I wish I didn't spoil myself. I really thought there was nothing to spoil. Oh well. The game seems to be fantastic.
This first installment hits most of the major story beats of the Midgar section. It's faithful in that regard, and I don't think they were trying to pull anything over anyone's head. Any subsequent sequel will likely be the same, but with altered scenes and sequences. I think the whole fate thing is to be able to not adhere too closely to any major events in the exact same way, and make them make sense because each game is like 50 hours+. Like they're going to rearrange and add things to get to the same points.
I'm going to assume we're reading too deeply into characters that are more narrative devices, than actually being some radically new storyline. It'll be new events and actions that still take us to mostly the same story beats.
This is what I think too, I assume the point of something like this is to give them leeway to adapt stuff from the original in a more realistic/subdued/easier way. And give themselves the option of making cuts or additions that make life easier for them.I'm going to assume we're reading too deeply into characters that are more narrative devices, than actually being some radically new storyline. It'll be new events and actions that still take us to mostly the same story beats.
FF VII fan: Your honor as you can clearly see the Honey Bee Inn in the original Final Fantasy VII was a Love Hotel, while in the so called remake you can clearly see that it is now a cabaret. I paid money expecting a remake of Final Fantasy VII and all I see is a remake of Baz Luhrmann's Moulin Rouge! except this time I do not feel like a virgin.
I'm all aboard this train with you, man! Before, I was interested to see how Square adapted the characters, story, and environments with a modern-day AAA budget, and they've definitely been knocking that out of the park. But now, I'm equally as intrigued to see WHAT happens next. This on-going saga now feels like an ode to the original FF7 and it's 20+ years of built up nostalgia, while also feeling new and fresh.On the plus side, prepare for a shit ton of FFVII goodness. Just forget the original, its there, its complete; you have played it and you know it like the back of your hand. Let yourself be surprised. If they were 100% true to the original, you would know they travel to kalm next, Cloud is going to lie about his past, then they go to Junon etc. You're waiting years for shit you exactly know how it progresses, like Cloud confessing. As an FFVII veteran I prefer the new take. Nothing is certain now.
The one issue I have with this then is that its not really FFVII Remake. Its more like a Rebirth.
"Not upset" *Calls them idiots and hacks*Not upset. Just illustrating the point that these idiots do not deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the kind of narrative they're peddling this time. We know how Nomura and Nojima handle plots like this and it never ends well.
Well to be fair, everything they've touched in a directing/writing capacity in the last 17 years has been crap.
Man, both have been attached to some great games over that period. I doubt 99% of folks have even touched Nojima's projects in that time anyway (which I'll admit typically are like, great halfway through before self-destructing (Last Ranker, Sol Trigger), but that's still stronger than most lol).Well to be fair, everything they've touched in a directing/writing capacity in the last 17 years has been crap.
nothing is modern about this version. where is the on disc dlc, where's the microtransactions? where's the free to play blitzball? where's the cloud in other people's IP?Read ANY interview with Yoshinori Kitase. You'll never see see him saying "Don't be precious about the original story, it might end up being a whole new thing". What he does say is that they planned to adapt the original story to the modern generation. That usually means expanding things, reworking things, meldong things together and such. None of it implies "starting the story in more or less the same way and ths COMPELTELY turning it around". That is false advertising. Not reading the rest of my point because you were on board immediately for the new concept is just ignoring the context, marketing campaign and messaging around this game's anmoumcement and release.
In short, you're righr, the game ISN'T bound to the original story and is free to do whatever stupid fanfic shit it wants.
But it can do it because the marketing LIED.
That doesn't really mean they're upset.
Sorry but are there any cool story spoiler free related impressions around? I don't mind game play spoilers, would be cool to hear some general impressions and stuff though, and the thread is looking mighty dangerous peeking through.
I mean, their resume the past 20 years has been sketchy and mostly disappointing to me. I don't think that's any big surprise.
I could see them very strongly foreshadowing Aerith surviving and keeping a bunch of other dead characters alive and then when everyone is expecting otherwise, they kill her off anyway.
It's not about nailing that scene! This isn't the original game yet you keep talking like it is.
This exists as a what if. Now you don't have to like it and can think it's pointless but this doesn't change the original game happening. In fact for people who were scared this would ruin the original by introducing new stuff this actually makes it so that the original is protected as its own thing and anything Remake does is exclusive to it.
No way, the characters are amazing this time around
Plus there is the benefit of no ULTIMATE FLAVOR EXPERIENCE or parts of the game cut out to fill a movie and an anime and beat em up and intentional holes for bunches of dlc
Like it not, it's still significantly much more cohesive than FFXV ever was in its original release.
No Jared either
TWEWY is peak kino, and I will always respect Nomura just for that, no matter how terrible this reimagination may turn out.I mean, their resume the past 20 years has been sketchy and mostly disappointing to me. I don't think that's any big surprise.
Uhhh?nothing is modern about this version. where is the on disc dlc
UHHHHH???
No you didn't. AC's story is ass. As is Crisis Core's story which is just an expanded version of things we already knew because they were shown in FFVII. The anime and novels aren't even canon lmao.And with the original VII you needed the AC movie (the epilogue to the story), Crisis Core (To get more plot on a pivito character of the story), Before Crisis (To understand why the Turks do what they do), and a bunch of anime and novels to understand some of the vague plot holes in the original game!
What things? Unless they do a complete 180 from the demo, the combat system is amazing.I haven't been keeping up since yesterday but as fun as speculating about what it all means is, I go back to my original reason to doubt the game, the combat system. I've read some worrying things about it, maybe I'm overthinking it....
Okay? Your post is arguing this game is presenting itself as a modern version of the original. It makes it very clear its not and that the original and this are two different things.
You bring up Aeriths death to the narrative for a game that is going in a different direction with the story. Her death is not important to the narrative in this case because this game is about defying the fate of the original. The original happened and she died. This isn't being retconned.
Even with all of that said, we have no clue where they are taking this. For all we know it's just switched where events take place and suddenly she dies at the end instead of the middle.
Masato Kato's last known credit is on Another Eden in 2017 I think :(What is he up to these days anyway? Monlithsoft should pick his ass up.
No you didn't. AC's story is ass. As is Crisis Core's story which is just an expanded version of things we already knew because they were shown in FFVII. The anime and novels aren't even canon lmao.
The ending of FFVII is not a cliffhanger, there was never supposed to be a sequel let alone a movie several years after the fact. It was supposed to be vague because that's the overall message, it raises a question.I like AC, but just because you think a story is bad doesn't mean it wasn't necessary. FFVII ends on a vague cliffhanger.
Crisis Core fills in a plot point that was desperately needed to be explained. Who is Zack and why is he important to VII. Zack is a pivotal character and in the OG game we knew next to nothing about him other than he was a Soldier 1st Class who defended Cloud.
Again, this is literally all explained in the game.It also explained the main villains motivation and why he is the way he is and why people used to see him as a hero.
That doesn't make them canon. There are multiple inconsistencies and Zack literally gets sniped in one of the anime.And the anime and novellas are absolutely canon. They were supervised by those at SE.
I would be ok with the changes if they were written by someone competent.
But letting the 3 biggest hacks at Square a have a crack at this will lead to disaster.
Nojima hasn't written anything good in 20 years while Nomura and Toriyama have never delivered a story that wasn't a convoluted mess.
Just because the VII team struggled with story consistancy between the games doesn't mean those novellas and anime aren't canon.
Knowing who Zack is absolutely pivotal because he's the most pivotal character in the plot.
Probably a guy who thinks Evangelion Rebuild is (rightly) trash
I've played all the games and experienced all the animes and movies.Just because the VII team struggled with story consistancy between the games doesn't mean those novellas and anime aren't canon.
Knowing who Zack is absolutely pivotal because he's the most pivotal character in the plot.
This is not a modern presentation of the story and this why I'm disregarding everything you wrote. This IS essentially a meta sequel where the characters original fates happened but they realize it in this universe. It's not the original game. It's not pretending to be the original game but putting it's own twist. This is a completely new universe and meant to be a brand new experience.
It's not really a standard sequel. It's more like Chrono Cross or Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria in that it starts out as something you assume it to be and then it is slowly revealed that it is much more than that.What the fuck is thIs? Two days ago everyone thought it was a remake, not a fucking sequel. Even now people who have no clue about the spoilers just think this is a remake. Its false marketing. Nobody wanted this, and this should be in all marketing material and let people know before spending their money.
People were expecting a remake of the Midgar portion with a bunch of additions and changes to make the climax more exciting for its own game.What the fuck is thIs? Two days ago everyone thought it was a remake, not a fucking sequel. Even now people who have no clue about the spoilers just think this is a remake. Its false marketing. Nobody wanted this, and this should be in all marketing material and let people know before spending their money.
Compilation stuff is trash but if the only thing they take from it is the ending of Crisis Core, I can accept it to a certain degree.I waa about to post how unnecessary AC and Crisis Core were, but Crossing Eden has me covered I see.
No he's not, Cloud is. Zack only plays a role in Cloud's backstory but everything we needed to know about him is shown to us through not just the flashback but Cloud's mannerisms. Zack was a late addition to the story and it shows, he's not the most pivotal character. And yea, when you have literally different ways a character dies you can dismiss that as not overall canon.Just because the VII team struggled with story consistancy between the games doesn't mean those novellas and anime aren't canon.
Knowing who Zack is absolutely pivotal because he's the most pivotal character in the plot.
☝ ☝ ☝I honestly find the idea that they should spoil the game's biggest twist in marketing a little insane. Hating the twist is fine, but this is nonsense.
Imagine if people got upset that Bloodborne is actually Cosmic Horror instead of Gothic Horror because they marketed it as "Dark Souls with guns and werewolves" to keep things a surprise.
There's no expectations that the entire story should be marketed as to not mislead anyone. A game isn't just its story, all of the content they've shown and demoed are still in the game, there was no false marketing.
What the fuck is thIs? Two days ago everyone thought it was a remake, not a fucking sequel. Even now people who have no clue about the spoilers just think this is a remake. Its false marketing. Nobody wanted this, and this should be in all marketing material and let people know before spending their money.
No he's not, Cloud is. Zack only plays a role in Cloud's backstory but everything we needed to know about him is shown to us through not just the flashback but Cloud's mannerisms. Zack was a late addition to the story and it shows, he's not the most pivotal character. And yea, when you have literally different ways a character dies you can dismiss that as not overall canon.
Basically yea.You mean until they made him the Forest Gump of FF7, where he had some hand in every single event/choice that led to the main game, right?
Admittedly I only skimmed over the spoilers so that I can see them in the final game. I only know some speculation and that people are freaking out from what seems to be a direct acknowledgement that this is not the original.I couldn't resist, I read all the spoilers lol. I'm much more optimistic about Remake now. Now that it's not going to be like 'we need an entire game to tell the part of the story where the party travels from Kalm to Nibelheim, then an entire game for when they get the Highwind etc'. Sounds like a much more liberated re-imagining.
But damn people are going to actually be in tears over this. It's like the Phantom Pain twist but what if you had people waiting 15 years for it or something like that
Oh they want that sweet first week money.What the fuck is thIs? Two days ago everyone thought it was a remake, not a fucking sequel. Even now people who have no clue about the spoilers just think this is a remake. Its false marketing. Nobody wanted this, and this should be in all marketing material and let people know before spending their money.
AC's story is ass. As is Crisis Core's story which is just an expanded version of things we already knew because they were shown in FFVII.