Looking forward to building my hype squad and then watching them all get completely eradicated 5 rooms into the dungeon because of bad rolls
Start all new run.
You learn game pretty fast and learn what to do, when to do it etc. It just can take few dead end runs, even if you read wiki and watch a lot lets plays on before hand.
Failure in Darkest Dungeon is fine as you will learn from it, very much intended.
Mod support isn't the same thing as having Steam Workshop, I hope you realize that.The Epic Game Store has mod support now. And early access on the EGS doesn't always mean the game is staying there.
Eh, doesn't sound encouraging. I would hate to get 5 hours into the game and realize I need to start over. And then have it happen again.
Maybe it's not for me. In your description of play, it does sound more like a rogue-like game, which I'm not a fan of for that reason (starting over multiple times).
That is the problem, that's all it is, barely. No mods, big in the community, no input selction or setup, no achievements/screenshots/forums/guides/steams etc... The list goes on and on.
They add stuff to the main game, but I think the game itself warns you to maybe skip enabling them until you've beaten the main game once. They can make things pretty hard.Are the expansions worth it? How are they integrated into the game? Do they add stuff to the main game, or is it all post-campaign addons?
Eh, doesn't sound encouraging. I would hate to get 5 hours into the game and realize I need to start over. And then have it happen again.
Maybe it's not for me. In your description of play, it does sound more like a rogue-like game, which I'm not a fan of for that reason (starting over multiple times).
It's a punishing game about loss, sacrifice and the struggle for redemption. If you aren't even slightly masochistic in your gaming habits, you won't have a good time with it.
Having said that, there is an easy mode, though I'm not sure entirely how it makes the game easier.
Hades isn't the same game or community as Darkest Dungeon, so I don't understand that comparison. Darkest Dungeon in Steam Early Access had a TON of community feedback from Steam Forums / etc. taken into account for the full game. Also, are you seriously advocating for less player choice in how people decide to play their games? Darkest Dungeon in particular has a sizable modding community too so that hits this title especially hard when early access has limited content.It's early access. You need achievements for early access? Mods?
Hades development in early access with EGS turned out perfectly splendid.
oooh i agreeAlso whining about platforms should be thread bannable too if you want to get into it, don't like the platform then don't use it, but actively choosing to not support a game you are likely going to play because you don't like X store doesn't help the developer make the game better.
The general strategy, at least on higher difficulties, is to build multiple parties of characters and steadily expand your recruits so that you have a consistent pool of 'backup' units to replace those that you lose or need weeks off due to stress or treatment. There are also permanent infrastructure upgrades that can give you significant advantages even if you started from scratch. Aside from the modes that have time limits and unit death limits, there is no unwinnable scenario where you will be forced to start a new save file.I don't have a problem with very difficult games, I guess I just need to understand 'why' I would need to start over. Just to be clear, are you saying if I lose party members (as it's permadeath), it's better to start over (and make sure to keep everyone alive), than to recruit a new character after already starting the dungeon?
From what I understand, characters die a LOT in this game, so it sounds like starting over would happen often, then.
My main point on that is we've seen in the past people getting warnings or whatever for platform begging or port begging to Switch, Xbox etc., why not extend that rule to platform begging or whining in regards to PC platforms as well? Whining about the platform it is on doesn't help the thread at all and opens it up for unnecessary conversation. Don't like the platform its on? Don't play it and keep it to yourself.
Your only true party member is your base camp and the upgrades you make to it. Everyone is expendable. In fact, when you start out, it's cheaper to discard your diseased and disturbed party members for fresh recruits over spending the money to bandage them up. If this party I've been building up was able to venture far enough to upgrade my blacksmith a few times for future excursions, they've done their job. Yup, it's that kind of game.I don't have a problem with very difficult games, I guess I just need to understand 'why' I would need to start over. Just to be clear, are you saying if I lose party members (as it's permadeath), it's better to start over (and make sure to keep everyone alive), than to recruit a new character after already starting the dungeon?
From what I understand, characters die a LOT in this game, so it sounds like starting over would happen often, then.
The general strategy, at least on higher difficulties, is to build multiple parties of characters and steadily expand your recruits so that you have a consistent pool of 'backup' units to replace those that you lose or need weeks off due to stress or treatment. There are also permanent infrastructure upgrades that can give you significant advantages even if you started from scratch. Aside from the modes that have time limits and unit death limits, there is no unwinnable scenario where you will be forced to start a new save file.
A lot of the challenge of Darkest Dungeon comes from risk/reward planning and risk mitigation -- there are some people who can't stand to lose a unit or withdraw from an expedition and thus wind up making poor decisions that lead to greater losses. The ever-present RNG factors also keep you from being entirely safe.
It's less whining for whining's sake (platform war or whatever) and more to do with the huge disappointment in the decision to make it exclusive to EGS (for the time being at least) when they previously had tons of valuable feedback and information from the first game thanks to the ease of access of the community forums with steam and the entire mod scene and how everything is integrated.My main point on that is we've seen in the past people getting warnings or whatever for platform begging or port begging to Switch, Xbox etc., why not extend that rule to platform begging or whining in regards to PC platforms as well? Whining about the platform it is on doesn't help the thread at all and opens it up for unnecessary conversation. Don't like the platform its on? Don't play it and keep it to yourself.
I thought this one was going to be snowy themed. Did I make that up?
Hopefully there aren't too many returning classes. I want to see fresh, new takes on the functions that make up a party.
I don't have a problem with very difficult games, I guess I just need to understand 'why' I would need to start over. Just to be clear, are you saying if I lose party members (as it's permadeath), it's better to start over (and make sure to keep everyone alive), than to recruit a new character after already starting the dungeon?
From what I understand, characters die a LOT in this game, so it sounds like starting over would happen often, then.
Hades isn't the same game or community as Darkest Dungeon, so I don't understand that comparison. Darkest Dungeon in Steam Early Access had a TON of community feedback from Steam Forums / etc. taken into account for the full game. Also, are you seriously advocating for less player choice in how people decide to play their games? Darkest Dungeon in particular has a sizable modding community too so that hits this title especially hard when early access has limited content.
Hades went to Steam during Early Access not after. Dec 2019.Hades went to Switch and Steam once it hit full release. The comparison between Hades and DD2 is simply that both went into early access on EGS. Hades did well, and had a ton of community feedback over its course of development. There is no reason why DD2 won't be equally as successful.
If they were to get rid of modding, it'd probably be due to the shift to 3d, not Epic.Can't blame them for taking a money hat, but it would be a shame if DD2 took an immediate step backwards in such an important feature.
The Radiant mode reduces grinding significantly, and post-release changes to the game made it possible to eventually get higher level recruits after some upgrades. The original incarnation of DD before those options was grindy, I will admit. But that is part of the appeal for me so I didn't mind.Ok, thanks for the detailed info!
It does seem interesting will need to give it a shot. I assume with the 'multiple parties', you will want to make sure all of them are relatively equal level as your main one, so they are worthwhile when needing to switch them in. Sounds like a lot of building (grinding?) to make sure you have many strong recruits/parties. I'm ok with that.
Also whining about platforms should be thread bannable too if you want to get into it, don't like the platform then don't use it, but actively choosing to not support a game you are likely going to play because you don't like X store doesn't help the developer make the game better.
Or you could look at it like Hades and see that it is early access, meaning there is likely other platforms it is going to upon full release which could warrant AT THAT TIME the ability to have steam workshop after the developer has finished fine tuning their game.
Oh wait.
Also whining about platforms should be thread bannable too if you want to get into it, don't like the platform then don't use it, but actively choosing to not support a game you are likely going to play because you don't like X store doesn't help the developer make the game better.
complaining about EGS at this point should be tantamount to shitposting and port begging. It's absolutely mind blowing that some of y'all can come into every EGS thread and say "nah, will wait for Steam" before bowing out and not get warned for drive-by's.
You must not pay a lot of attention so I might need to spell it out for you, I was not the one whining about what platform it was on to begin with so you might need to go back and read. EGS is just a launcher, a storefront that Red Hook decided to go with for their Early Access game, which was VERY successful in making Hades into what it is today, a potential GOTY and one of my favorite games of this year. So no, your first two points there to try and attack me are not even related to me, I will buy it on EGS to support the developers, just like I bought Darkest Dungeon 1 on 3 separate platforms, PC, PS4, and Switch."Just a launcher"
"Whining about PC platforms should be bannable just like port begging"
So which is it? Make up your mind. Being upset over exclusivity deals isn't bannable and isn't the same as port begging. Should we ban every Xbox fan for saying "Fuck Sony" in the Final Fantasy XVI thread too?
You seem to willfully ignore everything that's been said in relation as to why nobody thinks EGS is a great thing for this game specifically and just decide to keep cluttering up the thread yourself by telling what should and shouldn't be moderated instead of engaging with the discussion that's completely valid to be had about their choice.You must not pay a lot of attention so I might need to spell it out for you, I was not the one whining about what platform it was on to begin with so you might need to go back and read. EGS is just a launcher, a storefront that Red Hook decided to go with for their Early Access game, which was VERY successful in making Hades into what it is today, a potential GOTY and one of my favorite games of this year. So no, your first two points there to try and attack me are not even related to me, I will buy it on EGS to support the developers, just like I bought Darkest Dungeon 1 on 3 separate platforms, PC, PS4, and Switch.
And yes, we should, because it provides no meaningful conversation other than people throwing their own shit at one another because they don't like X platform. Brings literally no benefit to the conversation whatsoever to just complain about a platform getting a certain game.
Did you like. Understand what I said at all? I never said you were complaining about what platform it was releasing on. I was commenting on how you said we should ban "port begging to different platforms" referring to EGS/Steam/GOG when you just said a few posts prior EGS was just a launcher, not a platform. Maybe if you actually took a second to read before running to make a snarky condescending response you would have picked that up.You must not pay a lot of attention so I might need to spell it out for you, I was not the one whining about what platform it was on to begin with so you might need to go back and read. EGS is just a launcher, a storefront that Red Hook decided to go with for their Early Access game, which was VERY successful in making Hades into what it is today, a potential GOTY and one of my favorite games of this year. So no, your first two points there to try and attack me are not even related to me, I will buy it on EGS to support the developers, just like I bought Darkest Dungeon 1 on 3 separate platforms, PC, PS4, and Switch.
And yes, we should, because it provides no meaningful conversation other than people throwing their own shit at one another because they don't like X platform. Brings literally no benefit to the conversation whatsoever to just complain about a platform getting a certain game.
You know damn well what I meant when I said EGS was just a launcher, so don't try and make some hot GOTCHA moment based off of word choice.Did you like. Understand what I said at all? I never said you were complaining about what platform it was releasing on. I was commenting on how you said we should ban "port begging to different platforms" referring to EGS/Steam/GOG when you just said a few posts prior EGS was just a launcher, not a platform. Maybe if you actually took a second to read before running to make a snarky condescending response you would have picked that up.
Also lets not pretend Hades would have been any worse if they didnt take an EGS exclusivity deal. Supergiant isn't some niche noname company. They're a successful critically acclaimed developer.
So by its just another launcher it means "It works fine for me so that means anyone else having issues with it are invalid because only my opinion matters"You know damn well what I meant when I said EGS was just a launcher, so don't try and make some hot GOTCHA moment based off of word choice.
still have yet to play the first one. Is it completely rogue like or is there progression?