Mariachi507

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Some quick thoughts on some recent viewings.

- I, Tonya - Margot Robbie puts in some work to play a person that I've always been somewhat sympathetic towards. That being said, my feels about Tonya Harding have no bearing on the quality of the film itself, which is why I'm quite relieved to say that it's good regardless of these thoughts. The Goodfellas style approach was a smart approach to go for as it helped to add a coat of black comedy to scenes that would be rather dark without it and the narration given. The movie isn't flashy or anything, but the skate scenes are very nicely directed. I'm the type of person that usually doesn't give much thought to biopics due to the subjects not being allowed to be shown in a negative light, and I also believe that there is typically a glass ceiling on the quality for the more conventional entries into the genre. While I, Tonya can't escape those genre conventions completely, it's more honest than most. It appropriately shows her fuckups while also giving her props for her achievements.

8/10 "Good"

- Wind River -
I feel like it was a bit on the nose with it's themes and also felt conventional for most of its runtime, especially in regard to certain characters. I also wish that Sheridan had gone a bit further with the Cowboy/Indian concept and pushed it to the forefront of the picture. The story itself is alright, but I believe the biggest obstacle this film had to overcome was Sheridan pulling double duty as writer/director. He's had an incredible past few years as a writer (Sicario, Hell or High Water) and like many of his peers he has attempted to raise his stock by becoming a director of his own works. The problem is that, judging by this movie, he's nothing special as a director. I've seen what can happen when his words are channeled through other filmmaker's visions and the results have been completely successful so far. With pulling double duty, he may have spread himself a bit thin and the script suffered as a result. This basically sums up my biggest disappointment with the picture, if the script was polished and given more care while also being handed off to an established director we could have had something special. Instead, we're left with just another crime/thriller.

6/10 "Passable"

- Iron Man (Road to Infinity War Rewatch) -
I rewatch a lot of movies. Usually this is because I let my new viewings stew in my brain a bit before jumping onto the next, so popping in something I've already seen acts as a palate cleanser. With Infinity War approaching I figured I jumping in and rewatching the MCU will serve this role quite nicely. My main takeaway from Iron Man is that Marvel owes all of their success to Robert Downey Jr. He IS the reason that this film is a success and with a lesser actor I'm not sure if this franchise would have ever taken off. The best moments are whenever the focus is on him (his homelife, building suits, conversing with Pepper) and whenever that focus is elsewhere the movie suffers for it. Jeff Bridges is trying here as the villain, but there's not a whole to work with aside from one memorable line about a box of scraps. It's also interesting that one of the MCU's biggest problems was already apparent with their first outing which is the third act being a letdown. The villain is basically a clone of the hero, which is a decent trope to use to symbolize a hero at odd's with himself, but Marvel definitely goes to this well way too much. The robot battle at the end did nothing for me. There were no stakes and I just sat there thinking how I'd rather be watching Robocop face off against Kane again. Still, Downey Jr. gives enough to make up for these faults and there is entertainment to be had.

7/10 "Decent"
 

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HOLY SHIT... what did I just watch.
My girlfriend has never seen this yet and we are snowed in so I think this might be the perfect film to watch tonight. It's been a while since I've seen it anyway.
 

luca

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So first, I go to IMDB.com to look up Daniel Day-Lewis and see There Will Be Blood was my third movie with him, having seen Gandhi from 1982 (he plays Colin, can't be a large role?) and Nine (2009) before it; a movie I don't remember much of and one I saw entirely because of Penelope Cruz during some of my younger, more casual movie watching days. Looking at Gandhi, I discover that Ben Kingsley played the titular character which is now shocking for me because I see fake Mandarin from Iron Man 3 all over his face these days. The Ghandi I grew up with in tv is a knock-off Iron Man villain.

Anyway, so I move on to look up Paul W S Anderson, because I've just seen There Will Be Blood, and I wanted to look up what can only be a very respectable filmography. And I see titles like Resident Evil, Pompeii, Alien Vs Predator and Mortal Kombat. I'm once again shocked out of my pants. Until I realized the horrible mistake, that I was of course trying to look up Paul Thomas Anderson in which There Will Be Blood was my first go around with a PTA flick.

Fun fact: I have been wanting to watch Inherent Vice for a good four years now. Last night I secretly started it up, but in shame I quit after a mere twenty minutes. I don't blame the movie, how can I blame it for anything for only having seen a little piece of it, but I am of the impression it's a movie that will "drag" or really take its time bringing me through scenes, and I need to be in a fitting mood for such an endeavor.

Now actually going through his filmography, the ones that are catching my eyes are Boogie Nights (oh shit, Mark Wahlberg is in this!?) for being about growing up in the porn industry and Magnolia for starring Tom Cruise and it being about searching for love and forgiveness sounds like an innocent and relaxing three hours.
 

Mariachi507

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So first, I go to IMDB.com to look up Daniel Day-Lewis and see There Will Be Blood was my third movie with him, having seen Gandhi from 1982 (he plays Colin, can't be a large role?) and Nine (2009) before it; a movie I don't remember much of and one I saw entirely because of Penelope Cruz during some of my younger, more casual movie watching days. Looking at Gandhi, I discover that Ben Kingsley played the titular character which is now shocking for me because I see fake Mandarin from Iron Man 3 all over his face these days. The Ghandi I grew up with in tv is a knock-off Iron Man villain.

Anyway, so I move on to look up Paul W S Anderson, because I've just seen There Will Be Blood, and I wanted to look up what can only be a very respectable filmography. And I see titles like Resident Evil, Pompeii, Alien Vs Predator and Mortal Kombat. I'm once again shocked out of my pants. Until I realized the horrible mistake, that I was of course trying to look up Paul Thomas Anderson in which There Will Be Blood was my first go around with a PTA flick.

Fun fact: I have been wanting to watch Inherent Vice for a good four years now. Last night I secretly started it up, but in shame I quit after a mere twenty minutes. I don't blame the movie, how can I blame it for anything for only having seen a little piece of it, but I am of the impression it's a movie that will "drag" or really take its time bringing me through scenes, and I need to be in a fitting mood for such an endeavor.

Now actually going through his filmography, the ones that are catching my eyes are Boogie Nights (oh shit, Mark Wahlberg is in this!?) for being about growing up in the porn industry and Magnolia for starring Tom Cruise and it being about searching for love and forgiveness sounds like an innocent and relaxing three hours.

Boogie Nights is incredible and Magnolia is pretty damn good as well. There's definitely a big difference between PTA and PWSA.
 

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I just looked at Paul WS's filmography. Dude loves video game movies. He probably posts on era.
A monster hunter movie coming out? I can dig it
 

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I've made the decidion to boycott Phantom Thread, after it was revealed today on social media platform Twitter that Paul Thomas Anderson considers The Life of Pablo to be Kanye West's best album
This actually makes a lot of sense. TLOP sounds like a snapshot of an artist spiraling out of control while desperately trying keep it together. That kind of psychological profile is right up PTA's alley.
 

luca

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it is very good. it is not innocent and relaxing. not even close.

It's not relaxing at all. I'm always surprised how PTA maintained the high emotional energy for 3 straight hours. My fav next to BN.
Interesting. Now I'm imagining some kind of romance unfolding with high adrenaline emotions and starring two characters with passion for each other. Anyway, I will probably put on Magnolia or Boogie Nights tomorrow depending which one I'm in the mood for.

Right now though, I'm gonna finish my Insidious watch with Insidious: Chapter Three which seems not to be directed by James Wan, and feature a new cast.
 

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Magnolia might be my favorite movie ever. I like everything about it.
Hard Eight and Boogie Nights are really great too.
I wanna see pt do a videogame movie tho. Give him a Rockstar game
 

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I'm gonna quickly go through the Kanye posts ITT

I'm going to see it tonight with my girlfriend who generally dislikes PTA and also thinks TLOP is #1 (which is a truly insane opinion it's a mediocre album at best). So a lot of clashing opinions going on here.

Has your girlfriend seen all of PTA's films? Because if she hasn't, then this opinion will surely change

I made the decision to boycott you after reading this

Why you gotta do me like this, Disco

Graduation is better than Yeezus fight me don't @ me

You will catch heat for this, but this is a reasonable opinion

I don't want to derail this thread, but Graduation is by far the worst Kanye album. I still like it, and it has some gems, but yeah, doesn't sniff anywhere but the bottom.

It's got two or three top 10 Kanye songs in I Wonder and Flashing Lights, but then it has shit like Drunk and Hot Girls and Barry Bonds. So, yes, it's inconsistent, but so is TLOP (which is even worse in this regard)

every album he has made is amazing dont @ me

That short film he made was decent too #ontopic

Runaway and Cruel Summer both turned out better than I thought they would

Nah Graduation is Uwe Boll tier

Not even gonna bother with this

Graduation is super polished pop-rap full of fun, breezy, undeniably catchy party songs that cannily blend samples and techno inspired beats, and Kanye's egomania was still charming and not at the self parodic points it is now.

It's not a great album but it ain't Uwe Boll levels. It's a solid summer crowd pleaser, not good headphones material though.

I wouldn't call any of Kanye's albums masterpieces, though, as much as I like some of them.

This is pretty accurate, although I do consider Yeezus, MBDTF, and The College Dropout to be legitimate masterpieces, and are all some of my favourite albums of all time

Anyways, back to movies:

I saw Baraka in 4K and it was mesmerizing and beautiful. I probably prefer Koyaanisqatsi when it comes to this kind of film, but that doesn't take away from how good this was
 

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I wanna see PT Anderson make a movie about Baraka from MK. Put WS Anderson's MK movie to shame
 

Icolin

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I wanna see PT Anderson make a movie about Baraka from MK. Put WS Anderson's MK movie to shame

Mortal Kombat is objectively the best videogame movie of all-time, and will almost certainly be better than the Uncharted or TLOU movies that may or may not (probably the latter) come out, which is depressing because Uncharted and TLOU are awesome
 

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Mortal Kombat is objectively the best videogame movie of all-time, and will almost certainly be better than the Uncharted or TLOU movies that may or may not (probably the latter) come out, which is depressing because Uncharted and TLOU are awesome
I think it's the only video game movie I ever watched front to back. But i was young and though mk was awesome. And it kind of is awesome. I really like the deep lore that you get to see in games like Deception

But anyway, it gave us this GIF so it's ok
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ThatWasAJoke

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Magnolia second's half is whack - the plot is thin, some ridiculous moments that we all know and an incredibly cringy Aimee Mann song scene. At least Boogie Nights kills all the way through. Punch-Drunk Love is super underrated - the way it uses small discomforting narrative threads such as the pudding to present the chaotic outlook within Barry's Mind is genius.

On Kanye let's go
College Dropout: Fantastic - his best album
LR: Strong beginning and end but weak middle and too much filler - pretty good
GR: 2-4 good tracks rest shit - ok
MBDTF: Extremely good except for some tracks on the end which don't hold up, 2nd Best
Yeezus: Trash
TLOP: Potential to be a great album - some good tracks, some tracks having good parts - but a lot of problems. Mid-tier
 
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I need to give Magnolia another shot. It's the only PTA I've walked away from thinking "That was pretty good" instead of being in love. I remember digging the Altman vibes, but wanting his roaming camera, which I feel added so much to his big ensemble pieces. It really lets you get into the minds of not only the characters, but the environment itself.
 

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Magnolia is intense.

Tom Cruise's character brings that intensity in spades


Magnolia second's half is whack - the plot is thin, some ridiculous moments that we all know and an incredibly cringy Aimee Mann song scene. At least Boogie Nights kills all the way through. Punch-Drunk Love is super underrated - the way it uses small discomforting narrative threads such as the pudding to present the chaotic outlook within Barry's Mind is genius.

I think Magnolia is great but Short Cuts is x1000000 times better
 

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Magnolia second's half is whack - the plot is thin, some ridiculous moments that we all know and an incredibly cringy Aimee Mann song scene. At least Boogie Nights kills all the way through. Punch-Drunk Love is super underrated - the way it uses small discomforting narrative threads such as the pudding to present the chaotic outlook within Barry's Mind is genius.

On Kanye let's go
College Dropout: Fantastic - his best album
LR: Strong beginning and end but weak middle and too much filler - pretty good
GR: 2-4 good tracks rest shit - ok
MBDTF: Extremely good except for some tracks on the end which don't hold up, 2nd Best
Yeezus: Trash
TLOP: Potential to be a great album - some good tracks, some tracks having good parts - but a lot of problems. Mid-tier

If you didn't like the Aimme Mann scene you don't like the movie. The whole movie is based on Mann's songs. It's what inspired PTA to write Magnolia.
 

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Interesting. Now I'm imagining some kind of romance unfolding with high adrenaline emotions and starring two characters with passion for each other.

No, it's not that either. Ebert said it best in his review.

"Magnolia" is operatic in its ambition, a great, joyous leap into melodrama and coincidence, with ragged emotions, crimes and punishments, deathbed scenes, romantic dreams, generational turmoil and celestial intervention, all scored to insistent music.

In a nutshell.
 

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Boogie Nights, There Will be Blood and Punch Drunk Love are his best movies

Magnolia, Inherent Vice and Master being his bottom 3. But all of his movies have been worth checking out so far imo (Yeah, including Inherent Vice).

Defo liked Altmans Short Cuts more than Magnolia, and inherent vice gets a bad rap for how incomprehensible the story presents itself but I really enjoyed just vibing with that one

Also 808s and Yeezus are the best Ye albums. Late Registration and MBDTF are his best rap-oriented projects tho
 

ThatWasAJoke

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No, it's not that either. Ebert said it best in his review.

"Magnolia" is operatic in its ambition, a great, joyous leap into melodrama and coincidence, with ragged emotions, crimes and punishments, deathbed scenes, romantic dreams, generational turmoil and celestial intervention, all scored to insistent music.

In a nutshell.
Roger Ebert thought Crash was the best movie of 2005 so...
 

THEVOID

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Boogie Nights, There Will be Blood and Punch Drunk Love are his best movies

Magnolia, Inherent Vice and Master being his bottom 3. But all of his movies have been worth checking out so far imo (Yeah, including Inherent Vice).

Defo liked Altmans Short Cuts more than Magnolia, and inherent vice gets a bad rap for how incomprehensible the story presents itself but I really enjoyed just vibing with that one

Also 808s and Yeezus are the best Ye albums. Late Registration and MBDTF are his best rap-oriented projects tho

In all honesty I haven't loved a PTA movie since punch drunk love. I've liked and respected the others since PDL, but nothing moved me. His peak for me was BN, Magnolia, and PDL. *Shrugs*
 

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Fucking list Wars.

1) There Will Be Blood
2) Boogie Nights
3) The Master
4) Punch Drunk Love
5) Magnolia
6) Inherent Vice

Top 4 are classics for me.
 

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In all honesty I haven't loved a PTA movie since punch drunk love. I've liked and respected the others since PDL, but nothing moved me. His peak for me was BN, Magnolia, and PDL. *Shrugs*
I'm in the same boat. Well, I didn't love PDL. But the movies since TWBB are incredible pieces; there's so much to appreciate... But I like his first few way more
 
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If we're doing PTA rankings, I'm in.

1. PDL
2. There Will Be Blood
3. Phantom Thread
4. Boogie Nights
5. Magnolia
6. The Master
7. Inherent Vice
8. Hard Eight
9. Junun
 
War of the Worlds (2005): I saw this when it came out in theatres, which was, yikes, over 12 years ago. How the time flies by. There is some truly amazing camerawork here, particularly in the first freeway driving sequence, where Spielberg nimbly zooms in and out of the cab of the vehicle to follow a particular conversation between Tom Cruise and his kids. He makes it look so easy. The film on the whole is good, but it's kept out of Spielberg's top tier by two things: first, it's adapting a story that, by design, didn't really have a climax, and that doesn't translate especially well to the screen; and second, the ending, which is a failure of execution. In the years since I first saw the film I read H.G. Wells' original, and I now understand what Spielberg was going for there with
the son's reappearance
, but the difference in circumstances between that and the narrator of the novel discovering his wife is still alive is quite considerable.

This is an interesting film to revisit in light of the revelations in HBO's recent Spielberg documentary about the real circumstances of his parents' breakup, as you can definitely argue (if Spielberg knew about it by this point). Compared to his previous takes on dads, while Cruise's character is clearly distant from his children, his son generally comes across as an irritating little shit who treats his father with undeserved hostility.
 

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I'm in the same boat. Well, I didn't love PDL. But the movies since TWBB are incredible pieces; there's so much to appreciate... But I like his first few way more

Same. I feel like PTA shot for the fences in BN and Magnolia and they had such a emotional energy about them. A lessor extent for PDL and the rest just left me cold.
 

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Midnight Club (2021)
Magnolia
Boogie Nights
Hard Eight
There Will Be Blood
Phantom Thread
The Master
Punch Drunk Love

Still haven't got around to Inherent Vice
 

janusff

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I was so excited to get BR2046 in the mail cause I had never seen it. Open up the package and the case was damaged. Badly. I said ah fuck it if the disc is fine I'll keep it anyway. An hour into the movie, I'm REALLY loving what I'm seeing, then all of a sudden, it starts to freeze and fuck up. So now I got to wait for a replacement copy, cause yeah, I'm def returning it now.

Such a bummer. I hate to have to wait to watch the second half like that. Days later.
 

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There Will Be Blood
Phantom Thread
The Master
Boogie Nights
Inherent Vice
Punch Drunk Love
Magnolia
Hard Eight

Love the kinetic energy and ensemble performances that shape his earlier work, but the detached, cerebral and dreamlike approach from PDL onward is more haunting initially and deeply satisfying over time. Phantom Thread has been on the brain for weeks, keeps rising.
 

lordxar

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Mothra vs Godzilla
This was made in the 60's so apparently every country lost its mind to the free drugs of the era. I mean there is a set of twins that are like six inches tall and they come from an island that worships a giant moth. Now this is a giant monster movie so reality checked out early but they were such weird characters to include. On top of that, the other islanders are all normal sized where I genuinely expected them to all be little pixie characters too.

Anyway, Mothra vs Godzilla is an amazing entry into this series! The story isn't anything special but to see a couple heavy weights go around and around, this was well worth the watch. We start with a giant tsunami that washes up a Mothra egg and like anyone with money would do, a greedy corporate type snaps up the egg from the locals and decides to make an amusement park out of it with hopes it hatches and brings in lots of onlookers.

That plan seems to be going along ok until Godzilla pops up out of the beach on the other side of town and begins trashing the town. What follows is an amazing display of craft in modelling because there are power plant parts, army vehicles, and various other buildings that were all miniaturized for the guy in the rubber suit to destroy and it is glorious! There was some obvious repetition in the footage, but that's ok for the time.

Eventually Godzilla gets herded over to where the egg is and starts to smash things up there. Fortunately, Mothra comes along to save the egg and the day. Except Mothra is at the end of its life and the egg is the continuation of it's life. So Mothra fights a good fight but ultimately succumbs to age.

Godzilla then heads off to a nearby island as the egg hatches and a pair of larva pop out to go finish the fight. Now I won't ruin any more of this but you have to see the ending because this culminates into something else that Japanese culture is known for that is, how you say, not family friendly.

That final battle is pretty good though. I thought how are these two little larva going to take out Godzilla, but take them out they do, and Godzilla doesn't go down without a fight either. His breath gets used extensively. Eventually things settle off and our pixie people ride off into the sunset with a comment about living in peace.

By this point in the series the message is loud and clear. Godzilla is really an anti nuke message wrapped up in a rubber suit. The metaphors about atomic destruction only being fought by other atomic destruction are thundering in beneath the feet and wings of the monsters in this movie. People are portrayed as powerless to stopping the decimation that the big guy causes. They can petition another, similarly powerful being to save the day though. So while things may seem bleak, there is a message that even the most feared and powerful force that Japan has faced can be conquered.

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Last time I watched Magnolia was actually kind of exhausting because of it
In Magnolia I like the juxtaposition of a cokehead trying to hide her addiction from this dumb timid cop who's in love with her for no reason.
But in Boogie Nights everyone just does a lot of coke because they do a lot of coke
 

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PTA
TWBB
BG
PDL
Magnolia
Master
Inherent Vice

Ok I admit 2005 was a terrible year for film - but it still had Brokeback Mountain and a few good foreign films.

In Magnolia I like the juxtaposition of a cokehead trying to hide her addiction from this dumb timid cop who's in love with her for no reason.
But in Boogie Nights everyone just does a lot of coke because they do a lot of coke
I kinda feel all the female characters in Magnolia are super one note - JM in constant hysteria, the cokehead just doing coke and looking perpetually perplexed. Amber Waves and Rollergirl were more nuanced and fun.
 
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Bro how can you listen to 808s and not be moved. I waver on it, but sometimes I think it's his best. Street Lights kills me.

And PTA rankings by people who haven't seen Phantom Thread are moot, because it's his best one.
 

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808s is catchy but its way beneath his first three and dark twisted fantasy.

And yeah the female characters in magnolia are one note, but I think that's alright in a movie that has 9 B stories focusing on 9 different characters