Honestly I think that prevents a clearer path forward than if Bernie is the nom and he loses to Trump.What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
Honestly I think that prevents a clearer path forward than if Bernie is the nom and he loses to Trump.
Nah, were already seeing whats going to happen. They'll triple down on the same moderate schtick and claim it was russia or bernie bros and keep on keeping on about electability and what have you.What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
It went to Hillary in 16 because Bernie didn't even attempt to campaign there + didn't have the infrastructure.The south bending over for Biden, much like it curtsied to Hillary in 16, depressing but unsurprising.
What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
Dates on that poll kinda make it worthless. My opinion is no matter how good or bad a poll is for your preferred candidate, it's probably best to ignore it at this moment, just way too many moving parts in the last couple of days
Yeah I actually agree with this. If Bernie is the nom and loses, there's going to be a whole lot of litigating. I think its going to be exceedingly clear why Biden loses if he does, the man has shown a lot of problems and the guy has barely been in the primary spotlight.
I'm going to be honest. I have no clue what he meant. There's no universe in which he won the "working class vote" of South Carolina, so why even bring up that state? You already said yourself that he didn't win the working class vote in South Carolina. Why would he say he did then? What demographics could he have possibly seen that would make him include South Carolina in a list of places where he was winning working class people? The fact that it took you an entire paragraph to try to explain away his statement is telling. I'm not misrepresenting anything. That's literally a quote from him. And I'm not sure why you think it's so clear. The author of the tweet had the same impression of the quote that I did, as well as several other people in Poli-ERA. For such a clear statement, it sure is confusing.You know, you are saying something that you know is untrue. He did not say that. He said "when we talk about South Carolina, and when we talk about other places, we are winning working-class people." Now, look, if he meant to say he won the working class population in South Carolina and wasn't meaning to refer to winning "when we talk about other places," then that's obviously not true. With the way he worded it, he clearly could have been meant the working class vote in "other places." But yeah, he obviously didn't win the working class vote in South Carolina and he's wrong to imply that if that's what he really meant. But for you to distort and misrepresent that comment in such an egregious way to make it seem like he said "black people in South Carolina aren't real working class Americans" is outrageous. I can't believe we're even having this conversation: your whole point is such a bad-faith misrepresentation that I don't even think you really believe it. This is just a cheap talking point.
blame progressives i guess. at least in my case though it'll be justified. i ain't doing shit for bidenWhat the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
I think probably we have to look at other countries that have been hit with this right wing nationalism bug.What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
its over lol. I knew it was done after biden won SC the way he did and its been overer every moment ever since. if bernard pulls a miracle tomorrow then we'll see but its not going to happenFrom the responses here? Blame Bernie Bros again apparently.
No it isn't. It isn't over until the fat lady sings. Give up now and it will be over.
Lmao at you having to resort to personal attacks everytime you reply to me because you aren't capable of relying on your actual arguments. The President doesn't write law. He's not a dictator. He can't just will his agenda into existence. That's literally not how things work. Is this your first election? Serious question.
its over lol. I knew it was done after biden won SC the way he did and its been overer every moment ever since. if bernard pulls a miracle tomorrow then we'll see but its not going to happen
Yup. Don't assume that Sanders has already lost before he has and don't assume that we've already lost to Trump before we have, please.
There is no way in hell the GOP is returning to Mitt Romney types. They've had great success with a right wing populist, and their next cantidate will be another right wing populist, but probably much much smarter and a crypto fascist.Blame Bernie and his supporters again, run Pete in 2024, and then lose to Mitt Romney?
OK cool. Because you were just pretending that you did.
Sometimes people have the wrong figures and accidentally say something that's not true? I don't know. But for you to rush to the interpretation of "wow, he misspoke about South Carolina voters, that must mean he thinks black South Carolinians aren't working class!" is in such bad faith that it makes it very very difficult to engage with anything else you're saying or take it seriously.There's no universe in which he won the "working class vote" of South Carolina, so why even bring up that state? You already said yourself that he didn't win the working class vote in South Carolina. Why would he say he did then?
The fact that it took you an entire paragraph to try and justify your ridiculous misinterpretation of his words is telling.The fact that it took you an entire paragraph to try to explain away his statement is telling.
take it to DM or something... this is getting embarassing.goo goo ga ga the president has absolutely no political and cultural influence on a country or the policies enacted
think your diapers getting full dude, might wanna call mommy over to change it
its over lol. I knew it was done after biden won SC the way he did and its been overer every moment ever since. if bernard pulls a miracle tomorrow then we'll see but its not going to happen
The ground game is gonna be YUGE.Repeat after me.
Bernie won IA, NH, NV.
Biden came in fourth in IA, fifth in NH, and a very distant second in NV.
Biden has no ground game. Bernie has tons of ground game.
Say this to yourself throughout the entirety of tomorrow.
The polls show this doesn't matter. It's like being up two characters and then Biden makes a level 3 X factor comeback.Repeat after me.
Bernie won IA, NH, NV.
Biden came in fourth in IA, fifth in NH, and a very distant second in NV.
Biden has no ground game. Bernie has tons of ground game.
Say this to yourself throughout the entirety of tomorrow.
The polls show this doesn't matter. It's like being up two characters and then Biden makes a level 3 X factor comeback.
DeSantis shows a blueprint of how to do this in Florida.I don't think just any right wing populist is going to work. Trump's got a charisma and ran as a moderate. He's also an established "billionaire" with decades of mindshare. You can't just pull someone like that out of the ether. Anyone who doesn't do it right is gonna turn people off.
They're pushing for Bernie because of the socialist label. The same label they use for every Democrat. It's watered down. Them preferring Bernie isn't a sign of any future result. Hillary wanted Trump. Clearly didn't work out. Trump can't use his outsider image against Bernie. Bernie has the best record on unions, trade (which Trump admitted privately was the reason he didn't want Bernie as Hillary's VP pick), and doesn't take any money from corporate donors. So yes, Trump has indicated he wants Bernie, yet he's also spent that entire time talking about how the establishment is trying to screw him over. Literally communicating to his dumb base that Bernie has integrity.Well first, if you think the Hunter Biden thing is bad, you haven't seen anything yet. Trump and the entire GOP have literally been pushing for Bernie to be the nominee (and reciting the "rigged" narrative) for the however many months. I'm going to guess they're not doing it because they want to reach across the aisle and vote for him.
Second, (and this one is really getting out of hand) - not everything is a conspiracy. Dropping out and endorsing is literally how politics works. They didn't have a path to become President and want to be a part of Biden's administration. Very similar to what Sanders' surrogate Marianne Williamson did.
This doesn't change the fact that Bernie will fight the hardest to enact positive change. Bernie is the only one willing to campaign in whichever state whichever Dem doesn't help enact said positive change. You're relying on Biden to simply work things out without applying political pressure from the masses.Lmao at you having to resort to personal attacks everytime you reply to me because you aren't capable of relying on your actual arguments. The President doesn't write law. He's not a dictator. He can't just will his agenda into existence. That's literally not how things work. Is this your first election? Serious question.
And equally, I don't understand this argument at all. Someone wins the smaller democratic selectorate. Why does being picked by most Democrats automatically make that person the best to win the general election? They're two different electorates.Whoever wins the primary probably has the best chance in the general. I don't really understand the argument in the other direction.
The polls show this doesn't matter. It's like being up two characters and then Biden makes a level 3 X factor comeback.
TEXAS is huge and Bernie is looking really good there, Beto be damnedI would if I wasn't working tomorrow. Just feel powerless. Doesn't help that California results will take forever to be tallied meaning Sanders potentially loses narrative momentum if it takes too long.
Anyway. Gonna go to sleep and hope for the best. Gonna be a long day.
What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
hillary overwhelmingly won the primary then ate shit in the general. biden is v2 of that but with more senility.Whoever wins the primary probably has the best chance in the general. I don't really understand the argument in the other direction. If that's Bernie it's Bernie, if it's Biden it's Biden. People in a primary aren't being Jedi mind tricked to vote of the candidate they vote for.
In 4 years the left will try again with AOC and we'll be told she's too extreme. The party will form around their preferred candidate and presto! Another 4 more years of fashWhat the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
We give Bernie and AOC a time machine and they alter history.What the fuck is gonna happen to the Democrat party if Biden is the nom and he loses to Trump. It's at a breaking point.
I mean, that last line doesn't work because you claimed his statement was so clear that it was impossible to be misinterpreted. It's not like this is the first time Sanders has done something like this. He weighed in on Mississippi politics by saying that the Mississippi Democratic party did bad because only 10% of white people voted for Obama and 90% of white people there weren't racist. I don't know why he went out of his way to single out the demographic least likely to vote for Obama in Mississippi while I'm sure some absurd number like 90+% of black voters there voted for him. I don't personally know how seriously he takes the black vote, but his constant "my way or the highway" attitude doesn't do him any favors, especially considering the black vote is one demographic he needs more support from.OK cool. Because you were just pretending that you did.
Sometimes people have the wrong figures and accidentally say something that's not true? I don't know. But for you to rush to the interpretation of "wow, he misspoke about South Carolina voters, that must mean he thinks black South Carolinians aren't working class!" is in such bad faith that it makes it very very difficult to engage with anything else you're saying or take it seriously.
The fact that it took you an entire paragraph to try and justify your ridiculous misinterpretation of his words is telling.
A lot of people in the GOP know that trump is going to damage the party long term in the eyes of millennials and if they do not shift soon they might struggle to hold power in a decade or two from nowThere is no way in hell the GOP is returning to Mitt Romney types. They've had great success with a right wing populist, and their next cantidate will be another right wing populist, but probably much much smarter and a crypto fascist.
In 4 years the left will try again with AOC and we'll be told she's too extreme. The party will form around their preferred candidate and presto! Another 4 more years of fash
And equally, I don't understand this argument at all. Someone wins the smaller democratic selectorate. Why does being picked by most Democrats automatically make that person the best to win the general election? They're two different electorates.
i wonder who our third party run is gonna be this time around. hopefully its someone good.
hillary overwhelmingly won the primary then ate shit in the general. biden is v2 of that but with more senility.