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Man, I really wish this port added gyro controls.

Bows kind of suck in handheld mode without it.
 
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All these systems are kind of overwhelming me tbh. Like with the Pawns, I made my main Pawn a mage (my character is a Strider) but I'm not sure whether that's the right choice or not. Then there's all the money, skills, etc. It doesn't feel like I've got a good handle on anything, really.
 
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I hope they get that combat music bug fixed pretty quickly. It's hardly a deal breaker, but it does hurt immersion quite a bit wandering through a dark cave with the combat music constantly blaring.

I'm going through and adding friend codes now, feel free to do the same (though my pawn is nothing special), 5605-3263-1425
 

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All these systems are kind of overwhelming me tbh. Like with the Pawns, I made my main Pawn a mage (my character is a Strider) but I'm not sure whether that's the right choice or not. Then there's all the money, skills, etc. It doesn't feel like I've got a good handle on anything, really.

That's totally fine. You can always change it later if you want but I usually make my pawn a mage unless I'm a mage then I'll make them a strider usually. Gold lets you buy stuff in the stores, xp lets you buy skills and augments (ie passive skills)
 

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Loving the game thus far. Is it just me or is the audio on the low side in docked mode? Most game sound louder on the basic volume level on my av reciever. But dragons dogma sound on the slight low side.
 
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All these systems are kind of overwhelming me tbh. Like with the Pawns, I made my main Pawn a mage (my character is a Strider) but I'm not sure whether that's the right choice or not. Then there's all the money, skills, etc. It doesn't feel like I've got a good handle on anything, really.
Where are you at right now? If you're still in Cassardis, I wouldn't pay much mind to it just yet. It's worth remembering that while XP is automatically used to level, the discipline points you get from doing tasks, quests, etc have to be spent by you. You can use those discipline points to buy new skills, augments and even new vocations when you get to Level 10. Stick to the main quest for now (remember to do that Witch quest though) and you should be at Level 9.
 

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That's totally fine. You can always change it later if you want but I usually make my pawn a mage unless I'm a mage then I'll make them a strider usually. Gold lets you buy stuff in the stores, xp lets you buy skills and augments (ie passive skills)
Where are you at right now? If you're still in Cassardis, I wouldn't pay much mind to it just yet. It's worth remembering that while XP is automatically used to level, the discipline points you get from doing tasks, quests, etc have to be spent by you. You can use those discipline points to buy new skills, augments and even new vocations when you get to Level 10. Stick to the main quest for now (remember to do that Witch quest though) and you should be at Level 9.

Alright, thanks! I've just finished the training at the encampment and have been told to go back to Cassardis (I think). How much micro-management would you say is needed in this game? Do I need to pick what exactly all my pawns do and manage all of my items carefully or is it a bit more relaxed?
 
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Gonna get started on this. I really want to play something that focuses on range. MA seems like a good choice, but I'm reading online that playing as a MA early on will gimp me pretty bad. Is this true?

Is there an alternative ranged class I can play early on to help stat growth and get more out of a MA later on?
Sorry for the late reply on this, but when it comes to Magick Archer, it easily has some of the worst stat gains of any vocation. If you're min/maxing, it isn't the best idea to go with Magick Archer. Min/maxing isn't all that important to be effective, though. You could go pure strength through Ranger then switch to Magick Archer and still fuck shit up by using end-game weapons and stacking buffs.

For the most part, with any build, you want at least 3k HP and Stamina, 500+ Attack/Magic and at least 300 Def.

TLDR: Stick with Ranger because of the crazy class passives you get to maximise damage output, then switch to Magick Archer
 

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Loving this port so much, but is anyone else getting a strange bug with a certain bit of music playing non-stop (specifically, the middle difficulty enemy music when you fight tough but not overwhelming enemies)? It's more annoying than it should be, pfft.

Also, remind me, what level would you all recommend Bitterblack Isle? I only sorta touched it when I last played.
 
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Alright, thanks! I've just finished the training at the encampment and have been told to go back to Cassardis (I think). How much micro-management would you say is needed in this game? Do I need to pick what exactly all my pawns do and manage all of my items carefully or is it a bit more relaxed?
Okay, so the thing with pawns right is that they can absolutely carry the entire game for you if they're well-trained (there's even vids on YT of pawn teams destroying insanely hard mobs without the Arisen's help), but they're completely optional. You could chuck 'em off a cliff and you'd level up faster solo. At best, pawns provide support with extra dmg, spell casting, buffs, heals etc.

You could play through the entire game and have a fun time even without bothering to manage your pawns. For the most part though, this game isn't micro-manage heavy at all. You only really need to look out for your main pawn. It's widely recommended to let your pawns just do what they want as if you start spamming commands at them, it'll ingrain really bad habits into them that'll make stuff harder for you down the line. The AI is good enough in this game that you can go with a hands off approach.
Also, remind me, what level would you all recommend Bitterblack Isle? I only sorta touched it when I last played.
I'd say minimum Level 40 but 60 is a good spot to jump in
 

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Okay, so the thing with pawns right is that they can absolutely carry the entire game for you if they're well-trained (there's even vids on YT of pawn teams destroying insanely hard mobs without the Arisen's help), but they're completely optional. You could chuck 'em off a cliff and you'd level up faster solo. At best, pawns provide support with extra dmg, spell casting, buffs, heals etc.

You could play through the entire game and have a fun time even without bothering to manage your pawns. For the most part though, this game isn't micro-manage heavy at all. You only really need to look out for your main pawn. It's widely recommended to let your pawns just do what they want as if you start spamming commands at them, it'll ingrain really bad habits into them that'll make stuff harder for you down the line. The AI is good enough in this game that you can go with a hands off approach.

Great advice, thanks a lot :) My main issue is that I tend to get stuck in the 'have to do it right' mindset but it seems that this game is a lot more open to just going at things how you want than other stat-heavy Japanese RPGs (not JRPGs, just RPGs from Japan lol).
 
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Great advice, thanks a lot :) My main issue is that I tend to get stuck in the 'have to do it right' mindset but it seems that this game is a lot more open to just going at things how you want than other stat-heavy Japanese RPGs (not JRPGs, just RPGs from Japan lol).
Yeah, haha! I completely understand.

Personally I really like pawns as their idle chatter makes the game a joy to go through, there's a bunch of RPGs out there with you exploring a barren world alone and it just feels super lonely but having my dumb party of dumb pawns doing dumb things really livens everything up and it just feels way more engaging. This is a huge part as to why I keep coming back to DD.

Anyways, as far as stats are concerned in Dragon's Dogma, all your stats are determined by your vocation when you level up. For example, if you're an Assassin when you level up, you'll gain loads of Strength while if you're a Sorcerer, you'll gain Magick instead. If you're Fighter you'll gain Defense, and so on and so forth. This is why it's important to switch your vocation up constantly. Honestly, I really like this system as it encourages you to actually go out and mess around with the other vocations available.
 

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Yeah, haha! I completely understand.

Personally I really like pawns as their idle chatter makes the game a joy to go through, there's a bunch of RPGs out there with you exploring a barren world alone and it just feels super lonely but having my dumb party of dumb pawns doing dumb things really livens everything up and it just feels way more engaging. This is a huge part as to why I keep coming back to DD.

Anyways, as far as stats are concerned in Dragon's Dogma, all your stats are determined by your vocation when you level up. For example, if you're an Assassin when you level up, you'll gain loads of Strength while if you're a Sorcerer, you'll gain Magick instead. If you're Fighter you'll gain Defense, and so on and so forth. This is why it's important to switch your vocation up constantly. Honestly, I really like this system as it encourages you to actually go out and mess around with the other vocations available.

That's good advice with the vocations.

About that, will gear be an issue when I change vocation? My big issue with a lot of respec options in games is that they rarely take into account the permanent big changes you can make to gear.

Also is there a way to change your main pawn? I'm not really that happy with what I decided for her so I'd like to change appearance/class/attributes if possible.
 

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I can't remember, if you are going to do an escort quest, can you clear the path before taking it or will everything respawn instantly once you grab it? If I recall correctly, there is at least a few days delay before regular enemies respawn.
 

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That's good advice with the vocations.

About that, will gear be an issue when I change vocation? My big issue with a lot of respec options in games is that they rarely take into account the permanent big changes you can make to gear.

Also is there a way to change your main pawn? I'm not really that happy with what I decided for her so I'd like to change appearance/class/attributes if possible.

Once you beat the dragon, you can buy the Secret of Metamorphosis from Johnathan in the Encampment. That will allow you to change the appearance of your character and main pawn from the main menu as much as you'd like. You can only change classes through Olra at Bitterblack Isle and Asalam at the Gran Soren inn.
 
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Also is there a way to change your main pawn? I'm not really that happy with what I decided for her so I'd like to change appearance/class/attributes if possible
Yeah, you can either

  1. Redo it through NG+ (there's an option on the main menu if you buy the Secret of Metamorphosis once you've beaten the game that lets you edit you and your pawn's appearance whenever you want)
  2. Buying the Art of Metamorphosis from Johnathan at the encampment for 5000 Rift Crystals (one-time use)
Otherwise you can give them a makeover (hair, brow color, skin color, etc) through the barber in Gran Soren.

About that, will gear be an issue when I change vocation?
Depends on the vocations you're using. There are hybrid vocations like Assassin, Magick Archer and Mystic Knight that allow you to use a wider range of gear.

In this game, gear matters more than levelling imo. Any deficiencies can be made up as long as you've got good gear.
 

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Also is there a way to change your main pawn? I'm not really that happy with what I decided for her so I'd like to change appearance/class/attributes if possible.
Art of metamorphosis
One time purchase/use only for 5000 rift crystals during first play through

Secret of metamorphosis
Unlimited usage but can only be purchased during new game+
 

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Just finished the Wytchwood mission. Haven't been to The Capital yet. Is there anywhere aside from the main town to get new/better weapons?

Also, does the main town vendor get better weapons as you level up? I'm L10 now and still stuck with the Throatcutter daggers and a Shortbow.
 

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Once you beat the dragon, you can buy the Secret of Metamorphosis from Johnathan in the Encampment. That will allow you to change the appearance of your character and main pawn from the main menu as much as you'd like. You can only change classes through Olra at Bitterblack Isle and Asalam at the Gran Soren inn.
  1. Redo it through NG+ (there's an option on the main menu if you buy the Secret of Metamorphosis once you've beaten the game that lets you edit you and your pawn's appearance whenever you want)
  2. Buying the Art of Metamorphosis from Johnathan at the encampment for 5000 Rift Crystals (one-time use)
Otherwise you can give them a makeover (hair, brow color, skin color, etc) through the barber in Gran Soren.


Depends on the vocations you're using. There are hybrid vocations like Assassin, Magick Archer and Mystic Knight that allow you to use a wider range of gear.

In this game, gear matters more than levelling imo. Any deficiencies can be made up as long as you've got good gear.
Art of metamorphosis
One time purchase/use only for 5000 rift crystals during first play through

Secret of metamorphosis
Unlimited usage but can only be purchased during new game+

Thanks, everyone! The Pawn's not too bad right now (it's a mage and I'm a Strider) so I'm not in too much of a rush.
 

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Just finished the Wytchwood mission. Haven't been to The Capital yet. Is there anywhere aside from the main town to get new/better weapons?

Also, does the main town vendor get better weapons as you level up? I'm L10 now and still stuck with the Throatcutter daggers and a Shortbow.
Yes, there are multiple encampments that all have unique weapons/gear for sale. Make sure you also check Madeline and Reynard when they're around. (edit: Reynard can also enhance your gear before you reach the capital as well! this is very worth doing)
When you reach the capital, there's a good weapon shop and they add more stuff to buy later on as well.

All the best equipment in the game is found though, not bought, but that's mostly late-game stuff.
 

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Is it possible to beat Grigori at Lv40, didnt have trouble at all at any point to get to this point. Because I think I read here that its recommended to be at least 60?
 
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Also, does the main town vendor get better weapons as you level up? I'm L10 now and still stuck with the Throatcutter daggers and a Shortbow.
Merchants will start to stock newer inventory the more you advance through the story, also if you've got a high affinity (friendship) with them, they'll stock extra stuff too.

If you're a Strider, what I suggest you do is to get to Gran Soren ASAP by escorting Mercedes and the hydra head there, then go to Heavenspeak Fort, save, go to the roof above the switch that opens the gate and open it. You should get these dope daggers called the "Galvanic Razors". If you don't get it, reload and repeat until you do.

Here's a video demonstrating this.

 

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I love this game so far. I'm level 18 and there's nothing quite like the feeling of dread while traveling at night, then being surrounded by "something".

I wish I didn't stop playing so early when I bought the original. Anyone encounter a bug where some pawn voices in the game start normal, and then become laughably deep and become stuck that way? Also... isn't there a form of fast travel that doesn't require those consumables?
 
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This port is great so far and I'm pretty sure it'll end up being another game I've owned on multiple platforms but never really sunk my teeth into until the handheld magic of Switch, like Dark Souls and Diablo III before it. I haven't really gotten this far before on ps3 or pc and just switched to a magick archer and I'm wondering if it makes sense to keep buying up all the skills, knowing I can't equip all of them at all times? Like later on do you need to switch these up a lot to change tactics or does it make sense to just make a build from things you can equip at once and make those specific skills stronger? Should I stick to either daggers or staves? I know you can respec and make pawns for your weaknesses, just wondering what's the most fun. Thanks! My FC = 0056-5787-8696
 

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Completely new to the game, I've been playing as Ranger for a hot minute and enjoying it, but wanted to ask if there was any reason I should wait before switching over to Magic Archer? Is it negligible, or are there benefits to me beefing up as a Ranger first?
 

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The waypoint's pointing to me to a spot on Cassardis' pier but nothing's there when I go to it. Do I just have to wait for a certain time or something or is the way forward somewhere else?
 

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The waypoint's pointing to me to a spot on Cassardis' pier but nothing's there when I go to it. Do I just have to wait for a certain time or something or is the way forward somewhere else?
Its take you to BBI.
Either sleep at an inn until night or just do quests until its night and then go to the pier and a npc will be there to take you to BBI.
 

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Completely new to the game, I've been playing as Ranger for a hot minute and enjoying it, but wanted to ask if there was any reason I should wait before switching over to Magic Archer? Is it negligible, or are there benefits to me beefing up as a Ranger first?
It'll increase your stamina from generally leveling as a Ranger, so you'll be able to sprint more!
Also I personally like to unlock all available passive augments for all classes, but I don't remember if Ranger had anything awesome. You can get something to increase how far your lantern can illuminate I guess..

edit: Rank 8 Ranger will let you get access to Stability, which is a useful Augment in only very very specific areas! Also Trajectory and Precision are worthwhile augments to have for any bow class, but not sure if they do anything with a magick bow.

edit 2: Trajectory does work for MA! I'm going to try this next time.
The waypoint's pointing to me to a spot on Cassardis' pier but nothing's there when I go to it. Do I just have to wait for a certain time or something or is the way forward somewhere else?
That's just the BBI story, you need to be there at night to talk to the lady on the pier.
You shouldn't go there until you're much higher level though, and preferably after you finish the story.
 
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Its take you to BBI.
Either sleep at an inn until night or just do quests until its night and then go to the pier and a npc will be there to take you to BBI.
It'll increase your stamina from generally leveling as a Ranger, so you'll be able to sprint more!
Also I personally like to unlock all available passive augments for all classes, but I don't remember if Ranger had anything awesome. You can get something to increase how far your lantern can illuminate I guess..

That's just the BBI story, you need to be there at night to talk to the lady on the pier.
You shouldn't go there until you're much higher level though, and preferably after you finish the story.

Ah, I assumed that but wasn't sure. I'll just find my way forward, then. The map makes it pretty clear that I should probably go to that city in the north.
 
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This port is great so far and I'm pretty sure it'll end up being another game I've owned on multiple platforms but never really sunk my teeth into until the handheld magic of Switch, like Dark Souls and Diablo III before it. I haven't really gotten this far before on ps3 or pc and just switched to a magick archer and I'm wondering if it makes sense to keep buying up all the skills, knowing I can't equip all of them at all times? Like later on do you need to switch these up a lot to change tactics or does it make sense to just make a build from things you can equip at once and make those specific skills stronger? Should I stick to either daggers or staves? I know you can respec and make pawns for your weaknesses, just wondering what's the most fun. Thanks! My FC = 0056-5787-8696
Generally if you've got enough discipline, I say buy the skills that look fun to you so you can mess around with them. Switch them up depending on the type of enemies you'll be facing in a certain area. Worth mentioning that there are 'improved' versions of base skills that you should probably consider picking up.

If you're going Magick Archer, honestly don't even bother with staves. They're kinda pointless and Magick Archer has some really cool dagger skills like Backfire which is super strong versus large monsters and Shadowpin.
 

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Ah, I assumed that but wasn't sure. I'll just find my way forward, then. The map makes it pretty clear that I should probably go to that city in the north.

Yes get to Gran Soren asap. The game opens up much more then. Probably shouldn't do BBI until late game or after you've beaten the story.
 

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So I aint gonna lie, I picked mage because 1 I do actually like that class and 2: some years ago I saw a gif of someone summoning a tornado spell on what looked like a boss and it looked absolutely awesome. I did hesitate for a bit because I know this game is secretly also a character action game being made by itsuno and all and know mage would be limited in that regard.
 
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I saw a gif of someone summoning a tornado spell on what looked like a boss and it looked absolutely awesome.
That's Sorcerer, I really don't recommend starting the game with Mage as it's gonna be awful if you don't know what you're doing. Stick with Strider or something until you can buy advanced vocations at around Level 10 then you'll be able to skill Sorcerer.

The only way to change vocations early without going to Gran Soren is to go to Bitterblack Isle. Go to Cassardis, sleep at the inn till night and talk to Olra, she'll take you there then speak to her again and you can change vocation.

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That's Sorcerer, I really don't recommend starting the game with Mage as it's gonna be awful if you don't know what you're doing. Stick with Strider or something until you can buy advanced vocations at around Level 10 then you'll be able to skill Sorcerer.

The only way to change vocations early without going to Gran Soren is to go to Bitterblack Isle. Go to Cassardis, sleep at the inn till night and talk to Olra, she'll take you there then speak to her again and you can change vocation.


I added ya to the threadmarks :)
When you say skill sorcerer do you mean I'll be able to have 2 classes at once? Or that I'll be able to brute force different class skills?
 
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When you say skill sorcerer do you mean I'll be able to have 2 classes at once? Or that I'll be able to brute force different class skills?
Ok so how classes in Dragon's Dogma work is that the vocations (classes) are split between basic, advanced and hybrid.

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If you have enough discipline points, you can switch to any vocation, however you have to be Level 10 to access the advanced vocations.

The idea behind this system is that you can switch between them regularly as each vocation levels up a certain stat more than the rest when you reach a new level. I mentioned this above so I'm just gonna copy and paste.

For example, if you're an Assassin when you level up, you'll gain loads of Strength while if you're a Sorcerer, you'll gain Magick instead. If you're Fighter you'll gain Defense, and so on and so forth.

So generally Dragon's Dogma is super forgiving regarding character builds. You could easily min/max Sorcerer by going Mage until Level 10 then Sorcerer till 99 but the optimal Sorcerer build I'd say is to go 1-10 as Strider, 11-15 as Mage, then 16-99 as Sorceror. The nice thing about this build is that it allows you to go Magick Archer too if you ever wanted to switch. The thing with this approach is that going Strider for 1-10 provides you with way more even stat growth across the board. That really isn't the case if you start Mage and it's generally gonna be unfun if you don't know what you're doing which is why I wouldn't suggest starting off with it.
 

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I played this for the 1st time today for a few hours. It's too early for reviews, but my 1st impression is that it's surprising it didn't get higher scores. Seems like a really high quality game to me.
 

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This thread made me decide to get this. I had it free on PS+ for PS3 but bounced off it quickly. Looking forward to giving it a try tomorrow!
 
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I played this for the 1st time today for a few hours. It's too early for reviews, but my 1st impression is that it's surprising it didn't get higher scores. Seems like a really high quality game to me.
The thing with Dragon's Dogma is that it launched super close to Skyrim. Capcom really did the game a disservice by doing that as everyone pretty much dismissed it. Thankfully these re-releases have put the game on the map multiple times, plus the MMO spin-off "Dragon's Dogma Online" is really popular in Japan so I have hopes we'll see a sequel next-gen. I legitmately think Dragon's Dogma alongside KH2FM are the two best ARPGs ever.