are u quite sure?I agree with you that such people exists and that's a problem, doesn't make the opposite not a problem though.
are u quite sure?I agree with you that such people exists and that's a problem, doesn't make the opposite not a problem though.
Wouldn't the story and the response be "she shouldn't have refused them service" then?
Seems like she was fucked in one way or another as a manager no matter what she did once this asshole tried to make her into Chipotle Charlene.
For violating corporate policy? The policy exists to protect the company and its employees.Is it possible for her to file a wrongful termination suit against Chipotle? Harder to do if it is a at will state.
If we're talking about media outcry, then fine, if we're talking about people participating on this forum giving the benefit of the doubt to the Black person, then you lost me.I agree with you that such people exists and that's a problem, doesn't make the opposite not a problem though.
Yeah, I mean it turns me on as well when a woman loses her job because of a media outcry despite a lack of information in this case - makes me really look like I care about social justice in the world.
What is the opposite?
Presuming that black people are discriminated against in America?
Considering the amount of times the cops are called on black people living their lives, including trying to get into where they literally live without being harassed or shot, I feel perfectly fine "wiping the egg off my face." Much like you were fine counting your chickens before they hatched.
Yup, anything to validate their thinking of racism is dead and people of color are just lying about their experiences. Confirmation bias at it's best. Ignore the 1000000000000 articles, stories, evidence, etc, but believe the one time it's bullshit.
What greater cause?More like defending thives and media outcry because they are black and we can't accept to be wrong because it would hirt the greater case or something like that.
Why'd you want people calling the cops for such trivial shit? Like this is the remit of being a manager. Dealing with problem assholes. She did so in a really calm way and actually gave them a chance.The manager basically got in hot water when she deviated from policy which is usually to just let em bounce and then calls the cops
Just for liability/PR reasons
and this is a major problem in America?More like defending thives and media outcry because they are black and we can't accept to be wrong because it would hirt the greater case or something like that.
I spent a good chunk of my 20s working in the restaurant industry. So, I am always going to consider the shit that other restaurant workers have to put up with. The beginning of this thread shows how many posters have never had to deal with shitty customers in the kitchen when they immediately throw the staff under the bus.One big takeaway from this is how companies will literally throw their enployees under the bus to protect their brand. Even though she was actively working to prevent theft.
And screw those dudes actively trying to make low-wage workers lose their jobs or worse by mobilizing Twitter.
The manager basically got in hot water when she deviated from policy which is usually to just let em bounce and then calls the cops
Just for liability/PR reasons
If we're talking about media outcry, then fine, if we're talking about people participating on this forum giving the benefit of the doubt to the Black person, then you lost me.
Your stance seems to be that as long as somebody might lose their job no matter what, you're not going to believe a victim without hard evidence. In this case you happened to be right, but more often than not, racism or other situations like this are real and you would be wrong. But I bet your remain silent and only chime in when it turns out you are right.
We don't know that for sure, but, it does seem likely. What we do know is that they have discussed doing it in stores before on twitter.So it turned out these guys actually had stolen from this place before? Damn dude. I feel bad for the manager who lost her job then in this case.
We don't know that for sure, but, it does seem likely. What we do know is that they have discussed doing it in stores before on twitter.
Asking them to leave woukd have deescalated the situation faster.
And people still want to say the manager is in the wrong.
Once the tweets came out, everyone in this thread flipped. No one here is defending them anymore. If you're concerned about those that are, sign onto Twitter and have some conversations with people who have gotten the update but are still blindly defending the boys.More like defending thives and media outcry because they are black and we can't accept to be wrong because it would hirt the greater case or something like that.
Personally, nothing about the way she acted stuck out as "racism". When someone is being racist they typically seem very offensive. This lady was mostly keeping to herself. A racist would've went on a tirade as soon as they claimed racism. Just my thoughts.I'm still not entirely convinced there wasn't a bit of racism in her actions, but I also think she only had sucky choices based on what she thought.
1. Deny service to black people without reason, looking racist
2. Ask them to pay first, looking racist
3. Serve them food thinking that they'll try to dine and dash
In hindsight, with a camera on you, #3 is the best PR course of action but that's not usually how people think.
It kind of sucks she gets fired. I doubt it's in their policy. They just don't want the media backlash
And what were you posting in that thread? I'm assuming you posted " this woman could lose her job so I'm not going to believe this man until we have all the facts" and after "well I was wrong".You mean the last similiar thread I posted was about that black dude who was blocked from entering his own apartment by a woman. And I wasn't doing the things you are claiming. So you better posts some quotes before moving from one strawman to another one.
It doesn't though. Only racists don't see black people as individuals so this incident can't muddy the waters for you if you're not a racist.Agreed. I'm just saying incidents like this muddy the waters in some way.
Why'd you want people calling the cops for such trivial shit? Like this is the remit of being a manager. Dealing with problem assholes. She did so in a really calm way and actually gave them a chance.
Feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The assertion that she did anything worth losing her job overnight is mental.
Well maybe she should have called cops. Although that could've backfired too. Shit situation
So that's the issue then, we just can never accept a black person is wrong because doing so would hurt "the cause"?More like defending thives and media outcry because they are black and we can't accept to be wrong because it would hirt the greater case or something like that.
We don't know that.So it turned out these guys actually had stolen from this place before? Damn dude. I feel bad for the manager who lost her job then in this case.
What greater cause?
You think many are just "acting" the part in defending minorities when these incidents occur?
Individuals do not live divorced from the social and cultural forces that govern their lives.This case just shows that some people are completely incapable of looking at this case as an individual case of thieves who happen to be black and still trying to discussit as an example of racism.
This is true. Someone that is being racist in public would have no qualms letting the whole world know about it...Personally, nothing about the way she acted stuck out as "racism". When someone is being racist they typically seem very offensive. This lady was mostly keeping to herself. A racist would've went on a tirade as soon as they claimed racism. Just my thoughts.
It still sucks that people are still going after the manager for some reason. Oh, no, she deviated ever so slightly from company policy in a rare situation!
Yeah somebody should really do something about that poster, Era. They are out of control. How are they not banned, I mean honestly?Era is so easy to judge people without hearing both sides of the story
This.Seriously, I am completely baffled as to how anyone could side with these guys at this point.
So that's the issue then, we just can never accept a black person is wrong because doing so would hurt "the cause"?
We don't know that.
Era is so easy to judge people without hearing both sides of the story
So what kind of shitty investigation did Chipotle do that they couldn't catch that this dude was lying
And what were you posting in that thread? I'm assuming you posted " this woman could lose her job so I'm not going to believe this man until we have all the facts" and after "well I was wrong".
The problem is they didn't technically steal.It's peculiar to me that this story turned the way that it did. Because as someone who's worked in food service, in a management role, my first thoughts reading about this was even with it being true that these dipshits were actual thieves of that Chipotle, the manager still handled it wrong.
In most establishments it's encouraged to handle rowdy situations as quickly, calmly, and with as little unnecessary action as possible. And yes, to call the cops at any signs of pushback. In this case, after multiple instances of these guys stealing, I'm going to assume that this Chipotle has cameras, which means the affirmation of video evidence would hold some weight. So instead of coming up with some overly dramatic and on-the-fly policy change that can easily be spun out of your control (and was, as was saw), what this manager should have done was calmly state, "excuse me, but we have multiple instances of you stealing from our restaurant on camera. I'm going to have to politely ask you to leave." And that's it. You do not engage further than that, and you definitely do not let your staff pile on and react.
These boys still want to film her and give her a nickname? Good luck with that, because they'd still have to film you calmly telling them (and then the cops), "I have video footage of these men stealing from our store."
Individuals do not live divorced from the social and cultural forces that govern their lives.
Sorry.
it is a shame that one man crying wolf discredits hundreds of years and millions of people suffering, but that's just the way the world is.It is when you can come on to one of the instances where someone made something up and cast doubt on all other claims. I'm all for knowing the facts and I typically do, but in this case, it seems like some folks just wanted a chance to chastise others even though everyone thinks the guys are shitty for what they did.
If that's the way it went, talk about iron fist..."Did you ask them to pay up front, even though that's not how we operate?"
"Yes."
/investigation
Honestly. That's likely exactly what happened."Did you ask them to pay up front, even though that's not how we operate?"
"Yes."
/investigation
it is a shame that one man crying wolf discredits hundreds of years and millions of people suffering, but that's just the way the world is.