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Eidos Montreal has apparently 700 (!) employees, they can't possibly work only on Guardians of The Galaxy and Avengers right?
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I mean, they probably have a fair amount of people doing support/patches for Shadow of the Tomb Raider, so you could count a number of people there.
Administrative Staff
Janitorial Staff
Marketing and Recruiters
IT staff
Business Intelligence Staff
All of these people are likely doing nothing in regards to Guardians of the Galaxy... Or very little in terms of their development.
Marketing obviously is probably working on roll outs for it
BI might be looking at DLC viability, what would work, or they're looking forward to other games/ideas for games.
Administrative Staff
Janitorial Staff
Marketing and Recruiters
IT staff
Business Intelligence Staff
All of these people are likely doing nothing in regards to Guardians of the Galaxy... Or very little in terms of their development.
Marketing obviously is probably working on roll outs for it
BI might be looking at DLC viability, what would work, or they're looking forward to other games/ideas for games.
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The studio head at EM said that only "50" devs were working on Marvel's Avengers.
Both Crystal Dynamics and Crystal Dynamics Northwest are the "main developers" while EM and Nixxes are supporting.
Since I just beat Mankind Divided this weekend, I'm going to echo similar sentiments here and say that I just want a sequel to that.
The premise of this thread is that 700 people means that they have bodies to spare to work on a third project. My rebuttal is that you can look at other studios that have similar projects to The Avengers to see how many people it takes to service such games.
For the size of those games that sounds about right for 2 full teams (including staff such as finance, HR, upper management etc.).
They probably have a third (possibly a fourth team) prototyping their new games but they are probably super small teams
They probably have a third (possibly a fourth team) prototyping their new games but they are probably super small teams
Do you understand how much effort is required to created cinematic level features for a major licensed AAA game?
Yeah I feel like a 700 employees studio is your average or above average run of the mill nowadays. With games like TLOF2 reaching 2000 devs working on it, it's not that hard to imagine Marvel's Avengers taking the energy of less than half of that. Plus the term "employees" means that it groups every soul in the office. From directors to the mail clerk and janitors.
I would guess only about half are actively involved in game dev. You have to remember that a lot of grunt work goes on behind the scenes.
TLOU2 isn't a fair comparison imo, its a flagship first party "we need this to sell consoles" game and they will pour bodies onto that to go from 98% perfect to 100% perfect, similar to Rockstar and GTA/RDR. Ubisoft is also a bad example, they always have had massive studios and have 10+ studios working on a single game at a time so the numbers look insane. They always manage to sell a ton of copies but it also always feels like they are one misstep away from utter collapse, and we saw that sales of Division 2 and Ghost Recon Breakpoint were enough of a problem to delay AC, Far Cry, and Watch Dogs.
Better comparisons imo would be stuff like Sucker Punch and Ghosts of Tsushima or Yakuza or Bungie/Destiny. Bungie currently has around 600 employees including all the admin/QA/etc staff, so 700 isn't absolutely insane for 1 or 2 games but it is pretty high and it probably means there is a lot of expectation on sales. I just don't see how Square isn't disappointed in how the game performs, I don't know a single person who is excited or interested in playing The Avengers after the betas.
The game releases in ** 10 DAYS **
Better comparisons imo would be stuff like Sucker Punch and Ghosts of Tsushima or Yakuza or Bungie/Destiny. Bungie currently has around 600 employees including all the admin/QA/etc staff, so 700 isn't absolutely insane for 1 or 2 games but it is pretty high and it probably means there is a lot of expectation on sales. I just don't see how Square isn't disappointed in how the game performs, I don't know a single person who is excited or interested in playing The Avengers after the betas.
The game releases in ** 10 DAYS **
Having worked there before I will point out that there's a massive QA floor in the building (~100 staff at full capacity) who work on all sorts of Square Enix Europe titles. They are technically employed by Square Enix Europe so I'm unclear as to whether they figure into this headcount or not. Regardless, it is a really big studio.
The plan was always for them to start GotG once they were done assisting CD with Avengers, so we were never going to hear about GotG until Avengers is out first.
It does feel like a fever dream sometimes though lol
Wait that was their plan? I thought they would be in like pre-production or something to get the systems down and then go full force development after Avengers ships.
Dishonored isn't dead. They said the Kaldwin story arc is finished, but not that the entire franchise as a whole is finished.
https://www.ign.com/articles/dishonored-sequel-not-on-hold
Oh yeah, well that's what I mean. They've probably been doing some pre-production in the background, but my point being that they aren't working on it in earnest yet and we won't see the game for a while
With an Avengers GaaS game and two(!) upcoming multi-player centric DC games; Suicide Squad and Arkham Knights, a Guardians of the Galaxy game sound like something that nobody even wants.
Like Dinga said, Arkane is not one to make sequels usually and they are working on Deathloop along with another possibly multiplayer game but I'm doubtful Bethesda are gonna put up the money for a third game at least on the level of the second game after the weak sales (plus Prey didn't perform too well).
Games like Dishonored 2 aren't going anywhere, says Harvey Smith
We go hands-on with Dishonored: Death of the Outsider and talk to its director about the future of immersive sims.
www.pcgamer.com
"And there's always the talent and the resources to make [immersive sims]," says Smith. "The question is, does one particular budget support the audience? What that means is, even if immersive sims speed up or slow down in terms of production, there's always the indie version of immersive sims like—this year you have Tacoma and next year you'll have something else. I think the demand will drive things."
As a Deus Ex fanboy, forget it guys, it's not coming back.
I wish, but that would probably bankrupt square xD
I wish, but that would probably bankrupt square xD
I really, really want them to be able to put their Deus Ex DNA in the GotG game. I hope it's not GaaS, would just needlessly compete with Avengers.
We all do, my friend. We all do.
Deus Ex can't end on a cliffhanger like that, they can't do that to us.
I think it's more taking a break than dead. Too big of an IP for them to never come back to vs say Deus Ex.
Especially with another movie coming and all that.
I worry that a potential continuation as a GaaS might be a fate worse than its death.
