Who's Going to Win South Carolina?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 585 39.2%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 853 57.2%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 24 1.6%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 7 0.5%
  • THE KLOBBERER

    Votes: 16 1.1%
  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 6 0.4%

  • Total voters
    1,491
  • Poll closed .
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PhaZe 5

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If it's not Bernie or Warren, then I'd take Pete, who I believe is quite a bit ahead of Klo, Biden, and Bloomberg in regards to progressive policy.
 
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The GOP's campaign against Obama, especially, the ACA, was that it was socialism, socialism, socialism, etc. Trump will campaign more against socialism than Bernie himself. We've already heard Trump decry the so-called evils of socialism in the state of the union. The socialism moniker is Bernie's biggest liability. Americans simply have a negative view of socialism, mostly because they don't understand it all. They hear socialism and they immediately think Stalin, the USSR, high taxes, the Red Scare, gulags, etc. In reality, a lot of Americans actually like Bernie's proposals, even though they are socialist proposals. He just has to talk specifics. People might have a negative view of socialism, but they actually want socialist programs like M4 All, higher tax rates for billionaires and corporations, etc. TL;DR. Americans actually like socialist programs as long as you don't call them socialist.

I think it would really help Bernie if he started actually naming the European countries with the policies he's talking about. No one in America thinks of them as socialist.
 

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my rank if ranked ballots were a thing

1) Sanders
2) Biden
3) - - - - - - - -

tha'ts it Sanders is the best the beat Trump,
Biden is the 2nd best to beat Trump
 

Kay

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If it's not Bernie or Warren, then I'd take Pete, who I believe is quite a bit ahead of Klo, Biden, and Bloomberg in regards to progressive policy.
Pete's cynical as fuck - like a terminator who's designed to win the nomination. I'd probably him 2nd to last before Bloomberg
 

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This is incredible. And it's just the beginning of the primary, what will happen when he'll start to win more and more delegates?

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Pete's cynical as fuck - like a terminator who's designed to win the nomination. I'd probably him 2nd to last before Bloomberg

This is where I'm at. You don't innocently push out the first black police and fire chiefs, have your police patrol black neighborhoods for marijuana, or sit on a police force that's 5% black in a city where 25% of the population is black. Pete is going to crash hard in states that aren't all white, and there will be some bad faith actors claiming it's because black people don't tolerate homosexuality. But the reality is that if it walks and talks like a bigot...
 

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Pete's cynical as fuck - like a terminator who's designed to win the nomination. I'd probably him 2nd to last before Bloomberg

Everything Pete says feels more focus group tested than a Marvel movie, like it ran through 300 algorithms to please his billionaire donors. Klob and Biden at least have a kind of folksy genuine-ish sense of self. Pete is just a black hole.
 

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If no one wins can we just have the top delegates count president and 2nd VP? That way the party is united. If sanders got the most but everyone else pooled together under Bloomberg or Biden it would butthurt Sanders base so much we could lose the general.
 

Kay

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This is where I'm at. You don't innocently push out the first black police and fire chiefs, have your police patrol black neighborhoods for marijuana, or sit on a police force that's 5% black in a city where 25% of the population is black. Pete is going to crash hard in states that aren't all white, and there will be some bad faith actors claiming it's because black people don't tolerate homosexuality. But the reality is that if it walks and talks like a bigot...
Like, Amy's policies are probably worse than Pete's but at least when she talks I believe that she actually thinks she's doing what's right for the country. Pete is basically this drill tweet

 
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bricewgilbert

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Bernie didn't fall in line until summer in 2016. Why should I?

Because everyone else can't win or is a terrible human being. This is the time. Literally the only candidate other than Sanders that is a respectable choice in any way is Warren, and she isn't going to win. If we go by her population of online supporters then they have Bernie as their second choice since he "is basically the same on policy". I don't know for certain if her online portion is actually that large or if most support would go elsewhere, but I don't see how a moral person could make the argument for the rest of the field. I know plenty of people obviously will make a terrible vote for an evil person, but I don't think anyone trying to reason their choice in a forum like this can successfully do that.
 
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What does republican Bloomberg get done? Status quo? Moderate ratfucking? Buying an election and emboldening the oligarchs? Who would be next? Zuckerberg? I hate that the dnc let this piece of shit buy his way in. Anyone part of that decision should be sacked. Immediately.
 

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Bloomberg said:
"OK, I'm not suggesting that Putin is doing a good thing, or that he should be allowed, but we did this," "Two-hundred years ago, but we did this. You want a warm-water port? Guantanamo Bay ring a bell?"

Like Trump, the former mayor has praised China's Xi Jinping as "not a dictator"—Bloomberg's remarks came during Xi's repression of protests in Hong Kong—something that raised eyebrows considering his extensive business interests in China. Later in Bloomberg's Aspen remarks, he spoke about meeting with India's Hindu nationalist prime minister Narendra Modi to discuss a "non-profit consulting firm."

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Trump said:
Trump: Well, I respect a lot of people but that doesn't mean I'm going to get along with him.

O'Reilly: But he's a killer though, Putin's a killer.

Trump: There are a lot of killers, we've got a lot of killers. What do you think — our country's so innocent?

I feel that the comparisons with Trump are appropriate.
 

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If no one wins can we just have the top delegates count president and 2nd VP? That way the party is united. If sanders got the most but everyone else pooled together under Bloomberg or Biden it would butthurt Sanders base so much we could lose the general.

If Bernie does not get the plurality despite winning the primaries we are in serious danger. Not just progressives but the left in general. Given the option between Bernie and Bloomberg I have no doubt that moderates would pick Bloomberg.

Moderates have time and time again taken the minority and working class vote for granted. I don't think minorities will comply this time if the delegates decide to back Bloomberg, a candidate fundamentally against Bernie's entire philosophy. I'm pretty sure a significant chunk of Bernie voters, myself included, would rather stay home than vote for Bloomberg who is a racist and transphobe.
 

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I swear "Bold" is going right up there with "Coalition" as one of my least favorite words. Looks like Warren is angling to be Pete or Klob's VP.
 

Ionic

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The union leaders obviously don't want M4A and are trying to clamp down against Bernie. Liz is trying to get their good graces.

According to the union's propaganda it seems like they want Klobuchar.

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Seeing union leaders fight to have their employers maintain power over them through healthcare is incredibly sad.

Seeing Warren slide farther away from M4A is equally sad.
 

Ashane

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The culinary union leaders are refusing to back Sanders because of M4A, so she sees an opportunity to strike.

That entire union leadership screams "Fuck you got mine!".

Like, so what if a large majority of the US does not have health care, we got ours. Hopefully it comes back and bites them in the ass once Trump gets done union busting and they fade into obscurity like the rats they are.
 
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The "moderate voltron" is gonna come into play if a brokered convention occurs, chances of which are currently literally tied with Bernie getting the nom in the first round.

Not sure why you guys think this is some kind of joke. The moderates will fall in line behind Bloomberg when the time comes.

This isn't even talking about superdelegates as well.

Not if some of these moderates drop out before then, it won't.

The joke is how the media is playing up the Bernie vs the moderates. Or choosing to ignore Bernie in favor of good ol' mayor Pete lol
 

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warren was such a bright spot in this field, seriously bummed out how her campaign has ended up ever since the dip she took after shifting on M4A. she's been flailing for any kind of anything to help her gain something back and it just sucks. sad for her and her supporters, wish she had better people around her to help better steer the ship.
 
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