They don't sell their games in only Poland.
Are you really this dense?
So they're obliged to have their product reflect the demographics / social issues of the markets in which the product is sold?
They don't sell their games in only Poland.
Are you really this dense?
The culprit is gone.
Didn't he join some alt right media group?
Asshole.
Game companies are not political parties, they're made up of different people. Just watch the Noclip doc on them.
Of course there are some right minded individuals, but also not, just like in the USA.
So they're obliged to have their product reflect the demographics / social issues of the markets in which the product is sold?
Art direction absolutely matters, and the way that a company sells a game does too. It's possible that there is a good game to be had somewhere down in there but I am tired of sarcastic gun-toting white guys so much
Uh yes. What are you even trying to say? That it's okay for them not to include minorities just because they're a polish developer? meanwhile they include dragons and other fantasy creatures.So they're obliged to have their product reflect the demographics / social issues of the markets in which the product is sold?
So you buy every game that comes out right? Otherwise you're punishing all those game devs.So, about 2 people fucked up in the team, so the way you chose to show your opposition to what they said/did, is not to buy their game so the hundreds of people who worked their ass off on the game, and did nothing wrong, get punished too? ok
So... use the character creator? Did you all start up Mass Effect and just go with white bald Shepherd?
Surely Japan has it beat on that front? Maybe they're most hours per year, though. Most people taking 0 days off per year.
Glad you care more about a gaming company than minorities being shit on publically.So, about 2 people fucked up in the team, so the way you chose to show your opposition to what they said/did, is not to buy their game so the hundreds of people who worked their ass off on the game, and did nothing wrong, get punished too? ok
First we had The Witcher games. White as f despite being a fantasy with zero valid reasons to alienate non-white depictions. They chalk it up to adapting books and being Polish... as a white person with Polish ancestry I thought their answer was totally bland.
Then there's trans issues. They screwed this up on social media more than once as well, and while they possibly replaced one person responsible for the first incident shown below (according to some articles), the second case seemed to end in deleting the tweet and making no positive acknowledgement of trans people. Just an apology that was along the lines of 'sorry to those offended' and ending it there. Do they need to fire someone again? Nope. Should they clarify their views on trans people? I think so.
Then we move on - despite having US offices they don't acknowledge pride or LGBT people as a company with any positive notions. Many gaming companies and outlets both in and out of the USA acknowledge their LGBT employees. Why don't they?
Also who writes "cocksucker" as an insult still for fictional future settings?
Just gonna post what I said last page:So, about 2 people fucked up in the team, so the way you chose to show your opposition to what they said/did, is not to buy their game so the hundreds of people who worked their ass off on the game, and did nothing wrong, get punished too? ok
No I buy games that I like and that seem good to me. We're not talking here to not buy a thing we don't like but boycotting something we do like. Do you really think that the right person will get the right message if you do not buy this game? "Ah yeah we sold 2% less than we thought, shame, let's stop being bad to minorities in our next games", nah, they'll not care. They'll even maybe fire the people who are not that important in the team, to "save money". The heads of CDPR won't be damaged at all by this boycott.So you buy every game that comes out right? Otherwise you're punishing all those game devs.
Of course they get paid, and then many of them will get bonuses if the game is successful as well as increasing their odds of further employment to work on expansions/sequels.Speaking of "punishing" the hundreds of people who worked on the game if you boycott it, I have a genuine question about game development.
If someone, say, a level designer worked on a game for 2 years, then the game gets released and nobody buys it, do they not get paid at all?
I was under the impression that the people working on the game are paid for their services while working on it, not dependant on how much money the game makes.
So who is really being punished here, the poor innocent workers or the people in charge profiting off the sales?
No I buy games that I like and that seem good to me. We're not talking here to not buy a thing we don't like but boycotting something we do like. Do you really think that the right person will get the right message if you do not buy this game? "Ah yeah she sold 2% less than we thought, shame, let's stop being bad to minorities in our next games", nah, they'll not care. They'll even maybe fire the people who are not that important in the team, to "save money". The heads of CDPR won't be damaged at all by this boycott.
I'd say if you wanna defend this cause, give to associations that care about this kind of minorities, but boycotting this game seem useless to me. If someone get "hurt" by this boycott it won't be CDPR heads. :/
A) I can both talk about & critique a company's bigotry and support LGBTQ+ charities.No I buy games that I like and that seem good to me. We're not talking here to not buy a thing we don't like but boycotting something we do like. Do you really think that the right person will get the right message if you do not buy this game? "Ah yeah we sold 2% less than we thought, shame, let's stop being bad to minorities in our next games", nah, they'll not care. They'll even maybe fire the people who are not that important in the team, to "save money". The heads of CDPR won't be damaged at all by this boycott.
I'd say if you wanna defend this cause, give to associations that care about this kind of minorities, but boycotting this game seem useless to me. If someone get "hurt" by this boycott it won't be CDPR heads. :/
Only thing stupid is your reply.This is actually what you're going with? Something this stupid and lacking in empathy?
Speaking of phrases that are super fucked up...Ugh, who cares. To me, you're off the reservation at this point.
I'm certain those people will be worked to the bone. It's their biggest issue because we know it's a company wide problem.I'm imagining it'll be super stressful to reach that early 2020 deadline for everyone on board there at CDPR. I wasn't expecting that release... I'm fearing that there'll be a report on further bad working conditions while we cheer them on.
Listening to Billie Jean and purchasing it are two separate things. I already have Ignition Remix. I already have Chinatown. But I'm not going to support new endeavors by those creators. Cyberpunk isn't out yet and unless the people behind the game's public face make a radical change, many people aren't comfortable giving them money/supporting them. This isn't about how easy or not easy it is to spend $60 so your post is nothing but flippantly lampooning people's concerns on a serious subject.
Thing is, all over the West, it IS an everyday insult. Maybe it's very offensive, but it's quite common.
I saw like four speaking black characters so I'm already impressed lol
This and keep them out of games.Why do social issues matter? I disagree with 99.9999% of the politics of people in the music and movie industry but I still buy their music and watch their movies and TV shows.
Nothing is absent of politics and Cyberpunk in particular as a genre is steeped in politics and social commentary so it should be addressed.This and keep them out of games.
It only causes division when introduced.
This and keep them out of games.
It only causes division when introduced.
I would like to see the Venn diagram between people who may not buy the game due to CDPR's attitudes/working conditions and those will consume pornography (an incredibly abusive industry) later this evening.
Selective outrage is a stable of internet slacktivism.
Not really. It goes to the heart of the matter.
Should I take moral stances on entertainment? If so, it's clearly based on principle. But if I am selective in my outrage, and boycotting is quite easy in either arena, then there is no principle.
Can someone give me a rundown of everything that cd projekt red has done wrong?
Not really. It goes to the heart of the matter.
Should I take moral stances on entertainment? If so, it's clearly based on principle. But if I am selective in my outrage, and boycotting is quite easy in either arena, then there is no principle.
The person who handles their Twitter made a "did you just assume my gender" joke and the only apology for it was basically a non apology of "sorry if we offended you".
It is quite possible to take stand on one issue and not take stand on another issue, and (aside from the fact that it's quite human to do so because we're not all flawless, perfectly consistent robots) it's far better than not take a stand on anything because "hey I'm ignoring this other thing".
You do know not promoting lgbtq+ and poc in videogames is also a political statement? That's the funny thing about politics, it's all around you! It's not just on C-SPAN. So not wanting to engage with politics is like saying you don't want to engage with society.This and keep them out of games.
It only causes division when introduced.
I honestly don't see why people are hyped about this game. It's just another pile of flashy graphics with seemingly no substance. Of course I could be wrong but I got tired of these massive AAA games years ago, they're all very similar and even when one is good enough or mildly different enough it still kinda feels like a drag. That plus their ignorant social media presence is enough for me to just not care.
If people enjoy it good for them, we can't nit pick each other's choice of game, I just don't wanna waste 80 hours running around shooting crap for no reason. I always support anyone who wants to draw any kind of line for a good reason. Doesn't make others wrong, but we need more moral stances in the world today that lies and presents itself as totally amoral.