Everyone already has one (or multiple) friends lists. When someone puts a game on Steam, you know which of your steam friends bought it, are playing it, when. Now with 76, you have to go to the trouble to import your friends. It's a hassle. Don't be obtuse.
If bethesda makes all their games using the new id tech i will be ok with this.
If bethesda makes all their games using the new id tech i will be ok with this.
Nothing charitable about it. It's just a good business decision. Game dev is ludicrously expensive, and cutting out the middle man is a very smart move. I don't see why we shouldn't be supporting moves like this to keep games viable at $60. Steam don't deserve to take such colossal cuts for games they don't make. If anything this should be a wake-up call for Valve to realize their platform isn't essential anymore, and they can't get away with gouging such huge cuts from devs if they want to stay relevant. Get mad at Steam if you want to get mad about this.Or they could just as easily make the game $80 anyways on their launcher. There is literally nothing guaranteed to me as a consumer that a company is doing this to be charitable lmao.
Good. More companies need to stop giving away 30% of their revenue to Valve.
lol at this thinking.
This is ANTI-CONSUMER. Why would you defend this?
Nothing charitable about it. It's just a good business decision. Game dev is ludicrously expensive, and cutting out the middle man is a very smart move. I don't see why we shouldn't be supporting moves like this to keep games viable at $60. Steam don't deserve to take such colossal cuts for games they don't make. If anything this should be a wake-up call for Valve to realize their platform isn't essential anymore, and they can't get away with gouging such huge cuts from devs if they want to stay relevant. Get mad at Steam if you want to get mad about this.
I doooo. I really don't look at disc. Steam worked very well for this for a pretty long ass time.I guess this is because I game through Discord, not through Steam? Because I don't use Steam to gauge any of this stuff you've identified.
Eh? I'm saying that using their own launcher is a fantastic way of keeping costs down. Steam takes a 30% cut of sales, and game dev is already extremely expensive. Games haven't increased much in price at all over the last few decades, despite costs of development skyrocketing. So recouping that 30% Steam would normally claim is a great way of ensuring you continue to only pay $60 for Fallout 76, and aren't looking at a price rise.
I doooo. I really don't look at disc. Steam worked very well for this for a pretty long ass time.
Good. More companies need to stop giving away 30% of their revenue to Valve.
Actual competition would be putting the game everywhere and actually competing in features.
Locking games to specific clients that have no features whatsoever and engaging in price manipulation is the very opposite of competition. There's no competition here.
This doesn't provide any though.
I'm pretty sure Rage 2 isn't either. That's not up on Steam, right?
What huge cuts?Nothing charitable about it. It's just a good business decision. Game dev is ludicrously expensive, and cutting out the middle man is a very smart move. I don't see why we shouldn't be supporting moves like this to keep games viable at $60. Steam don't deserve to take such colossal cuts for games they don't make. If anything this should be a wake-up call for Valve to realize their platform isn't essential anymore, and they can't get away with gouging such huge cuts from devs if they want to stay relevant. Get mad at Steam if you want to get mad about this.
It's the scale of the thing. They can strong arm PC gamers onto their platform easily. Strong arming Console gamers into buying a PC is harder, and there are more console gamers than there are PC gamers anyways, so it's not a (massive) loss they're willing to eat.So Bethesda can cut down their costs even more if they go BethesdaNet exclusive all the way, right? So no Console versions, only the BethesdaNet version.
"B-but some people would never buy on PC"
Correct, and some people will never buy games outside of Steam.
I didn't defend it, I just detailed the legal realities. It's not "held hostage."
You can argue that it's bad to lock it into Bethesda's launcher (and I actually don't disagree with that!), but to say it's held hostage is an exaggeration belied by reality.
They'd have to get bought by a non-Japanese company first.
Not yet.I'm pretty sure Rage 2 isn't either. That's not up on Steam, right?
The Rage 2 Page on their website shows the same Generic PC logo with no mention of it on Steam so I'd argue that they might just be transitioning to leaving Steam altogetherI'm pretty sure Rage 2 isn't either. That's not up on Steam, right?
Good. I would rather have the money going to the people that made the game than a middle-man. Also, Steam's service is not particularly great anymore, so it's not like it's a devastating blow.
(Which inherently seems to bring nothing to the table.)You're right, my mind bridged that connection itself, sorry.
I'll agree that there is a lot of exaggeration, but it's because people are pissed. This sort of thing is becoming the norm now with every pub having their own stupid launcher.
Bethesda would never make a game like that. Everything they make is polished to a mirror sheen.You are gonna wish you had steam service when you want a refund in November because you spent 60$ on a buggy early access multiplayer only game.
You're right, my mind bridged that connection itself, sorry.
I'll agree that there is a lot of exaggeration, but it's because people are pissed. This sort of thing is becoming the norm now with every pub having their own stupid launcher.
You would still need to have a new friends list for joining and inviting.I guess this is because I game through Discord, not through Steam? Because I don't use Steam to gauge any of this stuff you've identified.
So freaking annoying.
Steam
Gog
That's all we need.
Now we have:
Steam
Gog
Origin
Uplay
b.net
and now bethesda.net
Why can't they understand people want convenience and to have their games under as few things as possible?
It is more likely though. That's just how trade works lolBecause there is LITERALLY NO GUARANTEE that this move keeps game developer and publishers from raising prices. Why is that difficult to understand?
Will they lose 30% or more of their PC market though? Unlikely. Fallout is a big enough name to carry most consumers over. Just like Acti have done with Destiny 2 and Blops 4 to the Blizzard launcher.So Bethesda can cut down their costs even more if they go BethesdaNet exclusive all the way, right? So no Console versions, only the BethesdaNet version.
"B-but some people would never buy on PC"
Correct, and some people will never buy games outside of Steam.
So freaking annoying.
Steam
Gog
That's all we need.
Now we have:
Steam
Gog
Origin
Uplay
b.net
and now bethesda.net
Why can't they understand people want convenience and to have their games under as few things as possible?
Convenience. It'll make more sense once you've reached hundreds of games and then realizing you're not having to remember hundreds of accounts and passwords and site logins and clients and directories and UIs.As someone who's new to PC gaming, I have no idea why this would move anyone's needle.
tbf uplay is decent and ubisoft still sells their games on steamSo freaking annoying.
Steam
Gog
That's all we need.
Now we have:
Steam
Gog
Origin
Uplay
b.net
and now bethesda.net
Why can't they understand people want convenience and to have their games under as few things as possible?
I think it's literally their entire library going forward at this point.Now this would be a colossally stupid mistake and honestly on par with most of Bethesda's marketing decisions this generation. They'll earn yet another sales L with Rage 2 for sure if they go this route.
I'm just trying to understand why people are pissed, that's all. I jumped head long into PC gaming and don't see it and I'm trying to get that through questions and argument. My apologies if I came off untoward prior.
build a decent library of games on a platform you owned for more than 5 or 6 years and then you will understand.
This is extremely ignorant on how, well, anything at all works.Good. I would rather have the money going to the people that made the game than a middle-man. Also, Steam's service is not particularly great anymore, so it's not like it's a devastating blow.
It's the scale of the thing. They can strong arm PC gamers onto their platform easily. Strong arming Console gamers into buying a PC is harder, and there are more console gamers than there are PC gamers anyways, so it's not a (massive) loss they're willing to eat.
You would still need to have a new friends list for joining and inviting.
It's incredible a lot of clueless, gullible people still think this is about "not paying that unfair 30%".What huge cuts?
You do realize that it's the literal industry standard, and that there is no platform anywhere else that gives as many benefits to devs for those 30%?
I've noticed this bizarre trend where more often than not the people who mostly play on consoles and hardly give a shit about PC gaming are the ones who "don't get what's so good about Steam" and "wish it had dozens more storefronts to compete with", because, you know, monopoly are bad... except on their favorite consoles.
If this is what you think, you are blind. Steam has an wonderful amount of competition already with plenty options for developers. More so, every single year this keeps expanding thanks to the open nature of the PC - and this competition is from very large competent players.
This statement is every increasingly more redundant, but the consistent go to commentary of non-PC players on this forum.
bUt ValVE TAKES 30 PErCeNTThis is extremely ignorant on how, well, anything at all works.
Bethesda could sell Steam keys on their website and they would get 100% of that money.
They'll also for sure sell the game on Amazon and the likes, which take the exact same percentage cut.
It is more likely though. That's just how trade works lol
Most importantly is that more profit goes to the game developers now, and not to Steam for doing nothing but still demanding a crazy 30%.
If you just jumped into PC gaming in 2018, that's probably why. It's a pretty recent thing with all of these launchers and it's annoying for people that have been PC gaming for a long ass time. Again, no benefit to us just extra annoyances.
So one part is that the proliferation of launchers is annoying inherently. People don't want more apps that do the same thing. There's the friends list thing I mentioned. Steam also has a superior feature set to basically every other launcher out there. Nobody matches it. There's even little inconsequential shit. People like having their library in one place, they like to have their achievements through one service. For those who care, it all adds up, and when it comes down to it, when a publisher announces that they're launching their new launcher and their games will only be available through it from here on out, the ultimate result seems to be that everything sucks just a little bit more, with no obvious benefit to the user.I'm just trying to understand why people are pissed, that's all. I jumped head long into PC gaming and don't see it and I'm trying to get that through questions and argument. My apologies if I came off untoward prior.
And that's not even all.So freaking annoying.
Steam
Gog
That's all we need.
Now we have:
Steam
Gog
Origin
Uplay
b.net
and now bethesda.net
Why can't they understand people want convenience and to have their games under as few things as possible?