MCC does just fine with PC/Xbox. You can match by input method (kb/m only or gamepad only), you can use kb/m on console, and Halo's generous aim assist and magnetism often gives gamepad players an advantage over all but the best kb/m players.
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Dexerto: Warzone players demand cross-play changes as hackers make it “unplayable”
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That's not the problem here...
The truth is in the middle. When you are good and knows the game very well, you just are better than rookie cheater, especially if you play in a good team.
Cheating exists within the console space, but it occurs more often on PC. You might as well minimize the number of cheaters console players have to play by adding an option to opt-in cross play with PC players.
Saying cheating exists on console or isn't specific to PC is rather useless information. It is already known and you're not really making a point.
Saying cheating exists on console or isn't specific to PC is rather useless information. It is already known and you're not really making a point.
Very rarely do you see people actually kill a hacker. Typically, they are terrible with awful movement, but they routinely kill the best players, and their entire squad. One aim botter does this, and it's easy. There simply isn't a good counter to someone who walls and can laser you from across the map.
I suck at warzone, and I've even seen a sharp uptick in cheaters. The only reason I play with PC people is because my squad is mixed between consoles. If that wasn't the case I'd never play with the PC base.
That option will never exist. The PC segment would die almost instantly without the console base, and Activision wants to sell their battlepasses and money is all they really care about.
What % of cheaters do you reckon are on PC and how many on console? 😇
It is true, if you try to turn off matchmaking on the Xbox version it says that crossplay is required. If you try to turn it off at system level, it just runs a game search that lasts forever.
Just give people the option to block PC crossplay if they want and implement anti cheat software
When we played Warzone, we had 1 friend that was on Xbox. If you want to play with Xbox Players, you HAVE to play with PC Players too! So when we weren't playing with him, we would all turn off crossplay so that we would only play with PS4 Players.
Turning on Crossplay, turns on playing with Both Xbox and PC Players, there is no either/or. We just seemed to find so many questionable kills when we played with Crossplay on (this would involve continuing to watch the person who killed you, then noticing there are a lot of people watching this same person, then noticing them making ridiculous kills and one shots, it was crazy. Sure, there are a lot of cheaters on Consoles, but there are so many more cheating resources and tech on PC and they are very easy to implement.
Turning on Crossplay, turns on playing with Both Xbox and PC Players, there is no either/or. We just seemed to find so many questionable kills when we played with Crossplay on (this would involve continuing to watch the person who killed you, then noticing there are a lot of people watching this same person, then noticing them making ridiculous kills and one shots, it was crazy. Sure, there are a lot of cheaters on Consoles, but there are so many more cheating resources and tech on PC and they are very easy to implement.
I 1v1'd a gamepad player on Blops 3 with m/kb awhile back and I did not do very well, considering the supposed advantage. And when we tried the same thing on a game without aim assist it was complete annihilation. The gamepad player did not even get a single kill. So I don't think the inherent advantages of the control method overcome the benefits of aim assist until you reach the upper echelon of PC players (basically eSports/streamer tier). But if people think I'm wrong and I'm just horrible with a mouse it's an easy experiment to replicate.
Future anti cheat has to be heuristics / AI based, because the client based solutions will no longer work. The cheats are too numerous and sophisticated. And this probably won't happen until cheating starts to affect console games.
Anyone who knows my posts knows I'm a huge supporter of crossplay, but at the same time, we know cheats are much easier to access on PC than they are on console. Console-only crossplay should always be an option to limit the effect of cheats for console players.
hope Activision implements this. Stuff like hackers/cheaters seriously hurt multiplayer games in the long run
hope Activision implements this. Stuff like hackers/cheaters seriously hurt multiplayer games in the long run
This. The game is in a terrible state, with bugs, server issues, and rampant cheating across PC and console.
as far as i know thats mostly for regular cod mp, for warzone they put pretty much everyone together so they full lobbies without queue time
The problem is it's infinitely easier to cheat on PC, compared to console where it's virtually a non issue.
I will say some people do sound the hacker alarm easy - I get called a hacker sometimes because I snipe when I'm just a scrub console player who still hasn't hit first place in BR - but there are countless clips showing blatant aim botting. Activision needs to listen to these cries, but seeing how many issues there this are with bugs and weapon balance, I don't have much of a hope if the that sweet BP, blueprint and skin money is still coming in.
It's just crazy,
The newest glitch allows people to jump into the Gulag and kill people while they are invincible to them...
CQC is fairly even, I feel between m/k and controller. At range, controlling recoil, 360s/checking flanks, flicking to targets, not to mention higher framerates, fovs, etc, and it's a sizable advantage using a k/m.
All that I can live with, but to those who suggest cheating isn't that bad, check any content creator on youtube, I bet there are several videos in the past month almost entirely dedicated to cheaters, and they're all saying it's getting worse. It's immediately apparent when someone's cheating. I get outplayed all the time, and that's ggs, but most cheaters are not subtle.
They separate control types in warzone. If you play with controller on PC you only get paired with console and other PC controller players.
They have already admitted there is a problem. Doing something about it is a totally separate issue.
The way crossplay was handled on modern warfare was the same shit and it's why I ended up leaving it disabled. I don't get why they couldn't allow console only as a choice. I wanted to play with my fiends on ps4 but could only do so on my xbox by also playing with pc gamers despite the insane advantages they get from that platform. It's honestly ridiculous that people don't understand why console gamers want the choice to avoid pc gamers on matches and if that sucks for pc gamers then it's hardly console gamers fault that Activision can't fix the issues that are worse from pc gamers.
Why? Console only crossplay is not that rare. Overwatch does it and it"a great, it should be an option to all console multiplayer games.
There is more than rough ps4/Xbox one , PS5/Series X players were we can safely cut out the PC player base.
Cross play is great but for lot of games, I want the option for console vs pc crossplay. Lot of games PC players just have so many advantages, I would love crossplay for consoles only and PC being a toggle really. While in some games crossplay between platforms clearly doesn't matter, but in games like COD and lot of shooters, PC players have too many advantages.
You can outplay a Cronus player and the new "AI" is just an experiment.
It's the main reason my crew and I ditched warzone. I remember being inside the tower at prison and having a kid outside one shot me from a mile away. Too many situations like that pop up in that game. Console only cross play would be real nice but I think it may be too little, too late for us
YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO OWN A PERIPHERAL to do this that, which while not difficult, Still automatically makes the barrier to entry for cheating MILES higher lol. Do you personally own anybody who owns one of these things? How many of your joe blow console playing friends even know this EXISTS?
meanwhile, on pc
community manager for x game: we have banned 50,000 cheaters this month and will ban another 50,000 next month please be patient while we try to somehow make this shit bearable
Imo, basically sacrificing the pc community because the multi billion company is unable to solve the issue is the lazy way out. They should invest in better anti cheat and ways to ban cheaters instead of basically saying fuck you to the pc community.
That $100 peripheral that is out of stock vs a piece of software.
................Comparable for sure.
I'm sorry, but that is PC. You get a PC, you know what you are getting yourself into.
In an ideal world, cheating would be fixed.
But with the nature of PC, anyone can cheat. Its just a piece of software you download and thats it.
No point in dragging down everyone. Just cut off PC and let console players actually have fun.
................Comparable for sure.
I'm sorry, but that is PC. You get a PC, you know what you are getting yourself into.
In an ideal world, cheating would be fixed.
But with the nature of PC, anyone can cheat. Its just a piece of software you download and thats it.
No point in dragging down everyone. Just cut off PC and let console players actually have fun.
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Cronus devices having 6+ month waiting lists for years straight shows it's also much more common than people think on console as well.
Unfortunately, yes.
The alternative is 'fuck console players' and there are a LOT more console players than PC players.
NO console game should have forced cross play with an open platform that has a widespread cheating problem. Most developers know this, no idea why Warzone would force console players to play with PC players.
I'm torn on this. I play Warzone at least 5 days a week, so I'm very vested in this game.
The cheating sucks. Especially if you go through most of a match just fine and run into a cheater towards the end game. There goes 20 minutes (and possibly a great match) wasted. There are a ton of cheaters too.
On the other side, I play on PC (with a controller) and are often playing with friends who play on Xbox.
Would it be worth it to give up the benefits of playing on PC to get rid of the majority of cheaters? Maybe, I would certainly miss the high frame rate and FOV on PC though…
I wish they could just get their shit together on identifying and dealing with cheaters because it's the biggest issue in Warzone.
The cheating sucks. Especially if you go through most of a match just fine and run into a cheater towards the end game. There goes 20 minutes (and possibly a great match) wasted. There are a ton of cheaters too.
On the other side, I play on PC (with a controller) and are often playing with friends who play on Xbox.
Would it be worth it to give up the benefits of playing on PC to get rid of the majority of cheaters? Maybe, I would certainly miss the high frame rate and FOV on PC though…
I wish they could just get their shit together on identifying and dealing with cheaters because it's the biggest issue in Warzone.
It's a niche device at best. They probably don't even manufacture that many of them.
Cheating is way way worse on pc, which as an open platform and doesn't require a supposedly hard to acquire peripheral lol. Not to mention they aren't explicitly a cheating device, there are probably tons of people just buying them to use their scuff controller on ps5 or whatever. and it's not like they give you aimbots or wallhacks, the two most prominent and blatantly obvious forms of cheating that have infested many PC games.
This should be blatantly obvious.
Like anybody who has played CS go for 10 minutes knows that cheating is a problem on PC
I mean, the issue is on that end, why should console players "suffer" because of it? Because for the people who want it left in it sure seems like their answer is fuck console players as long as PC can have healthy lobbies.
They're living in the past and still think console is some bastion of a level playing field. Cronus Zen, Strike packs, this new method of cheating using video capture. Go play Siege and past gold rank it's all XIM and Cronus.
The solution as always is for activision to actually pay up for some good anti cheat. Disabling crossplay is just going to let the console cheaters continue to get away with it because theirs aren't as obvious as someone lasering you from across the map through a wall, but just as effective at screwing the fair play for everyone.
For those saying that cheating is not exclusive, you are right. However it seem like 90% of the blatant cases are. I would celebrate as an xbox player if they gave us an option for cross play. I can post countless shared video of cheating I have saved. It is out of control and ruins the game. As soon as there is an alternative I can convince my group to play instead, we are gone.
Crossplay should always be optional and set to off by default. If the userbase gets so low it impacts match making then they can update the default to on.
lol, how do you even know if somebody is cheating? Where is the video evidence that cheating is a major issue in Warzone? Is it something blatantly obvious, or is it somebody losing a gunfight and claiming that their opponent was cheating?
A lot of gamers are quick to jump to accusations of cheating when anybody kills them.
For instance, Battlefield V on PC has mixed reviews, with most negative reviews being about rampant cheaters. I didn't encounter any cheaters while playing. In fact, I've got a friend who took it upon himself to test out a review that claimed the game had no form of anticheat by cheating himself, and he was banned the same day.
Meanwhile, in my first game of Battlefield 1 which has very positive reviews on Steam, I encountered a player who was invisible and one-tapping everybody from across the map. He was literally admitting to cheating in chat and went 80-0 or something dumb.
Probably not rampant at all.
A lot of gamers are quick to jump to accusations of cheating when anybody kills them.
For instance, Battlefield V on PC has mixed reviews, with most negative reviews being about rampant cheaters. I didn't encounter any cheaters while playing. In fact, I've got a friend who took it upon himself to test out a review that claimed the game had no form of anticheat by cheating himself, and he was banned the same day.
Meanwhile, in my first game of Battlefield 1 which has very positive reviews on Steam, I encountered a player who was invisible and one-tapping everybody from across the map. He was literally admitting to cheating in chat and went 80-0 or something dumb.
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This makes it sound like every person who plays COD on PC is a cheater or actively wants the cheating which is obviously not true.
My point in all this is that I feel like there has to be a better solution than one part of the community getting fucked over somehow and "anti cheat just isn't viable" doesn't really cut it for me. Seeing a lot of "it just can't be done" without any actual explanation. Why have all the complaints lately been about cheaters in Warzone and not Fortnite or Apex? Is it really as simple as "everyone who plays those games turns the crossplay toggle off?"
Yeah.
It's fairly obvious no one here has played Siege on console in order to see the Cronus in all its glory.