One thing I'm desperate for is a quick-skip to the start of the Data Debate Log thing. I like to go through it at the end of the game but it takes so long to scroll back :p
Do you know if they've updated the game in Japan (both physical and digital)? There is no information on https://www.nintendo.co.jp/lang/.
If not, I guess there are 2 SKUs on the eShop. One in Japan and one overseas...
I'm so used to Nintendo games being available in all languages wherever you buy them...
Thanks for checking out.Sadly, It seems to be two different SKU (with different internal IDs).
AXATA for Japan and AXATB for Europe (and maybe US?).
Yeah, I can't say I'm enjoying this game. Like... at all (about 25-something loops in).
As someone who has played Avalon/Resistance for years in multiple groups, it's just no fun playing against a repetitive AI. You can't explain any type of logic deduction, you just... select the game options over and over and read the same comments over and over (and OVER and OVER)
Having to play multiple loops randomly trying to trigger events feels completely pointless.
I'd rather just be reading a visual novel with these characters. The core gameplay is just terrible.
I've never bounced off a game this strongly, which is so weird because every element of it sounds amazing to me. I'm legitimately confused how this could have gotten good reviews.
Is there seriously barely any new game mechanics after the first few hours beyond a few small skills and stat increases?
The ONLY thing you do is play the same game on repeat hoping to trigger random events for 20+ hours? What's even the point of winning an individual game?
I spent the last 30 minutes of my session just hammering through the dialogue I had already seen multiple times, just choosing random things, hoping to trigger events. Seems just as effective at moving the slow plot along as doing anything else.
I just don't get the point
While I have that concern myself, I am pretty much where you're at now - the story scenes have been well paced out for my experience, and I've been finding the core gameplay wildly addictive. I think I'm in the 70s, as well.Started yesterday and have 71 loops so far. It is incredibly addictive.
In general the story events are happening in a quite satisfying rhythm, although I'm worried that nearing the end they'll be really few and far between
Yeah, I can't say I'm enjoying this game. Like... at all (about 25-something loops in).
As someone who has played Avalon/Resistance for years in multiple groups, it's just no fun playing against a repetitive AI. You can't explain any type of logic deduction, you just... select the game options over and over and read the same comments over and over (and OVER and OVER)
Having to play multiple loops randomly trying to trigger events feels completely pointless.
I'd rather just be reading a visual novel with these characters. The core gameplay is just terrible.
I've never bounced off a game this strongly, which is so weird because every element of it sounds amazing to me. I'm legitimately confused how this could have gotten good reviews.
Is there seriously barely any new game mechanics after the first few hours beyond a few small skills and stat increases?
The ONLY thing you do is play the same game on repeat hoping to trigger random events for 20+ hours? What's even the point of winning an individual game?
I spent the last 30 minutes of my session just hammering through the dialogue I had already seen multiple times, just choosing random things, hoping to trigger events. Seems just as effective at moving the slow plot along as doing anything else.
I just don't get the point
As someone who's a big fan of social deduction games like Deception, Resistance, etc I understand the frustration of not being able to explain to the ai your 1,200 iq logic, but that's not the kind of game this is. The rpg levels and skills replace that element of a social deduction game, and knowing when to be quiet/cover/doubt/etc in Gnosia is the skill to learn.
Think about how in real social deduction games sometimes you've just lost the crowd and nobody trusts you despite your logic being 100% fool proof. I think this game does a great job of emulating that if you try to be too aggressive or passive during meetings.
I mean this is exactly what has happened to Raqio several times in my experience.Think about how in real social deduction games sometimes you've just lost the crowd and nobody trusts you despite your logic being 100% fool proof. I think this game does a great job of emulating that if you try to be too aggressive or passive during meetings.
I mean this is exactly what has happened to Raqio several times in my experience.
I played for almost 6 hours straight last night, the game is incredibly addicting and all the variations help it feel fresh through each run. Made it to the start of loop 50 before stopping. Only slight complaints are the times where round 1 discussions don't really throw suspicion anywhere and then the NPCs all come together to vote for a random person with no logic behind it (it's always wrong). It's also really funny when you get a day 1 round 1 gang up on you.
It's their stats on the Crew Data screen. In this example, Raqio has a really high logic stat, but lacks the charisma to convince others that they're right.So, maybe I'm missing something, but how can you even tell? Considering the AI only even says basic "suspect/defend" generic statements, it never has felt to me like someone is making any sort of logic deduction. To me, each round just feels like people going, "I trust X for no reason, I suspect X for no reason" etc. There's never a point where someone gets to explain their reasoning.
The day 1 round 1 blind vote is basically what happens in a lot of werewolf/mafia games.
I've just noticed how, in retrospect, the people Raqio accuse tend to be Gnosia, but they is never able to convince anyone that they is right and instead gets seen as accusing people blindly. Its a pattern I've seen occur multiple times across my 11 loops (Edit: I used they because I can't remember which pronouns Raqio uses now that I think about it).So, maybe I'm missing something, but how can you even tell? Considering the AI only even says basic "suspect/defend" generic statements, it never has felt to me like someone is making any sort of logic deduction. To me, each round just feels like people going, "I trust X for no reason, I suspect X for no reason" etc. There's never a point where someone gets to explain their reasoning.
It's their stats on the Crew Data screen. In this example, Raqio has a really high logic stat, but lacks the charisma to convince others that they're right.
I've just noticed how, in retrospect, the people Raqio accuse tend to be Gnosia, but they is never able to convince anyone that they is right and instead gets seen as accusing people blindly. Its a pattern I've seen occur multiple times across my 11 loops (Edit: I used they because I can't remember which pronouns Raqio uses now that I think about it).
Yeah, no, I get the game tells you "Raqio is a character with high logic", but what I mean is that there's nothing in gameplay that shows this beyond him potentially being more likely to accuse people correctly. But that doesn't mean anything if he's still right in situations where there hasn't been enough that has happened that game for him to logically deduce why he's correct.
I dunno, I guess there's not really any point in me posting. I really wanted to like the game, and I honestly want to try to understand how people are loving it so much, but for me, it's one of the worst games I've played recently. It's just weird to me how I can absolutely detest the game so much when people with similar interests in the same genre love it.
Yeah, there's multiple scenes like that with Raquio, they can get you multiple skills this way. Near the start of the game, whenever there's an event concerning Raqio, be sure to do it !I got a scene with Raqiowhere by correctly answering their riddle I got access to a skill that lets you push the advantage if someone is human or gnosia.
I swear Raqio has been put to cold sleep in like 80% of the games I played lol.It's their stats on the Crew Data screen. In this example, Raqio has a really high logic stat, but lacks the charisma to convince others that they're right.
Yuriko is a terrifying opponent. Even when not gnosia, it's really hard to not suspect her. And when she is gnosia, she goes in really hard.
Yep same lolWhenever I'm Gnosia I almost always try to remove her from the board
so is it possible to have like 999 loops and not have seen everything because of how you set up things?
I've definitely noticed the crew tends to have a bias against Raqio and Shigemichi and they're often put in cold sleep early.I swear Raqio has been put to cold sleep in like 80% of the games I played lol.
Weirdly enough, neither Shigemichi nor Sha-Ming have been Gnosia yet in any of my runs. I don't think Shigemichi has ever been an AC Follower, either.I've definitely noticed the crew tends to have a bias against Raqio and Shigemichi and they're often put in cold sleep early.
On a different note, I find the Guard Duty role to be... odd. It seems like in every loop I've done so far they're mostly just there to be sacrificial lambs for the Gnosia because it's too dangerous for the Gnosia to keep people around who can't have suspicion cast on them. I also had a loop where I was Guard Duty with Sha-Ming but Setsu killed him before the loop even started. Everyone dogpiled me in round one so I revealed my role and was voted out anyway despite it being a role you can't fake, I guess because Sha-Ming wasn't there to verify it.
I've definitely noticed the crew tends to have a bias against Raqio and Shigemichi and they're often put in cold sleep early.
On a different note, I find the Guard Duty role to be... odd. It seems like in every loop I've done so far they're mostly just there to be sacrificial lambs for the Gnosia because it's too dangerous for the Gnosia to keep people around who can't have suspicion cast on them.
Playing guard duty can be really powerful, because people can't doubt you. So you can talk, doubt, as much as you want. You are really powerful. But you need to understand asap who the suspectful persons are, and hope that gnosia want to kill someone else first, and that the guardian angel will protect you at night lmao.I've definitely noticed the crew tends to have a bias against Raqio and Shigemichi and they're often put in cold sleep early.
On a different note, I find the Guard Duty role to be... odd. It seems like in every loop I've done so far they're mostly just there to be sacrificial lambs for the Gnosia because it's too dangerous for the Gnosia to keep people around who can't have suspicion cast on them. I also had a loop where I was Guard Duty with Sha-Ming but Setsu killed him before the loop even started. Everyone dogpiled me in round one so I revealed my role and was voted out anyway despite it being a role you can't fake, I guess because Sha-Ming wasn't there to verify it.
I've had Shigemichi as an AC Follower and he's maybe the most evil person (or best if you are the Gnosia) for him to be it because his personality is already kinda there.Weirdly enough, neither Shigemichi nor Sha-Ming have been Gnosia yet in any of my runs. I don't think Shigemichi has ever been an AC Follower, either.
I've definitely noticed the crew tends to have a bias against Raqio and Shigemichi and they're often put in cold sleep early.
On a different note, I find the Guard Duty role to be... odd. It seems like in every loop I've done so far they're mostly just there to be sacrificial lambs for the Gnosia because it's too dangerous for the Gnosia to keep people around who can't have suspicion cast on them. I also had a loop where I was Guard Duty with Sha-Ming but Setsu killed him before the loop even started. Everyone dogpiled me in round one so I revealed my role and was voted out anyway despite it being a role you can't fake, I guess because Sha-Ming wasn't there to verify it.
Sorry, it wasn't really even an event so I didn't think about it, just a throw-away line at the start of the loop because Setsu hates him so much.Can we try and spoiler events? That one sounds interesting and now I'm wondering why it occurred.
The music in the game isn't in a real language right? It sounds similar in a way that Nier is with its Chaos language but I can't place an actual language to it.
So i detected that shigemichi here is lying, but after that, there's this icon of gnosia on stella whenever shigemichi is talking... What does it means, that's he's lying about stella being gnosia or that is lying prove stella is gnosia?
the game didn't tell anything about it (still in the tutorial)... I guess it means the former since he ended up being gnosia himself (couldn't confince the others so i died, lol)
So i detected that shigemichi here is lying, but after that, there's this icon of gnosia on stella whenever shigemichi is talking... What does it means, that's he's lying about stella being gnosia or that is lying prove stella is gnosia?
the game didn't tell anything about it (still in the tutorial)... I guess it means the former since he ended up being gnosia himself (couldn't confince the others so i died, lol)