BahamutPT

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Nemo, answering a question during the press conference about the audience not being able to enter the arena with non-binary flags, said they too had to smuggle their own NB flag because it wasn't allowed by the EBU...
 

rochellepaws

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There were boycotts on the part of pro-Palestinian folks here which probably overlaps with the demo that would ordinarily watch and vote in Eurovision.

Anecdotal, but meanwhile I saw a fair number of Irish right wingers online encouraging votes for Israel in order to spite the lefty protests and boycotts, and indeed our own performer who they happen to also detest and who made no secret of their pro-Palestinian views.

So between those two dynamics the table may have been set for an amplified vote for Israel from Ireland from a relatively small cohort vs the general population. No external conspiracies required.
To be fair the Irish right wingers online are almost comically bad at successfully pushing a vote for anything. They have no track record of being influential towards anything, if anything their presence tends to push people away from their cause.
 

Ixian

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From an Irish perspective: Israel public voting results were gross, clear manipulation - performance was utterly forgettable.

Loved the very careful call-outs to generic "peace" from some of the presenters delivering the country results.

Sad Estonia got so few votes - they were one of the more enjoyable performances for me, in my top 7.
 

Sakon

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I wonder how the results would've changed with the Netherlands. Would that steal votes from Croatia, enough for Israel to win?
EDIT: Forget it. Forgot about jury votes lol
 

Rynam

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Nemo calling out the Double standards of the EBU at the Presser.
And how they needed to smuggle in the NB flag because they said no.
 

Gradon

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"Mid songs" do well in Eurovision all the time - But yeah, 2 of the 3 reasons I gave are politically motivated, so I'm not sure what you want.

I'm just saying that Israel had zero chance of doing well with this forgettable song in any other year.
 

JoRu

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A surprise for me was that the overall show, i.e. excluding the songs themselves, was kinda eh? The semifinals were actually really nice, especially the second, but here it feels like they kinda did nothing? I expected they would pull out all the stops, but there was basically nothing of note in the intro, all the stuff in between songs was unmemorable (the EBU-spokesperson parody being aroused by the EBU executive especially feels laughably out of touch after he later got booed to hell by the audience), the ABBA tribute was extremely shoddy and reeked of a poor B-plan when they couldn't get ABBA in person, and the Loreen section was a whole lot of mumbling nothing. Petra and Malin did fine, but it really wasn't more than that.

When the only thing I can really say I found funny or memorable was bringing out a runestone to make fun of them having Eurovision CD:s and DVD, then maybe it wasn't all that special.
 

Hercule

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I wonder how the results would've changed with the Netherlands. Would that steal votes from Croatia, enough for Israel to win?
The Jury voting made it almost impossible for Isreal to win. That wasn't going to change with the Netherlands in the mix.

Netherlands won with a huge margin from Switzerland in the semi finals. Croatia would have won I think since that scored well both with the public and jury
 

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I live in Dublin, I have to stare at swastikas every morning while waiting for my bus. Fuck this place.

Not a good experience to endure, but every society has a lowest common denominator. Most of the Irish people aren't going out of their way to create swastika graffiti or anything of the sort.
 

lexony

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Just read some Youtube comments under their winning Live Performance. The video currently has 22000 likes and 19000 dislikes. People are screaming shit like Nemo only won because of their woke Agenda and bullshit like that. United Music my ass, as soon as not their favourite wins, it gets ugly.
 

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ahhh we got last place in the first semi with only 3 points. Seems about right tbh

Just read some Youtube comments under their winning Live Performance. The video currently has 22000 likes and 19000 dislikes. People are screaming shit like Nemo only won because of their woke Agenda and bullshit like that. United Music my ass, as soon as not their favourite wins, it gets ugly.
Yeah, Eurovision has gone woke. Eurovision. That famously subtle, conservative event. What kind of brain rot are these people on 😒
 

Hercule

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Last year there was a lot of outcry about the jury voting. I understand people are even more upset this year since Switzerland only ranked 5th. Song was also not as memorabele as cha-cha-cha

But complaining ESF has become woke is really funny or sad. Those people probably never watched a single minute of this festival. Tomorrow those people will complain the weather has become woke or something equally dumb.

I'm curious what's going to happen now. Both Tros and the NPO have decided to take action against the Eurovision organisation
 

Bill Gaitas

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Last year there was a lot of outcry about the jury voting. I understand people are even more upset this year since Switzerland only ranked 5th. Song was also not as memorabele as cha-cha-cha

But complaining ESF has become woke is really funny or sad. Those people probably never watched a single minute of this festival. Tomorrow those people will complain the weather has become woke or something equally dumb.

I'm curious what's going to happen now. Both Tros and the NPO have decided to take action against the Eurovision organisation
Don't count on NL participating next year, wouldn't surprise me. EBU will do everything to convince AVROTROS to stay though, given how big ESC is in the NL.
 

rochellepaws

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The thing that stands out in Semi Final 2 is how Israel have a high vote in every applicable country but San Marino. Could they not find VPN's for such a small place?


But sure, let's entertain that a nation completely engulfed by Italy which supposedly gave a legitimate 39% endorsement to Israel felt entirely different with no cultural connection whatsoever. Nothing suspicious here!
 

Hercule

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Don't count on NL participating next year, wouldn't surprise me. EBU will do everything to convince AVROTROS to stay though, given how big ESC is in the NL.
We'll see. Right now emotions are high and they will be even higher if it turns out Tros was right. But you will never know the direction the wind blows a couple months from now.

Sending Joost again also wouldn't be the same. His act, the song are things you can't replicate a second time. Selfishly I hope the Netherlands decides not to enter next year though
 

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Nemo, answering a question during the press conference about the audience not being able to enter the arena with non-binary flags, said they too had to smuggle their own NB flag because it wasn't allowed by the EBU...
Fuck the EBU. Fuck the ESC.
Thankfully young people in Europe don't watch that trash contest anyway. I literally don't know a single person below the age of 40 who watches it. Give it time and soon this "apolitical" event will vanish.
 

monketron

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Israel getting as many points from the televote as it did is unprecedented for an absolute mid song. It was purely politically motivated.

The televote has always been politically motivated. This is Europe we're talking about. I mean you just need to check last years winner to see that in action. Countries are always voting for neighbours, etc. It's the reason they brought in the judges' vote to try and balance it out.
 

lexony

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Is the Moroccanoil sponsorship worth this complete lack of integrity? They know what needs to be done.
Yeah they really need to get rid of that. This is so obviously a bad look. And depending what happens until next year, they should really consider disqualifying Israel. I mean it was bad for everyone. Media which seemingly got harassed by Israelis, the high public votes for that country which still gives me some shady vibes, the overall bad/weird vibes behind the scenes a lot of the artist were talking about in interviews, but also the really bad harassment the Israel Artist got, who couldn't move without high security and then having constant booing on stage.

I know that the song might have been politically charged initially, but at the end of the day she was a just a singer at song contest, who gets instrumentalized for propaganda indirectly by a government with certain interests.

If EBU can't get their shit together until next year, I don't see how this contest is even worth to be hold, when at the end everyone directly involved in it gets hurt.
 

Bill Gaitas

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Yeah they really need to get rid of that. This is so obviously a bad look. And depending what happens until next year, they should really consider disqualifying Israel. I mean it was bad for everyone. Media which seemingly got harassed by Israelis, the high public votes for that country which still gives me some shady vibes, the overall bad/weird vibes behind the scenes a lot of the artist were talking about in interviews, but also the really bad harassment the Israel Artist got, who couldn't move without high security and then having constant booing on stage.

I know that the song might have been politically charged initially, but the end of the day she is a human being who gets instrumentalized for propaganda indirectly by a government with certain interests.

If EBU can't get their shit together until next year, I don't see how this contest is even worth to be hold, when at the end everyone directly involved in it gets hurt.
All the shit KAN and the rest of Israeli media did to the artists and other delegations should be enough to suspend them from their EBU membership, period. Any other broadcaster would have been ejected, for sure.
 

poklane

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These are the kinda disgusting human beings which are allowed to be part of the event? Fuck the EBU so much

View: https://twitter.com/IsrBreaksRules/status/1789358788866417021/photo/2
I can confirm myself that this post was shared on his Instagram stories 9 hours ago. Link to the original Instagram post, posted 11 hours ago: https://www.instagram.com/p/C61M8QmtCLj/?hl=en
Google Translate:
For those who don't follow anymore, I came to sort out the Eurovision dramas 💅🫖☕️
The common man spoke against four representatives:
1. Bambi Thug, the Irish center girl who is a member of Satan's sect and performs a demon summoning ceremony on stage
2. The Swiss nemo who drowned in some toilet This nemo is the evil twin of Shahar Tabuch
3. Marina Sati, the Greek, who even the Greeks can't stand Rosalia from Ali Express and the evil twin of Adi Habshush
4. The Dutch Yost, who has already been eliminated by Patuch Salamat
The four Mahabolim refused to participate in the rehearsal of the flag parade because, according to them, Itai Bezaleli (Kafra I) and Keren Pels (Kafra I) from the Israeli delegation were photographing them without permission
I will be clear: from the first day of the Eurovision, Eden is undergoing a social boycott
High school level bowling
If the Eurovision is a piñata heaven party
These representatives of Mazarov in a secret competition who will be recorded behaves more contemptuously towards her in order to get likes and comments of "Icony" and "Echtalem" in the terrorist organization Tik Tok
And that once they were tricked back and they are whining is the best of all
But actually, attacking and then whining when you get paid back, where does that sound familiar to me?
I will finish with the words: enough, enough, eat me, drink me, take me, be, we don't have scratches? Haven't we passed in life? We have engravings, and you, are you coming at us? We, we, none of us gentler, bang like a shillirback and then oh, enough, bye

All the shit KAN and the rest of Israeli media did to the artists and other delegations should be enough to suspend them from their EBU membership, period. Any other broadcaster would have been ejected, for sure.
Exactly. If Israel isn't kicked out, other countries should boycot. Even without all the controversy surrounding Joost, I fully want AVROTROS to withdraw unless Israel is suspended seeing how he was one of the artists harassed by the Israeli delegation.
 
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lexony

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All the shit KAN and the rest of Israeli media did to the artists and other delegations should be enough to suspend them from their EBU membership, period. Any other broadcaster would have been ejected, for sure.
Fully agree. I really hope that SRG (Swiss Broadcaster) is strongly interested to put pressure on EBU. I don't want this very expensive shitshow in its current form organised in my country.
 

Doorman

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Well...I can't be too displeased with the final results when my personal favorite songs were Switzerland at #1 and Croatia at #2 anyway, so congrats to them both. Some of the songs I liked or at least had pretty strong finals performances wound up really really low otherwise, so I guess my tastes are all over the place right now.

Otherwise this entire show just underneath the surface sounds like a complete mess. Between people not being happy about Israel being there, to Israel seemingly not being happy about half the rest of the field being there (maybe some of those conservative delegation members ought to learn that Eurovision is really not a place for you to be stirring shit with other people about your own social views), to Joost getting disqualified for what remains a mystery-gesture and all the fallout from that...the executives of this show are going to have a lot to chew through.
 

Vexii

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I'm selling the UK to anyone who wants it for $1. We almost always suck balls in the contest and after that 12 pointer to Israel, I don't really want to take ownership of it anymore.

Be warned, it's not toilet trained, it hasn't been socialised and it's VERY territorial. Hasn't been vaccinated, probably has a few diseases already actually... Tbh can I pay one of you to take it off my hands?
 

Blade24070

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Seeing Israel come in 2nd in the televote is just disgusting. I was kind of expecting the song to have a stronger reception with the jury, but tank in the televote. Not sure why I was so naive, but the fact that people are trash has been strongly reinforced by this sham of a "contest."
 

Iztok

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gross song contest

not banning israel in the first place is beyond me

The whole week's been tainted for me because of this, the weird double standard of (rightfully) banning Russia from the contest, but allowing Israel felt odd and the online warriors' justifications were just outright disgusting, often distilled to calling everyone antisemitic if they opposed their presence in any way, often even if stating one wouldn't vote for them.

edit: i've just now gotten a better picture of how harrassed some of the contestants were over this and it's making me dislike the entire thing even more. My GF Is heartbroken, this is her favorite time of year and looks forward to it so much.
 
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jungius

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The whole week's been tainted for me because of this, the weird double standard of (rightfully) banning Russia from the contest, but allowing Israel felt odd and the online warriors' justifications were just outright disgusting, often distilled to calling everyone antisemitic if they opposed their presence in any way, often even if stating one wouldn't vote for them.

EBU never wanted to ban russia in the first place, in 2022 finland and other countries threatened to withdraw from the competition that forced them to ban russia. They are crooked in the first place. I think it's the countries that need to do what they did in 2022 by threatening to withdraw, but no one did anything
 

Humidex

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When you get right-wing blowhards in the UK encouraging their followers to vote you know who.

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Iztok

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EBU never wanted to ban russia in the first place, in 2022 finland and other countries threatened to withdraw from the competition that forced them to ban russia. They are crooked in the first place. I think it's the countries that need to do what they did in 2022 by threatening to withdraw, but no one did anything

I was secretly hoping more of them would protest in the final (like refuse to give jury points, cut their broadcast ormaybe even during performance on stage), but I get it, these artists worked hard to get there and just wanted to see it through, and there's contracts in place, penalties ... Still, I expected more but I guess I'm naive. And if the televotes are to be trusted, in the minority as well, which was a bit of a gut punch.
 

Peru

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Russia got near the top after their invasion controversy as well (the one some years ago) - this contest is constructed in such a way that any PR is good PR because as a country gets hate it becomes more visible and gets contrarian voters in such numbers that just having a good song is insufficient for grabbing voters attention. If voters sent in ranked list it would look different. I`m glad the Israel `fans` still weren`t enough to topple this thing.