Game of Thrones finale is rated 4.8/10 on IMDB after 70000+ votes; lower rated than finales for Lost and HIMYM, currently ahead of Dexter finale by .1
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Okay, I won't argue against that, because fans can be maniacs and indeed contribute to a culture of toxicity, and I think GOT it also suffering from that.
If it was badly produced, scripted, included horrible dialogue I would understand but this might just be the biggest fan overreaction I've yet seen.
All the characters in my opinion were taken well cared off without drifting far from fan expectations regarding character arcs.
It was never going to be a happy ending.
All the characters in my opinion were taken well cared off without drifting far from fan expectations regarding character arcs.
It was never going to be a happy ending.
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So what are you arguing exactly? Or have you forgotten what you were trying to argue?
How I would fix ep 6 for cheap:
The throne room sequence: Have it play as it did, but when Jon confronts Dany about how she will rule, show tears rolling down her cheeks when she says "They don't get to chose", to show that she has major inner conflict with what she did, but feels powerless, that she can't walk back and can't see any other way of doing it. Jon stabs her, but have Unsullied guards led by Grey Worm run into the room at the same time as Drogon arrives. They surround Jon, and we think Drogon will burn him but burns the place down and the throne, takes Dany's body, swats a few Unsullied getting too close with his tail, and then flies away. It conveys that Drogon felt Dany's inner conflict, and that he is pissed their damn conflicts led to her death, that they all failed her. This fixes the post-death problem the show had, because Grey Worm would "feel" that Dany felt she had made a mistake; Drogon's swatting of the Unsullied, not burning Jon, and burning the throne basically resets everything; no one is Dany's successor, no one served her, she is no one's queen, she was just Daenerys and Drogon's mother and everyone failed her. And don't tell me "this isn't obvious enough" or whatever, it would be obvious enough and far more than what we got.
King Bran: First of all, Sam isn't there. He will have his own scene. Tyrion is freed by Grey Worm on agreement from the lords (this is justified easily with the above). He gives a speech about the necessity of having a ruler they can agree on. Grey Worm and a Dothraki leader ask for ships and gold to go back to Essos, Sansa says the north should be independent, and everyone breaks into a loud argument. One of the lords pulls his sword out on the Dothraki and Bran literally say his "We don't have time for this." line, wargs into the lord and has him put his own sword his own throat. Everyone calms the fuck down, Bran releases the lord, who is confused but realizes what happened. Tyrion says it's time to rebuild, and Bran is elected king because they have no real choice but to do so. This is the Game of Thrones, you play or you lose, and Bran won by cheating, and there is nothing they can do about it, so get to work and fix broken Westeros. No, Sansa doesn't get the north to be independent, we understand it won't happen when everyone shuts the fuck up and Bran becomes king and it's never mentioned again. They are about as independent as they need to be any way.
Tyrion: Tyrion puts the chairs in place in the small council, he sits down, and then he waits. Show him being impatient, waiting, waiting, as the camera zooms away backward to the entrance with him dead center at his seat, as no one shows up. That's it, that's the last we see of Tyrion. It's comical, it shows he cares even after all that, while others don't or are late or whatever, but at the same time is a little sad because he puts so much effort into trying to do the right thing and where others don't. But it's a fitting end, it's true to his character, it doesn't diminish him nor elevates him too much. It speaks on its own. "Tyrion, you're a good man, thank you." said the audience, not a word said, for the final scene of the man who spoke so much.
Sam: He's at the Citadel, the old Maester writing the book he had said he was writing two seasons ago or so says he finished it, and Sam asks what the title is. He says "Archmaester Ebrose's history of the wars following the death of King Robert", of course. Sam is uneasy, and says, "How about, A Song of Ice and Fire?". "What? A Song? It's not a song, I'm a maester not a bard. And what is this about ice? Fire, I... understand, but ice?" and Sam, confused, asks "What about the Night King, isn't it in the book?" and the Maester is just confused and we realize that history won't be written quite as it was as the maester walks away. Sam goes back to his office, where Gilly is (so we understand he is allowed to live on with her, maybe she becomes the first female maester, whatever, no need to explain anything). Sam and Gilly have a little chat about how Sam feels which ends with Sam taking a quill and a piece of paper as he begins to write "A Song of Ice & Fire".
Bronn: Have him in a goddamn brothel again, a messenger arrives telling him the hand of the king, Tyrion Lannister, sent him a message. Surprised, thinking Tyrion was rotting in a cell (cause they don't have the internet to know everything at light-speed), Bronn is told that if it pleases him he will be given the lordship of High Garden, if he comes to King's Landing to receive his title. Bronn smirks. "And, the title of Master of Coin." Smirks disappears. He's puzzled. He's full of doubt. He has the messenger repeat it. "Give me... give me some time to think about it." Nope, you must come now or the hand will consider it as a refusal. Zoom in slowly on Bronn's conflicted face as the messenger starts to whistle the "Don't Stop Believin" song (ok, the Rains of Castamere then), and CUT TO BLACK! Did he get offed in a chariot? Did he really become lord? Is it all a ploy to eventually make him pay? We'll never know nor will Bronn. Bronn gets Tony Soprano's ending and it's totally fine and fun for his character.
Sansa: Arya and Sansa are the docks waiting for Jon. Arya tells Sansa that even if in the end she understands why she broke her promise to Jon, she acted against her brother, her family, for her own ends, because ARYA NOW SEES THROUGH THE BULLSHIT. "Are you going to stay with me at Winterfell?" Sansa asks. "Maybe. Maybe not... You'll never know for sure." And we understand that while Sansa won big in the end, she will have to watch her back forever.
Jon: He wasn't imprisoned. Jon walks past Grey Worm at the docks, they give each other a look, Grey Worm breaks first, boards his ship, and Jon walks on. Arya and Sansa are standing at the start of the dock leading to the ship Jon is going, while Bran is further down on it with Brienne next to him. Jon tells Arya he hopes they'll meet again, but we get no explicit confirmation, Arya and Jon hug each other as they have before, emotionally. Jon stands and looks to Sansa, doesn't hug her, but tells her that Winterfell is hers, that it's in good hands but at the same time showcase there is a bit of coldness between both. Jon walks on to board where Davos is waiting on the ship, Jon looks at Bran, but doesn't hug him. "I wish I had been there for you, for Robb, for Rickon... for your mother." But Bran tells him "You were exactly where you needed to be." Jon looks a bit puzzled, "Bran...". Bran corrects him: "Your Grace, not Bran... I'm not Bran anymore." Now Jon looks annoyed, realizing what he hoped wasn't true is. Jon turns and starts to board the ship, then midway across the plank he turns, looks to Bran, and says:
"I am the sword in the darkness. I am the shield that guards the realms of men, for this night and all the nights to come." This ties to what Tyrion had told him in the cell. Brienne has a slight look of doubt on her face but says nothing, and the scene ends as the ship leaves.
When Jon reaches the wall, they are removing the old gate and hacking at it with axes as he and a few men of the Watch leave on a "ranging". He meets up with Tormund and Ghost, hugs/smiles as the Freefolk welcome him and the men of the Night's Watch shake hands, some sitting next to a fire. The End.
The throne room sequence: Have it play as it did, but when Jon confronts Dany about how she will rule, show tears rolling down her cheeks when she says "They don't get to chose", to show that she has major inner conflict with what she did, but feels powerless, that she can't walk back and can't see any other way of doing it. Jon stabs her, but have Unsullied guards led by Grey Worm run into the room at the same time as Drogon arrives. They surround Jon, and we think Drogon will burn him but burns the place down and the throne, takes Dany's body, swats a few Unsullied getting too close with his tail, and then flies away. It conveys that Drogon felt Dany's inner conflict, and that he is pissed their damn conflicts led to her death, that they all failed her. This fixes the post-death problem the show had, because Grey Worm would "feel" that Dany felt she had made a mistake; Drogon's swatting of the Unsullied, not burning Jon, and burning the throne basically resets everything; no one is Dany's successor, no one served her, she is no one's queen, she was just Daenerys and Drogon's mother and everyone failed her. And don't tell me "this isn't obvious enough" or whatever, it would be obvious enough and far more than what we got.
King Bran: First of all, Sam isn't there. He will have his own scene. Tyrion is freed by Grey Worm on agreement from the lords (this is justified easily with the above). He gives a speech about the necessity of having a ruler they can agree on. Grey Worm and a Dothraki leader ask for ships and gold to go back to Essos, Sansa says the north should be independent, and everyone breaks into a loud argument. One of the lords pulls his sword out on the Dothraki and Bran literally say his "We don't have time for this." line, wargs into the lord and has him put his own sword his own throat. Everyone calms the fuck down, Bran releases the lord, who is confused but realizes what happened. Tyrion says it's time to rebuild, and Bran is elected king because they have no real choice but to do so. This is the Game of Thrones, you play or you lose, and Bran won by cheating, and there is nothing they can do about it, so get to work and fix broken Westeros. No, Sansa doesn't get the north to be independent, we understand it won't happen when everyone shuts the fuck up and Bran becomes king and it's never mentioned again. They are about as independent as they need to be any way.
Tyrion: Tyrion puts the chairs in place in the small council, he sits down, and then he waits. Show him being impatient, waiting, waiting, as the camera zooms away backward to the entrance with him dead center at his seat, as no one shows up. That's it, that's the last we see of Tyrion. It's comical, it shows he cares even after all that, while others don't or are late or whatever, but at the same time is a little sad because he puts so much effort into trying to do the right thing and where others don't. But it's a fitting end, it's true to his character, it doesn't diminish him nor elevates him too much. It speaks on its own. "Tyrion, you're a good man, thank you." said the audience, not a word said, for the final scene of the man who spoke so much.
Sam: He's at the Citadel, the old Maester writing the book he had said he was writing two seasons ago or so says he finished it, and Sam asks what the title is. He says "Archmaester Ebrose's history of the wars following the death of King Robert", of course. Sam is uneasy, and says, "How about, A Song of Ice and Fire?". "What? A Song? It's not a song, I'm a maester not a bard. And what is this about ice? Fire, I... understand, but ice?" and Sam, confused, asks "What about the Night King, isn't it in the book?" and the Maester is just confused and we realize that history won't be written quite as it was as the maester walks away. Sam goes back to his office, where Gilly is (so we understand he is allowed to live on with her, maybe she becomes the first female maester, whatever, no need to explain anything). Sam and Gilly have a little chat about how Sam feels which ends with Sam taking a quill and a piece of paper as he begins to write "A Song of Ice & Fire".
Bronn: Have him in a goddamn brothel again, a messenger arrives telling him the hand of the king, Tyrion Lannister, sent him a message. Surprised, thinking Tyrion was rotting in a cell (cause they don't have the internet to know everything at light-speed), Bronn is told that if it pleases him he will be given the lordship of High Garden, if he comes to King's Landing to receive his title. Bronn smirks. "And, the title of Master of Coin." Smirks disappears. He's puzzled. He's full of doubt. He has the messenger repeat it. "Give me... give me some time to think about it." Nope, you must come now or the hand will consider it as a refusal. Zoom in slowly on Bronn's conflicted face as the messenger starts to whistle the "Don't Stop Believin" song (ok, the Rains of Castamere then), and CUT TO BLACK! Did he get offed in a chariot? Did he really become lord? Is it all a ploy to eventually make him pay? We'll never know nor will Bronn. Bronn gets Tony Soprano's ending and it's totally fine and fun for his character.
Sansa: Arya and Sansa are the docks waiting for Jon. Arya tells Sansa that even if in the end she understands why she broke her promise to Jon, she acted against her brother, her family, for her own ends, because ARYA NOW SEES THROUGH THE BULLSHIT. "Are you going to stay with me at Winterfell?" Sansa asks. "Maybe. Maybe not... You'll never know for sure." And we understand that while Sansa won big in the end, she will have to watch her back forever.
Jon: He wasn't imprisoned. Jon walks past Grey Worm at the docks, they give each other a look, Grey Worm breaks first, boards his ship, and Jon walks on. Arya and Sansa are standing at the start of the dock leading to the ship Jon is going, while Bran is further down on it with Brienne next to him. Jon tells Arya he hopes they'll meet again, but we get no explicit confirmation, Arya and Jon hug each other as they have before, emotionally. Jon stands and looks to Sansa, doesn't hug her, but tells her that Winterfell is hers, that it's in good hands but at the same time showcase there is a bit of coldness between both. Jon walks on to board where Davos is waiting on the ship, Jon looks at Bran, but doesn't hug him. "I wish I had been there for you, for Robb, for Rickon... for your mother." But Bran tells him "You were exactly where you needed to be." Jon looks a bit puzzled, "Bran...". Bran corrects him: "Your Grace, not Bran... I'm not Bran anymore." Now Jon looks annoyed, realizing what he hoped wasn't true is. Jon turns and starts to board the ship, then midway across the plank he turns, looks to Bran, and says:
"I am the sword in the darkness. I am the shield that guards the realms of men, for this night and all the nights to come." This ties to what Tyrion had told him in the cell. Brienne has a slight look of doubt on her face but says nothing, and the scene ends as the ship leaves.
When Jon reaches the wall, they are removing the old gate and hacking at it with axes as he and a few men of the Watch leave on a "ranging". He meets up with Tormund and Ghost, hugs/smiles as the Freefolk welcome him and the men of the Night's Watch shake hands, some sitting next to a fire. The End.
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Yeah that's all I was trying to say. I know there are people that genuinely did not like the episode and that is perfectly fine, it's their opinion. But that has got mixed in with the stanning of characters and the bandwagon hate that happens on the internet.
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Yeah, and that's a shame, because it's the kind of thing that poisons any and all discourse around things so often (e.g., The Last Jedi is impossible to discuss without any of the substantial baggage associated with it at this point). GOT isn't that bad yet, but I can definitely see it getting there if the bandwagoning continues.
Err... I really don't think anybody who disliked this finale, this season, or the last several seasons is exactly in the minority on this forum.
Also, you embedded a tweet implying that Bran's actor did not like the ending, but in the actual article he says:
So, not exactly a case of the actor not liking the end...other than the lack of Bran's head exploding I guess.
It was a terrible way to end such a great show, it deserved better.
D&D clearly didn't care anymore and just wanted it to be over and feels like they gave up at the end, which is a damn shame after so many years of great TV.
D&D clearly didn't care anymore and just wanted it to be over and feels like they gave up at the end, which is a damn shame after so many years of great TV.
Oh yeah it was but I mean we knew where it was heading and who was alive in the moment, so I thought considering where we were the last 20 minutes was great. Me and my friends burst out laughing when Sam brought that book out, and I made a gagging noise because I couldn't believe it, but that's the kind of shit we were expecting in the finale considering how the season went. I enjoyed the banter round the table and the montage at the end. It was definitely much better than the bore-fest that was the first half of the episode.
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I know, I expected it to be called that or A Song of Ice and Fire >.>
was that the episode almost everyone i talked to couldn't see anything even with a calibrated display?
I guess a black screen with sound would be a pretty good episode this season for GoT
Why do people keep putting stake in these type of "reviews."
The finale was fine, and one of the better episodes of the last 2 seasons.
The finale was fine, and one of the better episodes of the last 2 seasons.
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Seriously, what? We fucking got a happy ending. It might as well have ended with a fist bump towards the sky fadeout with Jon. The Stans for the final season are going to be making TONS of sense
ah. the lead up episode.........yes..........that was a rather interesting episode. Seeing the brienne of tarth knighted was dope
I don't have ant issue with where everyone ended up, but this season was a sprint to the finish. It could have used another 4 episodes and then another entire season to get here.
That was a great shot and Sansa had a happy ending. Two good things so I felt comfy giving it a 2
LOST always had its characters. Its what I loved about the show to the very last second: The characters, their growth and their relationships to each other. The whole last season made that the focus. I couldn't care less why Tom had a Beard in that one scene or who exactly built a statue. I cared about the characters. And these characters stayed true to themselves and believable to the very end.
In that regard alone, LOST is leagues ahead of GoT's last season. LOST didn't have an amazing plot in its last season, but GoT? GoT had nothing. No plot to get invested in and no characters to attach yourselves to, since they all started acting like completely different people with weird (or even no) motivations and actions that undermined years and years of character development. I cried during the last episode of LOST because I thought that shit was beautiful as fuck and fully earned. I was burrying my head in my hands in frustration during GoT's last season constantly, frustrated at characters I previously loved and felt invested in.
It really is like Dexter.
In that regard alone, LOST is leagues ahead of GoT's last season. LOST didn't have an amazing plot in its last season, but GoT? GoT had nothing. No plot to get invested in and no characters to attach yourselves to, since they all started acting like completely different people with weird (or even no) motivations and actions that undermined years and years of character development. I cried during the last episode of LOST because I thought that shit was beautiful as fuck and fully earned. I was burrying my head in my hands in frustration during GoT's last season constantly, frustrated at characters I previously loved and felt invested in.
It really is like Dexter.
It's easier to write it off on "nerds" than to realize the shows been pretty terrible the last two seasons.
lol I think it's better, it's only slight edits, but at least puts Bran up as a potential threat as it was obviously intended but so poorly communicated, and doesn't shit the bed with Sansa's shenanigans, nor ruins Arya's whole plot. We don't get the dumb council scene, where Sam has no reason to be, yet still get the same information. We don't get the weird illogical bit about Grey Worm. Bronn isn't necessarily lord of HG or master of coin, he might be about to get offed which is a well deserved uncertain end for someone who kept raising the stakes through his loyalty to gold only. We don't have this illogical bit with Sam being maester without explaining that Gilly would still have to be with him (heck, it's still weird that he isn't lord of Horn Hill). We get a real justification for Bran being king; because the situation calls for it. Etc.
I mean, it's fine to think what I wrote is shit, but how did the writers come up with something so bad when so much of it is so easy to fix with no actual added cost? They could have easily done so much better.
Stan culture and toxic fandom is one of the worst things on the internet. I agree with this post.
Two things!
1.) As promised, I will admit I was mistaken about the Tyrion trial sequence being authentic. (I mean, he appeared before the group in chains, but not at all like Friki thought would occur, lol.)
2.) I'm sorry but I love the finale and I'm not huge on this!
It was literally a happy ending and it was bullshit.
- Jon kills Daenerys, gets to live, have total freedom,and is the new king beyond the wall.
- Bran does nothing this whole series and gets to be king
- Sansa, who is trash and betrays her family all series long, gets to be queen of the North.
- Arya gets to travel the world after everyone on her list is dead.
- The stark children gets to rule all of westeros.
- Tyrion fucks up all series long, betrays people, screws over his queen and even gets her killed. Is awarded as the hand of the king for the third time.
- Sam who deserves nothing and does nothing but manipulate people, gets awarded grand maester of westeros.
- Bronn gets high garden and a seat on the council. Becomes the richest man in westeros.
- Pod becomes a knight.
- Breanne gets a seat on the council.
- The north gets total Independence.
- The northmen receive no punishment for raping and killing innocent people.
lol, I was wrong about 99.99% of what I said would happen so no big deal:)
I thought it was a solid ending but not amazing. There is definitely some internet hyperbole going on with a large portion of the fan base. There is so much worse tv out there then the last season of GOT.
i guess people just really wanted to see Daenerys win. I don't think they are expressing anything about the quality of the show else they would've rated seasons 5-8 the same.
Yeah how dare fans complain about the show they love go downhill with illogical moments and sloppy production mistakes.
That's about what I would rate it. It was pretty terrible and I know people want to say there is an echo chamber on the internet in regards to GoT right now, but people at work were frustrated with the finale as well. It's all anyone is talking about and no one understands why Bran is King. Lol
Terrible writing, terrible pacing, no emotional weight to anything. It was amateur hour.
Terrible writing, terrible pacing, no emotional weight to anything. It was amateur hour.