After Zelda it's Dr. Mario, who was an unlockable character in Melee. And it continues with Melee's unlockables until we get into Brawl's starting roster (until we get to Sonic, who was also unlockable).
Feels weird that in Smash Bros, there hasn't been a new Zelda rep since Melee
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After Zelda it's Dr. Mario, who was an unlockable character in Melee. And it continues with Melee's unlockables until we get into Brawl's starting roster (until we get to Sonic, who was also unlockable).
Majoras mask
Hyrule warriors
Phantom hour glass
3 scored for generic goron
Generic goron playable in more games then generic phirana plant
Zora are sometimes evil in 2d games
So mipha has
Spears
Generic zora ability
And represents a generic evil race
And generic good race
So pike a yoshi and phirana plant combined (only 1 yoshi did tax fraud, rest are good)
she hasn't been seen in an actual Zelda game for over a decade and I sure don't see her getting a K. Rool-level fan push
Whenever I see people talk about a Zelda newcomer it's usually about "Zelda should get another character because it's big," and less "here's why THIS specific character should be in Smash." Characters like K. Rool and Ridley got big in part because of their connection to their popular and iconic Nintendo series, but also just because they were such beloved and recognizable characters appearing across multiple titles that fit the mantra of a "Nintendo all-star" game. They were significant, memorable, and brought unique things to Smash. Ganon is really the only Zelda character left in that category and Zelda fans don't seem to want another Triforce character.
People didn't stop arguing for another Metroid character because of Zero Suit Samus. They still argued for Ridley.
People didn't stop arguing for another Metroid character because of Zero Suit Samus. They still argued for Ridley.
They can keep everyone else, give me Marin.
Have her smack people with a giant bell like Hyrule Warriors, lol.
Have her smack people with a giant bell like Hyrule Warriors, lol.
Hmm... yeah. It could be reveal order, actually; I forgot we got a glimpse of IC in the trailer before they showcased everyone. It doesn't really explain why they treated Zelda as a secret character, but neither would her being added late. Maybe they actually cared about OoT spoilers still?
I'm pretty sure I made up the interview at this point btw. There's multiple other forum posts questioning why Sheik is numbered first and no one mentions any such official confirmation.
If we go by who's more iconic then the only Zelda characters that should make it in are Link and Zelda. The entire roster would be 30% Mario, 30% Pokémon, and the other 40% just one offs from every other Nintendo franchise in existence. And at that point we would get more third parties than Nintendo stuff, something which you have been very against of in the other thread.
What's entitled about acknowledgining that Nintendo's 3rd best-selling franchise, according to that other thread making the rounds today, has had very little to make fans excited about in terms of Smash Bros.? If the fans should be happy with just getting new stages or costumes is irrelevant to me, I am just describing why people feel miffed about how Zelda has turned out in these past three iterations. I rather not make judgments on how should a fandom feel or not feel because that way subjectivity lies. We are gonna run in circles if the only thing we can discuss is who deserves what or who deserves nothing.
Exactly. This complaint just feels like people wanting to check an arbitrary box.
And there's part of the SNES/64/GC Nintendo fanbase that is always extremely salty at Fire Emblem or "new"/"niche" Nintendo stuff and feels a sense of entitlement over some of their childhood franchises.
Who are these fans? I love Zelda. Ocarina of Time is my favorite game ever. Six characters represent it perfectly, even more with the stages it has.
A character is picked for Smash for several reasons. Being iconic, a main character in their own series, relevance to Nintendo, fun moveset.
Zelda simply doesn't have many characters that fit these boxes and the devs likely don't push anyone to Sakurai. If they did, I'm sure he would add them. But they clearly have no interest in this. You don't see Midna or Fi popping up in BOTW or ALBW.
You know, I love the changes of the Zelda cast. While none so far are "new" characters, there are representation for a wider range of Zelda games.
Link: Champion Link, longer master sword, no hookshot, new bomb mechanic, shoots beams at perfect health, right handed.
Young Link: Hero of Time, almost as tall as the main Link(?), sort of replaces the original Link since the main Link is notably different.
Toon Link: Hero of Winds/Hero of Trains(?). Has been refined to have a better mix of angry and happy expressions, so he looks cooler. He is older than young Link ans has the Master sword and Hylia Shield unlike young Link, but shorter and has too cartoon proportions. It will be interesting to analyze other differences between young Link and toon Link.
Zelda: Link to the Past version. Completely different person. All of her major moves has been significantly reworked.
Ganondoft: Back to the younger OoT appearance. All smash attacks uses his sword!!
Shiek: Uses BOTW armor.. so is she BOTW Zelda? Is it even still Zelda? The voice is deeper too.
To be fair, that spoiler box definitely applies to me as a DK fan during Smash 4... but I got K. Rool so whatevs, lol.
I can't believe Midna+Wolf Link never made it in
Ghirahim would be cool too but he is lost to the graveyard that is Assist Trophies
Ghirahim would be cool too but he is lost to the graveyard that is Assist Trophies
To be fair, K. Rool was a pretty big character for his franchise and was clearly missing from Smash. I don't feel like this over any Zelda character, even though I would enjoy a few of them (Tingle, Impa, Vaati).
I'm not against Zelda characters, but the franchise isn't being shafted or hated by Sakurai with all the stuff it has and how some other franchises can't even get one fighter (Rhythm Heaven).
Impa is a terrible pick y'all. Most Impas aren't fighters and the ones that are Sheik echoes at best.
Skull kid is also terrible. He literally just stands around being creepy.
Any of the champions from BoTW could work, but the only one that should be picked is Urbosa.
The man has zelda series, hyrule warriors, balloon fight, and 2 of his own games!
It'd be so fucking easy to make him a moveset
I could do without Linkle. I need Urbosa in the game at some point game followed by Impa. Specifically Impa modeled after the versions in Hyrule Warriors and Skyward Sword. Kick out Sheik.
Sakurai could have any reason for not wanting more Zelda characters, I get that. But people shouldn't be surprised when that gets Zelda fans in an uproar, because there's a huge segment of Smash audience whose wants are not being aligned with the developers'.
Also, yes, those fans exist. Nearly all Zelda discussion I've seen regarding Smash Bros. has been people lamenting Ganondorf is not more differentiated, that three of the characters are Link, or that Skull Kid/Midna/Character of the week isn't in the game. You're one of the few Zelda fans I know of that is perfectly content with that, which, kudos to you, but is not representative of the fandom as a whole.
Now If you'll excuse me I'll go back to making my Saki Amamiya for DLC tweetbots to spam Sakurai.
I think it's odd how none of the big one-off Zelda characters ever made it in. Was it just bad timing on the release date of their games? If Brawl had come out a little earlier, would Midna have been in?
Yep, been saying this ever since K. Rool got confirmed and the lack of a new Zelda character was becoming more and more obvious. "Zelda rep" is gonna be the new "DK rep."
Kirby is also getting there except the Kirby fanbase has successfully rallied behind Bandana Dee. If Kirby is getting ANY character, it's him.
Agreed. K. Rool and Ridley were overdue and huge wins for their franchises. If DK can nab Dixie too, DK will truly feel "complete" to me, but if not, I'm at least content I got the character I wanted the most for the last decade.
There's so many to pick
My top 3
Are pig anon
Mipha and daruk
Pig ganon speaks for themselves
But mipha and daruk represent their important races and have unique weapons
I doubt it, Brawl was still adding characters like Wario and Diddy. It didn't feel like they were willing to dig deep until 4 to me.
I think with Zelda it's just a case of bad timing
I literally only see complaints over a check box over people legit thinking these characters represent the series well. But ok.
This I can agree with. Dude has a jetpack, a sword and a laser gun. How is he not in yet
Impa would work well with a Yiga clan inspired moveset.
At some point Aonuma found out Tingle was very unpopular in the US. It's why he hasn't made it in any Zelda game since The Minish Cap and his solo games were never localized in the region.
BTW, the Pig Ganon we have as Ganondorf's Final Smash shows yet again how Sakurai likes to cut corners when it comes to Zelda stuff. The Pig Ganon in Ocarina is a slow lumbering behemoth who slashes Link with his two swords. The Pig Ganon in Ultimate... rams forward like a feral animal.
It's a vestige of Beast Ganon from Twilight Princess. Sakurai literally just swapped models but did not think about how they represent the source material. It's almost as bad as giving Ganondorf the sword from a tech demo from 2000 that has not had any relevance ever since. It's like if Meowth were suddenly made a playable character and they gave him that weird guitar as part of his moveset.
It's a vestige of Beast Ganon from Twilight Princess. Sakurai literally just swapped models but did not think about how they represent the source material. It's almost as bad as giving Ganondorf the sword from a tech demo from 2000 that has not had any relevance ever since. It's like if Meowth were suddenly made a playable character and they gave him that weird guitar as part of his moveset.
Just wait until the only Zelda boss to make it into Adventure Mode is the truly iconic...King Bulblin.
Yes!It's finally her time to shine!
Also Deku alt for Piranha Plant please!
I'm almost 99% sure there will be a Zelda rep as DLC- especially if it's a BotW character. That game is way too popular to not have a unique character in Smash (yeah, yeah I know. BotW Link. But still).
Evreyone knows my patented 100 percent proven "sakurai hates the legend of zelda franchise because he is jealous of its success in sells and quality and critical acclaim in comparison to Kirby and also because aonuma bullies him theory"
I feel like the changes they get are enough.
I just want Young Link to be more like his Majora's self, that would be incredible.
But yeah I'd love Impa.
I just want Young Link to be more like his Majora's self, that would be incredible.
But yeah I'd love Impa.
Odyssey is even more popular, why wouldn't the same logic apply to it?
*whispers* i legit believe it's crap that Metroid has more characters than Kirby
When people think of the Legend of Zelda, they're not thinking of fucking skull kid.
Zelda has perfect representation with every main character being in the game. With the exception of Mario and Starfox, no other franchises in the series has that kind of representation.
Zelda has perfect representation with every main character being in the game. With the exception of Mario and Starfox, no other franchises in the series has that kind of representation.
I don't get the specific reference but Zelda is successful unlike daisy
Also I'm not begging people for feet pics
Plus I remember getting you to concede on pig ganon deserving to be in smash my friend
Remember we are allies on style savvy rep.
I daresay we need Kakeshi as a spirit.
I can't think of any other fighters who got as much of a revised appearance as Ultimate's Zelda.
I can't think of any other fighters who got as much of a revised appearance as Ultimate's Zelda.
But is adding the relevant character of the week from the relevant big hit of the week digging deep? I guess that invites comparisons to Lucario and Ike, which I don't really want to get into. Different series and what not. Might be worth thinking about though
Anyway, Brawl did have some unexpected swerves like Pit or ROB.
People have been begging for Ganondorf to use his sword for over a decade, and then when Sakurai pulls the trigger, people get mad because it's from the Spaceworld demo, even though there are characters who use moves that are wholesale stolen from others in their series.