Eurovision Song Contest 2024 |OT| "Not a political event"
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The vast vast vast majority are voting on songs in a song contest and not on what's happening in the middle east. For Israel to find 40% of the Italian vote when 2nd place was 7% implies there was a major outside influence that isn't normally present.
Do a large part of the population support the Israeli government or the violence against Palestine? For sure.
But out of the people who would actively watch and vote on Eurovision?
Dang, Molitva really is the last time it went there huh?
You thought Eastern European / Balkan country would win?
Congrats to Switzerland.
Supporting a country geopolitically and voting for them in a song contest are two different things.
So maybe that the Italians liked the style of song a lot? We don't need to jump straight to conspiracy nonsense.
Loreen did get second most votes from public too though. Switzerland got fifth most votes from the public so jury votes were even bigger factor this time.
You are naive if you don't think that countries manipulate stuff like this to help sway public opinion. This is the world we live in now. Astroturfing social media and, yes, even a song contest, is part of the game.
Anyway, super happy for Nemo. Loved that they performed the encore with the crown. Hope they get a new trophy!
Anyway, super happy for Nemo. Loved that they performed the encore with the crown. Hope they get a new trophy!
Yes clearly they liked it more than every other song combined for an historical high share of the vote. Definitely not anything more at play.
Let's just deny there were advertising campaigns encouraging 20 votes for Israel as well. I'm sure they all just liked the song.
Come on now, don't be naïve
Eurovision is always politically biased, this isn't new. Or do you think Ukraine won for best song and best song only?
Like if you would do statistics that's probably about twenty times outside of the standard deviation though.
A strong public vote for Israel would show that a significant number of people were motivated to support the act [including to oppose protests against it] Lots of votes reveal little about overall balance of opinion (for, against, neutral) Would need public polling for that.
I also got advertisements for other songs. Plenty of broadcasters advertise voting for their song.
Israel vote is probably a combination of Israel having a pretty decent song, counter protest vote and some sympathy votes. This is the simplest solution.
I'd joke that Mossad rigged the vote, but the conspiracies are so bad I'm afraid people will think I mean it.
Israel getting as many points from the televote as it did is unprecedented for an absolute mid song. It was purely politically motivated.
I have the Eurovision 2024 playlist open on Spotify and it just refreshed in front of me reordering the songs in order of the final placement (I think). And changed the album art to Nemo too. A little weird to see everything flip around suddenly
Nah FUCK israel and anyone who supports a genocidal apartheid state
It's interesting that Switzerland was only 5th at the televoting. Last year there was a lot of controversy surrounding Loreen who came in second. It seems like people are okay with it this year.
I'm against isreal competing but even the Dutch commentator was questioning the fact Isreal didn't got a lot of jury votes. The song of Israel was amongst the better performed songs. I'm happy isreal didn't win though so in this case I'm a bit hypocritical.
Anyway. I'm glad it's over. Croatia their song grew on me but the song people will remember is Europapa
I'm against isreal competing but even the Dutch commentator was questioning the fact Isreal didn't got a lot of jury votes. The song of Israel was amongst the better performed songs. I'm happy isreal didn't win though so in this case I'm a bit hypocritical.
Anyway. I'm glad it's over. Croatia their song grew on me but the song people will remember is Europapa
Happy that Nemo won. They were tied with Ireland for me, two very different songs that stood out against the rest of the participants.
And very relieved that Israel didn't win.
Also, I don't get the hype for Croatia? It was a completely forgettable song. For an audience favourite it had nothing that stood out to me, unlike something like Käärijäs song and performance from last year.
And very relieved that Israel didn't win.
Also, I don't get the hype for Croatia? It was a completely forgettable song. For an audience favourite it had nothing that stood out to me, unlike something like Käärijäs song and performance from last year.
"Mid songs" do well in Eurovision all the time - But yeah, 2 of the 3 reasons I gave are politically motivated, so I'm not sure what you want.
Wtf, do americans even watch eurovision? Can they even vote?
This year there was a Rest of the World vote for people from countries which don't participate.
Eurovision voting is always political.
Ukraine won in 2022 because they got overwhelming amount of audience vote due to the war, despite UK leading Jury votes by a wife margin and Ukraine being in the lower middle table point wise acter jury votes. It's not a stretch to assume the same is true this time for Israel given how the public and govt opinion for a lot of countries is pro Israel.
It is fake.
Why, because this times square ad just exist in this X post.
Same was also used for fake pro israelian and Ukrainian fake ads.
No, yes.
But I think "rest of the world" only counts as one country as it is indeed a bit of a loophole to pay to get televote points.
They started this last year iirc.
ROTW counts as one country so it has limited impact
So.. i have been thinking..
The People who vote on Israël would not have been swayed from Joost to vote for him.
However it do think People who have voted for swiss/Ireland/France/Croatia would have been swayed and maybe with him in the mix It could have been a win for Israël..
The People who vote on Israël would not have been swayed from Joost to vote for him.
However it do think People who have voted for swiss/Ireland/France/Croatia would have been swayed and maybe with him in the mix It could have been a win for Israël..
No, last year was the firsf year the rest of the world was able to vote. ROW counts as a single nation.
Ooh that makes sense then, cheers
eurovision sucks and has always been political particular last 2 decades. thats why you get snacks and drinks and enjoy it drunk. its a shit show and you forget about it the next morning until next year
and at times makes no sense. htf does this 2024 german song have >100 votes compared to 2023 german song that was great and got what, 0? lol. its a shit show guys
and at times makes no sense. htf does this 2024 german song have >100 votes compared to 2023 german song that was great and got what, 0? lol. its a shit show guys
Yeah. i was more preoccupied with the Balkan part, because you know. Ukraine, Azerbeidzjan and Russia.
Difficult to say. I think Croatia would have benefited from Joost competing since Isreal basically lost because of the jury. Israël only could have won had they scored 444 points. That's not very realistic.
Joost would have definitely done wel amongst the voters so votes would be split more amongst the Netherlands, Switzerland and Croatia. With Joost in the mix Switzerland might have done worse at the jury giving Croatia more chances to catch up.
Still Croatia, Netherlands and Switzerland would have easily scored the 180 points needed to beat Isreal had isreal scored 330 points again
There were boycotts on the part of pro-Palestinian folks here which probably overlaps with the demo that would ordinarily watch and vote in Eurovision.
Anecdotal, but meanwhile I saw a fair number of Irish right wingers online encouraging votes for Israel in order to spite the lefty protests and boycotts, and indeed our own performer who they happen to also detest and who made no secret of their pro-Palestinian views.
So between those two dynamics the table may have been set for an amplified vote for Israel from Ireland from a relatively small cohort vs the general population. No external conspiracies required.
Different years, different circumstances. last year had a high focus on Loreen vs Käärja. It was probably harder for Blood and Glitter to stick out, and Jury didn't vibe with the genre in general.
This year was quite different with way more favorites, which allowed people to spread out their votes more. And Always on the run was way more Jury friendly.