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Cornell Student Strips to Underwear for Thesis After Prof Questions Outfit
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The notion of a male gaze and responsibility on women to dress to avoid being a distraction is not something that is exclusively done by men. Women can do it too.
The professor makes the same remarks about men. Her overall point also isn't to shame anyone
To say that how you dress doesn't affect how people perceive you would be to simply deny reality
Hey, you should read this post.
To say that the way women dress is viewed the same as the way men dress would be to simply deny reality
Yeah, but that's not what the professor is about. Have you never had a public speaking class? You dress up for presentations, she was just emphasizing the fact she probably shouldn't wear shorts to a thesis presentation.
I am honestly not arguing that the professor was being sexist or blaming her, but the misunderstanding is itself understandable given the context. There does not appear to be much of an animosity between the student and professor to my best understanding, and the student's point is one that is valid to make, even if the original reason for why it is being made is no longer valid.
I still side with Chai. I understand the professor's intentions, but it's a point that needs to be challenged more often. It kinda feels like something a professor thought was smart to do 20 years ago and has kept doing with every class since.
By telling her she is inviting men to look at her body if she does.
It's one thing to say don't wear shorts to formal presentations, it's an entirely different subject to say don't wear shorts because then men will look at you sexually.
Correct men are expected to dress professionally, not sure what the point of the comment is though but i'm laughing so much ....
Ah read the read of your troll comment, I'd give it a 2/10 for effort.
THE PROFESSOR DIDN'T SAY THAT.
Read:
I'm a mathematician, and I just gave one last week in a Killswitch Engage tee shirt. Some academics are stuffier than others, but honestly, I couldn't care less about pearl clutching.
Give one example of a professional man and a woman that is as you stated "how fuck-able the women is. Aka male gaze as the professor states."
Wrong. That did not happen. It's probably what the student wishes would have been said to validate her totally inappropriate 'protest' though.
User Warned: Antagonizing members and accusing them of trolling.
You're a creep and quite obviously a troll. Congrats on your replies ;)
I'm not seeing an issue with the professor or girl. Prof not wrong with saying you are going to be judge with how you present yourself, regardless of how open minded someone is. While girl isn't wrong either with saying it has a lot to do with the "male" gaze.
Of course I'd be the idiot making stripping jokes and probably bring my pole while taking off my pants. So I'm not the best person to question.
Of course I'd be the idiot making stripping jokes and probably bring my pole while taking off my pants. So I'm not the best person to question.
People didn't stop expecting others to dress appropriately in a professional setting 20 years ago though. The advice isn't outdated at all.
I think it should be noted that there are pretty big differences in terms of dress code for business and academia.
In universities its usually very lax. I went to my undergrad viva and presentation in jeans and a T-shirt. No one said anything.
That doesn't mean I am a fan of dress codes in business.
In universities its usually very lax. I went to my undergrad viva and presentation in jeans and a T-shirt. No one said anything.
That doesn't mean I am a fan of dress codes in business.
Neither party seems 'In the wrong' in this - it seems like there was the one student who said something inappropriate, but the professor never said anything wrong and there was just a bit of a miscommunication. Ultimately the student turned the discussion into a statement in its own right.
That doesn't mean stripping to your underwear would be appropriate in an interview or at the office, but I think given all the info there it worked just fine in this context.
That doesn't mean stripping to your underwear would be appropriate in an interview or at the office, but I think given all the info there it worked just fine in this context.
Pretty much. If it's a practice session why bother?
The real thing is different. I feel like dressing accordingly it's kind of giving more respect to the setting and the work you're exposing.
We were expected to dress up to some extent when I gave the presentation for my Master's thesis. Definitely not suit and tie level, but dressing more casually than a "business casual" type outfit would have been seen as disrespectful. Even in classes my cohort often dressed similarly when we gave presentations that were graded.
Not sure what "very lax" means to you but I've never seen anyone present in jeans and a t-shirt past intro-level courses, and I wouldn't consider bachelor's coursework to be indicative of "academia."
Why assume the "real world" will beat them down when they may be the ones beating down barriers in the "real world"? Change happens because people make an effort to change things.
What she did was incredibly brave! Content of words and character trump superficial wardrobe conduct.
A viva for a thesis is not coursework. I did my masters viva in jeans and a long sleeved shirt. Will probably do the same for my PhD.
It would be far more inappropriate for the examiners to comment on your appearance during an exam. Which is what happened here.
I also realise it differs between countries. I hear its basically ceremony with robes and whatnot in the netherlands for example.
By omitting it you are steering the conversation in the way you want it to go but I suspect you already know that.
I think stripping down during the thesis was a bit much.
That said, if my proffessors back in Uni ever tried to make a point about what I was wearing at the time and use that as a stepping stone to start talking about what's appropriate or not to the entire class, I'd be making a trip straight to the Student office and filing a complaint. Especially if I was a woman and it was about the length of my shorts.
That said, if my proffessors back in Uni ever tried to make a point about what I was wearing at the time and use that as a stepping stone to start talking about what's appropriate or not to the entire class, I'd be making a trip straight to the Student office and filing a complaint. Especially if I was a woman and it was about the length of my shorts.
Her protest, regardless of the inciting incident, is entirely valid.
There seems to be more animosity for the student by people on Era than there is between the student and professor.
It also reminds of Mark Wahlberg holding the production of that one movie hostage. So many people talk about his moxie to extort money from the production company. Here, a student is using this as a platform to make a point that is valid regardless of any potential miscommunication, and it legitimately seems to cause offense. No one's getting fired, and no one seems to be seeking her dismissal.
Different cultures at different schools I guess. Like I said, that would have been pretty unheard of at the state college I went to. I doubt you'd be reprimanded or anything and so far as I know there was no formal dress code, but everyone dressed at least a little nicer than that of their own accord.
You see some of us live in and participate in the real world.
I did both at the same time for Science, believe it or not.
There is a sense of pride when you present your thesis and pretty much a given you make an effort.
Because so many of was were so brave in college. Then real life happened.
And in the real world, she's getting noticed and getting attention. Her message is getting traction. A thesis is at its best when it's able to make an impact and has influence.
I don't understand your first sentence.
Regarding the second, If a sense of effort is not conveyed in the presentation or the 200 page document you have presented, a nice wardrobe will not make up for it.
Underwear-only is definitely not business casual.
This is about breaking out of a business casual mold, not trying to redefine business casual.
It's not difficult sweetheart, read the post I quoted again. <3
And then ask again.
Whats with the hostility, I asked you to clarify what you meant because I can't understand it.
She's right.
They turned to see who had said that - it was none other than Albert Einstein.
The reason it's getting traction is because it's a 'sexy story' for the media.
I gave you a love heart and asked you to read my post again?
That ain't hostility, that's friendship.
What do you (exactly) want me to clarify?
Why be demeaning? "Sweetheart"? Come on
You're just saying pretty much the same thing the person I quoted said, I don't know why you quoted me or where we're supposed to go from here. I don't know where this mythical "real world" is and why she is somehow not a part of it, and I read stories all the time about brave people who buck the defeatism you're presenting. Look at someone like Emma Gonzalez, I bet there's a ton of shitheads who said things like "oh she can have her fun now but wait till she enters the real world", like what does that even mean? or the kids walking out of school because of gun violence, I bet plenty of people said "yeah but they would never walk out of their JOB like that!"
Is it just a way to diminish what a young person does or is it jealousy that others aren't doing things like that?
Sure, but people are talking about it. That's the point. And undeniably, there are a lot of people who are celebrating her for tackling this issue.
