Probably shouldn't be comparing shootbang cyberpunk video game set 50 years in the future to the work of Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese, (a lot of their work is also set in the past or modern day btw).
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Cyberpunk 2077 Gameplay Demo
- Thread starter vestan
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This is how I speak mandarin as third generation Taiwanese-American, rings very true and authentic to me.
Okay fine, suggest some dialogue changes then
Would it have the same effect if he called them dirt-lickers or something?
Nonsense words or fake-insults would feel silly
Well said but prepare for the reSeTeRA hAs a problEm WITH sweAR woRDS hot takes.
Damn you beat me to it. Crazy that that game came out 18 years ago.
This is the real question. I'd hope Mike Pondsmith would help them understand this area. Do ya'll devs even know what a well-lined up taper fade looks like?
Looks super impressive, the density of the city is something else. The character models are also a huge improvement. The art, cloth, weapon designs are all top-notch.
Gameplay-wise it's mainly Deus Ex HR with a higher budget. Not a fan of this type of gameplay. Third-person would have make me much more interested. The slow-mo moves look like fun. I understand why they chose first person. It's just simpler with this level of interaction and realism.
Gameplay-wise it's mainly Deus Ex HR with a higher budget. Not a fan of this type of gameplay. Third-person would have make me much more interested. The slow-mo moves look like fun. I understand why they chose first person. It's just simpler with this level of interaction and realism.
In a game where you can customize so much, I have a gut feeling you can at least minimize elements or change HUD elements. Especially in a techy futuristic game.
Doesnt look very Cyberpunk though. That's my only big issue. Where's the big night time city scape?
I mean the Mike (the creator of cyberpunk) is black and is involved with the game so maybe?
It's going to be the year 2077 of our lord and black people still can't get waves in their hair. Lol Mike should come through for the culture.
Even with the rest of that sentence you take makes no sense.
I'll just wait and see how this turns out. After reading the E3 impressions my hype returned a little but now after seeing this it's clear that it is nothing like that very first teaser trailer with the woman a few years ago. The tone and setting there seemed to be much darker, more serious and more .....a different style altogether. The E3 trailer disappointed me in that regard and sadly it continues after this footage.
After that first trailer a few years ago I just pictured a totally different looking game, art style etc.
After that first trailer a few years ago I just pictured a totally different looking game, art style etc.
Finished watching the entire thing and honestly it didn't really do a whole lot for me. Sure it looks great but that was expected. From a RPG perspective I really didn't see much in there that looked impressive and it seemed to copy their formula with witcher 3 where a lot of it is on the shallow end to appeal to more people who prefer streamlined experiences. I don't want to be too critical since it is just a very early demo but everything I saw in there seemed to be on the same level as lots of modern "RPGs" and even things like Deus Ex MD. Most conversations only had 1-3 choices, I was told that there's lots of choices in quests but I didn't actually see anything in the vid. It looked like you could either shoot the place up immediately or talk for a bit and then shoot the place up. Where are the skill checks in dialogue? I saw 0 the entire video, so they need to do better there. The whole thing felt very guided and cinematic which again it's hard to tell how much of that was just the demo or if that's where they're aiming (my gut tells me the latter, since it's what the masses and the media prefer).
Then again the more I think about it the more I'm starting to think New Vegas ruined gaming for me and we're never going to see another RPG on its level ever again. The amount of choices and skill checks that game had, with like less than 2 years of development, becomes more and more insane to me as time goes on. I really hope CDPR improves on the systems and stats in the game from here until launch because they have the cinematic stuff that everyone loves too much down already. It's time to work on the meat of the game now. I really do hope they can pull it off.
Then again the more I think about it the more I'm starting to think New Vegas ruined gaming for me and we're never going to see another RPG on its level ever again. The amount of choices and skill checks that game had, with like less than 2 years of development, becomes more and more insane to me as time goes on. I really hope CDPR improves on the systems and stats in the game from here until launch because they have the cinematic stuff that everyone loves too much down already. It's time to work on the meat of the game now. I really do hope they can pull it off.
For me it would all depend on the execution, certain swear words used and presented for simple flavor that does not add to the themes being explored would be bad. But, they can use racial or any other slurs they may like if they actually tackle those issues.
You're kidding me, right? Got any more false equivalencies to throw around?
For starters, don't use "pussy", use something generic like "weak shit" instead. Don't use "cunt" (especially if the game is supposed to take place in LA and not in Australia or the UK), use literally anything else that isn't a gendered slur.
And fictional universes use made-up slurs all the fuckin' time. This isn't a new problem specific to Cyberpunk 2077. Don't make excuses for them.
Why not? Aren't video games aspiring to be viewed as art the same way as films? Also we're talking about a distant future that has degenerated not gotten better, so it stands to reason that people are still using loaded and racially infused slurs.
1. UI is probably early days, but yeah it needs cleaning up. They confirmed you can turn off damage numbers though.
2. Yup, car chase is probably the worst part of the demo, though I didn't think it looked bad per se. Just not up to the standard of the rest of it
3. Did you not see the bullet holes or the giant piece of wall blown out during the earlier gunfight? The boss weapon looked more like some kind of force energy
4. As already discussed, detail and density -- especially given each NPC has their own schedule and agenda -- are at a level we haven't seen before, so I'm not sure how that's not impressive
I think the game with Ciri may be their next project after CP2077.
From what I've heard, Thronebreaker campaign for Gwent is going to be more like The Banner Saga, but with combat and puzzles in a form of playing Gwent.
Of all the things to complain about i never thought id see an era thread where theres objections to words like pussy.
I think most would agree that street-slang and gutter-talk absolutely have a place in appropriate settings. I doubt you'd find anyone suggesting the Cyberpunk cast should be speaking in Shakespearean early/modern English. People (including myself) adore Tarantino movies and those push the limits of vulgarity.
My problem was that the dialogue just didn't feel like it was written very well. It felt like it was trying to hard to be edgy. Like an elementary kid just learning to swear, making every third word they speak a vulgarity. The flow doesn't feel natural or authentic at all. It feels forced.
It's incredibly disheartening coming off of Witcher 3, which basically wrote the book on nuanced and sophisticated character interplay. Perhaps only rivaled my Naughty Dog or Rockstar's impeccable work in script and voice acting.
I'm still on board with 2077. And I fully understand that it's a work in progress. I'll be there Day One.
It's just that about the very last thing I expected to walk away with feeling underwhelmed was the quality of writing and voice acting. It's almost like seeing a mainline Mario debut video where the jumping mechanics looks like crap.
It's not the real world, though, it's a fictional video game set in a fictional sci-fi universe. They've made the very conscious decision to carry over these kinds of current-day swear words and the implications they hold into that universe even though they've changed and gotten rid of many other aspects of our current-day world and even though using these specific terms adds nothing whatsoever to the experience that couldn't be achieved using other, less problematic terms.
Because A)The implication is that neither of those people caught criticism for it. and B)The settings of those films is hella different than shootbang cyberpunk video game.
Indeed, it's way too bright. Reminds me of this.
Not cyberpunk at all.
Totally agree with this. I even feel as if it's a recurring theme in this type of open world game. Any time you have to shoot out of a vehicle that you're not steering it's just awful. It doesn't feel good, it doesn't look good, and it's not fun.
Fortunately it's a pretty small complaint lmao
I state my take is invalid.
and then you state my take is wrong.
cool.
basically comes down to
me: ' i'm not impressed by it atm, but sure i will be when its done"
you: "your wrong not to be impressed! grr"
It's supposed to be an ugly and terrible world through and through.
If someone thinks calling someone a pussy is okay because a THUG in a video-game says it, well then he/she is no better than the thug
It shows that despite the advancement in tech humans are still as awful as ever, we STILL haven't grown up
You could also say it's a reflection of our current society, the worst parts made obvious.
So when you hear "pussy" in the game, you have the same gross reaction you would as in real life, that's the point
Nicely said, it's how I'm feeling about the dialogue as well. Not sure if it'll be a day 1 purchase for me, but I'm stoked to see what CDPR's got cooking.
So you made a ridiculous comparison knowing that it was ridiculous but decided to go with a bad take anyway? That's a bold strategy cotton.
I just finished the video, and it was amazing.
Like, absolutely incredible. So many choices, so many options, and I love the RPG stats on everything.
Only thing was the jacking in. It was really obtuse looking, but it's not even close to being done. If anyone can do it, they can.
Like, absolutely incredible. So many choices, so many options, and I love the RPG stats on everything.
Only thing was the jacking in. It was really obtuse looking, but it's not even close to being done. If anyone can do it, they can.
Yeah, sure. If homophobia and sexism are themes they actively explore in the game, by all means, use words like cocksucker and pussy to illustrate that.
You could have not taken the corrupted chip and just bought the robot without resorting to violence.
But yeah, I don't think people should expect that much depth from the conversation system when it comes to RPG features, it's probably based more on actions than through requirements, it looks deeper than Witcher 3 in some ways but less than New Vegas.
Witcher 3 had a super basic skill check system so I assume they got rid of that since it was basically a waste.
I feel like just because its called Cyberpunk: 2077 doesn't mean it has to be some accurate portrayal of what whoever believes the next 50 years will bring. Some futuristic setting can kind of be portrayed however someone wants. Why couldn't someone use Tarantino's style as an element in their own rendition of any setting?
Really now? I'm comparing two types of media, tell me why are movies, books, comics, graphic novels allowed and not video games.
A) They did, but they shouldn't be forbidden from using any language they see fit to convey their films same as CDPR with their video games.
B) It's a setting filled with degenerates and a society that has collapsed, yes it stands to reason such language would be fairly common like when I walk into a bar.
I couldn't stop laughing when the NPC voice line kept playing "Jesus christ my legs" even after his head got shot off. Quintessential video game idiosyncrasy right there.
I hope Jackie's voice isn't the one we get if you choose a male character... And I hope the character customization is deep enough to make him not look and sound like a rough looking meathead. I have no interest in being forced to play that kind of character.
Yeah everything I've seen here looks good but I am wondering about those hairstyles.
agree i ampretty underwelmed after how good ghosts of tshushima, last of us 2 and spider man all look, graphicswise. not to mention it doesn't really look all that much better than horzion or god of war and nowhere near as good as detroit.
underwelmed like many others in this thread with what is essentilly a watch_dogs 2 clone with rpg elements...
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