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residentgrigo

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Did they ever go back on the Bludhaven nuke thing? Or is it still a crater in the ground with thousands dead?
The city remained dead in the pre-2011 canon and is seen in the (abysmal) Battle for Blüdhaven mini and Final Crisis. Darkseid decided to move in during that event. This could be where Zack Snyder got his idea for Chernobyl in JLA Part 1 and what was planned in the unnamed film 5 where the earth is terraformed by Darkseid with the twin cities of Gotham and Metropolis (a Silver Age idea) taking its place.
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The Chemo drop by the Brotherhood of Evil killed and irradiated a few hundred thousand even before DS moved in. The city returned in the N52 and Rebirth so it´s "save" again. DC canon is a trash fire.
Final Crisis partially remade Seven Soldiers: Mister Miracle by again Morrison btw. Great comic:

Chuck Dixon accused DC of deliberately killing his creations around the mid-00s. He is a problematic man but these accusations have some merit. Some of the "gritties" DC comics ever were published around that time. Their legacy is sometimes troubled. From Batman: War Games:
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Edit: I´ll spare you the rest now that I looked at some other pages. The whole event is THE definition of a good idea gone. Stephanie wasn´t the only woman done dirty for no reason there. Never fill a 1 year-long event about a gang war with endless sexist art. That´s my takeaway. One Year Later 2006 was a godsend for all but Nightwing.
 
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Naijaboy

The Fallen
Mar 13, 2018
15,401
At this point I wonder if Marvel is purposely giving the absolute worst writers to do solo America Chavez books.

Which is a shame because her backstory and powers along could make for an amazing run.
 

Sandfox

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,743
At this point I wonder if Marvel is purposely giving the absolute worst writers to do solo America Chavez books.

Which is a shame because her backstory and powers along could make for an amazing run.
She has a new mini series that was announced before everything shut down so we'll see how it goes.
 

Mars People

Comics Council 2020
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Oct 25, 2017
18,213
The city remained dead in the pre-2011 canon and is seen in the (abysmal) Battle for Blüdhaven mini and Final Crisis. Darkseid decided to move in during that event. This could be where Zack Snyder got his idea for Chernobyl in JLA Part 1 and what was planned in the unnamed film 5 where the earth is terraformed by Darkseid with the twin cities of Gotham and Metropolis (a Silver Age idea) taking its place.
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The Chemo drop by the Brotherhood of Evil killed and irradiated a few hundred thousand even before DS moved in. The city returned in the N52 and Rebirth so it´s "save" again. DC canon is a trash fire.
Final Crisis partially remade Seven Soldiers: Mister Miracle by again Morrison btw. Great comic:

Chuck Dixon accused DC of deliberately killing his creations around the mid-00s. He is a problematic man but these accusations have some merit. Some of the "gritties" DC comics ever were published around that time. Their legacy is sometimes troubled. From Batman: War Games:
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Edit: I´ll spare you the rest now that I looked at some other pages. The whole event is THE definition of a good idea gone. Stephanie wasn´t the only woman done dirty for no reason there. Never fill a 1 year-long event about a gang war with endless sexist art. That´s my takeaway. One Year Later 2006 was a godsend for all but Nightwing.
Stephanie got done super dirty by DC in my opinion.
I remember when they let her be Batgirl for all of 5 minutes before thowing the character away again.

As to DC continuity, I just don't think about it anymore.
What is canon anymore in DC?
Nobody knows.
Does DC even know?
Do they care?
I think the best idea is to treat it like a sort of classic golden age of nothing really matters, just enjoy the stories.
 

residentgrigo

Banned
Oct 30, 2019
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What is canon anymore in DC?
Nobody knows.
Does DC even know?
Do they care?
I think the best idea is to treat it like a sort of classic golden age of nothing really matters, just enjoy the stories.

Bob Haney had all of that sorted out in the late 50 to the early 70s. DC´s canon was VERY loose back then but he was infamous for walking all over even those loose connections and base catheterizations. Just treat every DC comic that isn´t a direct sequel and is written by the same author like a Haney comic and you will be fine:
comicsalliance.com

The 7 Craziest Comics of Bob Haney: From JFK Shapeshifters to Satanic Nazis

The 7 Craziest Comics of Bob Haney: From JFK Shapeshifters to Satanic Nazis
But yeah. Rebirth's lack of direction, Doomsday Clock being half-canon (?), Didio´s exist, 5G not happening (?), those incomprehensible Bendis books, what is happening with Metal and what is going on with JLA right now has even me confused. So I give up till someone decides to step in.
Might as well bring Hyper Time back...

Stephanie as Batgirl was amazing btw (that´s Damian):
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Edit: Forgot how weird JLA has been for like 2 years. It´s now a flashback book. Huh?
 
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RocketKiss

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Oct 30, 2017
4,691
Jason Aaron's Conan is good stuff. And there are some damn fine artists on the run. A good Conan story is best in life.
 

Mars People

Comics Council 2020
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Oct 25, 2017
18,213
Bob Haney had all of that sorted out in the late 50 to the early 70s. DC´s canon was VERY loose back then but he was infamous for walking all over even those loose connections and base catheterizations. Just treat every DC comic that isn´t a direct sequel and is written by the same author like a Haney comic and you will be fine:
comicsalliance.com

The 7 Craziest Comics of Bob Haney: From JFK Shapeshifters to Satanic Nazis

The 7 Craziest Comics of Bob Haney: From JFK Shapeshifters to Satanic Nazis

Stephanie as Batgirl was amazing btw (that´s Damian):
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This was amazing, I think about that story often.

I really fucking hate DC sometimes. Every single time something good or interesting or fun happens, five minutes later its retconed or changed or completely forgotten.
Cuz we gotta go back to da silver age, gotta have Barbara as Batgirl cuz thats what I remember.
I'm honestly surprised Damian managed to survive without being retconned out of existence.
I guess being a Morrison creation shielded him somewhat.

Twice they have given Superman a son now. And twice they have taken his son away!!
They can't leave anything alone!
 
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Batman and GL largely transitioned intact because Morrison and Johns were still writing them.

edit: Remember in September when the N52 is 10 years old, all internet commenters will be legally required to get over it.
 
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residentgrigo

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Oct 30, 2019
3,726
Germany
Zero Hour was the very first DC event I ever read as a kid:
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Reading it and the many tie-ins makes JoJo's Bizarre Adventure or the other Crisis events look like Dilbert.
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Not good but HIGHLY recommended. It´s a miracle that my man Dan Jurgens wasn´t put into an asylum after writing that... epic.
The stink of the comic and the way it wrecked DC canon continued to fester for a few years:
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Here is the section on the modern canon the comic brought to the table. Not for long of course.
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Hypertime was next and came in 1998. Kingdom Come has a full-on sequel you all! It´s meh.
Infinite Crisis was in 2005/6, then came Final Crisis, then Flashpoint, then... DC has no real canon. End of story.
 
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RocketKiss

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Oct 30, 2017
4,691
What was even the point of aging up Jon Kent? You take like one of the few (and a good one) kids in DC and make him just another teen titan or whatever the fuck he is now? I don't read much current DC canon stuff, but I actually read and enjoyed Super Sons and the Superman series he was in. Buncha boneheads over there at that company.
 

Sibersk Esto

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Pretty sure aging up Jon and sticking in the Legion aka the future was so they could just pull the trigger on making him "the son of Superman who takes up the mantle", which is the subtext to his character but due to the nature of comics won't actually be realized (until 5G, but that isn't happening)
 

SpaceSong

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11,017
Edit: Rich is an asshole but he reported on all the 4 major MeToo cases in comics during the last 2 weeks. Let him rage about tomato sauce. Lol.
Edit2: There are 5 major cases due to the CBLDF thing. He also reported on that.
Doesn't look like he's reported on the Geoff Johns one at all. IDK, I think it's good to point out that he hasn't reported anything on it yet. Guy is incredibly self serving when it comes to reporting that stuff when it's a big news story. The dude placates and courts ComicsGate when it benefits him. Marsha Cooke even took time to say to stop visiting his site in the midst of all of this because he's terrible at reporting, amateurish and is more destructive than informative of the industry. Please don't cap for Rich...
 

residentgrigo

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3,726
Germany
DC's very soul is wild and messy continuity.

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Bob Haney is part of this mess but not fully responsible:
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Comic Legends: The Truth Behind Wonder Girl Becoming a Teen Titan

In a brand-new Comic Book Legends Revealed, discover the truth behind Wonder Girl's addition to the Teen Titans!
Donna and Hawkman have the worst canon of all time...

Jon will be aged up even more, G5 or not, and will wear the actual trunks. I know my Bendis. That has to be his endgame. Let´s hope him going away one day will be cleaner than with Chris Kent in the late 00s. What a bust that was (he is now the regular son of Zod named Lor-Zod in Rebirth):

@SpaceSong BC has a policy of reaching out to MeToo victims before reporting. So he will wait till that is squared away or till something else happens so he/they can report on that. Sounds fine to me. Rich and Ellis are/were friends and he busted his balls big time. Rich and Johns have no connection I know of. It´s also a DC story and he loves to stick it to them. Just wait.
 
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RocketKiss

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4,691
I never understood the obsession with someone 'new' taking up the mantle of an old hero. Instead of being a new Superman or Batman be a different hero! Create something new and unique, like Punchline! At least she's not Harley Junior.
 

SpaceSong

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Oct 25, 2017
11,017
I never understood the obsession with someone 'new' taking up the mantle of an old hero. Instead of being a new Superman or Batman be a different hero! Create something new and unique.
Sales.

@SpaceSong BC has a policy of reaching out to MeToo victims before reporting. So he will wait till that is squared away or till something else happens so he/they can report on that. Sounds fine to me. Rich and Ellis are/were friends and he busted his balls big time. Rich and Johns have no connection I know of. It´s also a DC story and he loves to stick it to them. Just wait.
I am sure he will handle it with the same level of care he puts into all of his writing. Typos, vague suggestions and self-congratulating all. I don't doubt there will be a story. But it's not like he can't put up the initial story about it after it's happened nearly over 12 hours ago at this point.
 
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Hellers

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Oct 27, 2017
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I never understood the obsession with someone 'new' taking up the mantle of an old hero. Instead of being a new Superman or Batman be a different hero! Create something new and unique, like Punchline! At least she's not Harley Junior.

Superboy could grow up to be Powerman and have a window for his abs.
 

residentgrigo

Banned
Oct 30, 2019
3,726
Germany
Member when Superboy Prime had to "grow up" for legal reasons:
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It´s also why Superboy/Conner died in Infinite Crisis. Such bullshit. The wrong sidekick died. Simple as that.

@SpaceSong Rich has dyslexia. Thus the typos. Not having an editor is the real problem.
Where is my editor? I need one.
 
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Comics!!! |OT| August 2020 | Something about spilling seed on the ground.
 

CoolestSpot

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Oct 25, 2017
17,325
Rebirth took 18 months to cancel their first comic. The New 52 took eight. Also, that reboot was pointless. If you're going to reboot, make Superman black. Make Green Lantern into a pansexual, swashbuckling Captain Kirk. Make Green Arrow trans. Do something different that makes me go "well you couldn't have done this with the old universe". They just made everyone young.

And Nightwing's book was fine when Peter Tomasi took over. One of the best comics on the stands.
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Should of done this
 

CoolestSpot

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Oct 25, 2017
17,325
That's why they should've done Ultimate DC. That would've been a better move than making Batman 25.
Double posting, but yes. N52 should of been an ultimate sideline universe, and slowly rework those best ideas into the main universe like Marvel did.

Bob Haney had all of that sorted out in the late 50 to the early 70s. DC´s canon was VERY loose back then but he was infamous for walking all over even those loose connections and base catheterizations. Just treat every DC comic that isn´t a direct sequel and is written by the same author like a Haney comic and you will be fine:
comicsalliance.com

The 7 Craziest Comics of Bob Haney: From JFK Shapeshifters to Satanic Nazis

The 7 Craziest Comics of Bob Haney: From JFK Shapeshifters to Satanic Nazis
But yeah. Rebirth's lack of direction, Doomsday Clock being half-canon (?), Didio´s exist, 5G not happening (?), those incomprehensible Bendis books, what is happening with Metal and what is going on with JLA right now has even me confused. So I give up till someone decides to step in.
Might as well bring Hyper Time back...

Stephanie as Batgirl was amazing btw (that´s Damian):
steph%2Band%2Bdamian.jpg

Edit: Forgot how weird JLA has been for like 2 years. It´s now a flashback book. Huh?
A bob haney reference? In 2020? One of my favorite comic writers, period, and I mean that FULL STOP.
 

CoolestSpot

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,325
" For me, Wally West was a core concept issue. My problem with Wally was that his origin was always dependent on [his uncle and previous Flash] Barry Allen. He was never his own character. He was always going to be subservient to Barry in some way because his origin was determined by Barry. There was always a Flash in front of him and his powers were because of him. I always felt, as a true Flash, if we were trying to get to the simplest form with regards to media and things like that, we had to go back to Barry because the story starts with him. "

this is an interesting editorial way of looking at it, but the success of miles in current day tells me there is a million ways to get around it and let a character shine.
 

Mars People

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" For me, Wally West was a core concept issue. My problem with Wally was that his origin was always dependent on [his uncle and previous Flash] Barry Allen. He was never his own character. He was always going to be subservient to Barry in some way because his origin was determined by Barry. There was always a Flash in front of him and his powers were because of him. I always felt, as a true Flash, if we were trying to get to the simplest form with regards to media and things like that, we had to go back to Barry because the story starts with him. "

this is an interesting editorial way of looking at it, but the success of miles in current day tells me there is a million ways to get around it and let a character shine.
He's talking bollocks in my opinion.
Like you said, legacy characters can thrive on their own, without just being a knock off of the original. Wally proved this, Miles proves this.
 

mreddie

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Oct 26, 2017
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"Where's the outrage you had for me when artists don't get credit?"

Umm dude, you made a joke about people getting sexually harassed you piece of shit.

 

BKatastrophe

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Oct 28, 2017
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I feel like DC's managed to make mantles a very important part of the fabric of the DCU from a creative standpoint given the importance of legacy. Look at the Robin and GL 80th specials. From a sales perspective, it's damn near impossible for new characters to break out without being under a mantle or tied deeply into a previous franchise first.
Was that really important?
Bringing back the Legion of Superheroes? That's a silly question. That's like asking if it's really important to bring back any character or property. The LoSH has long been tied to Superman, so they aged Jon up and sent him with the Legion to use him as the proxy. A new "Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes," a very Golden Age concept in the modern day.

Superboy could grow up to be Powerman and have a window for his abs.
It was stupid when Huntress did it, and I'm pretty sure the last Powerboy is still the one that stalked and beat Supergirl
 

residentgrigo

Banned
Oct 30, 2019
3,726
Germany
"Fan art" No Depth. Here is how WW met Lara Croft:
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Crossover Fanart from the Author of Sunstone

6245 votes and 158455 views on Imgur: The magic of the Internet
There is more. His Harley comic also started as fan art. Not the first DC artists to do softcore porn with their IP. Paging Bruce Timm.

Stjepan Šejić - Keeping the Fanfic Going and What Could Have Been in Justice League Odyssey

Some people come into creating corporate storytelling through writing fanfic or fanart. It's a way to stretch and practice working within a certain arena,

Donna had it rough for... a long time. Her getting WW´s born from clay origin is great though. She is also good on DCU´s Titans show.
 
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Canucked

Comics Council 2020 & Chicken Chaser
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Oct 25, 2017
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Zero Hour was the very first DC event I ever read as a kid:
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Reading it and the many tie-ins makes JoJo's Bizarre Adventure or the other Crisis events look like Dilbert.
Hawkman-Zero-Hour.jpg
IMG_7175.jpg
Pregnant2.png
zero-hour-00-04.jpg

RCO002.jpg
zero-hour-00-16.jpg

Not good but HIGHLY recommended. It´s a miracle that my man Dan Jurgens wasn´t put into an asylum after writing that... epic.
The stink of the comic and the way it wrecked DC canon continued to fester for a few years:
649935.jpg


Here is the section on the modern canon the comic brought to the table. Not for long of course.
DvieGKIWkAANgPo


Hypertime was next and came in 1998. Kingdom Come has a full-on sequel you all! It´s meh.
Infinite Crisis was in 2005/6, then came Final Crisis, then Flashpoint, then... DC has no real canon. End of story.

I'm reading Zero Hour now and man is it a really fun event. Every issue it hitting it.
 

residentgrigo

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Oct 30, 2019
3,726
Germany
Flash was on one ep of Superman TAS and then went over to JL(U). He has no deep changes, unlike Aquaman and GL who got switched from Kyle to John.
dcau.fandom.com

Flash

The Flash, real name Wally West, was a young, popular superhero from Central City and a founding member of the Justice League. Apart from his vast speed powers, Wally's most significant quality was his approachability, that many said made him the "heart of the Justice League". In his civilian...

He is Barry, has his job and is the first/only Flash BUT he has Wally´s personality from the late 80s to the mid-90s. The one other Flash was from the weird JSA thing:
dcau.fandom.com

Justice Guild of America

The Justice Guild of America was a team of superheroes based in Seaboard City on an alternate Earth. On the "mainstream" Earth, the Justice Guild were believed to be fictional characters, having appeared in popular comic books of the mid-20th century; evidently the comics' writers somehow...
 
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