As a consumer I don't care, it's amazing value.
As for Microsoft, they have some benefit by keeping it around for as long as they have. It doesn't make sense to say it's not profitable for them, you don't work for Microsoft.
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[CCN.com] Microsoft Schools the Gaming Industry with ‘Xbox Game Pass’ Success
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As for Microsoft, they have some benefit by keeping it around for as long as they have. It doesn't make sense to say it's not profitable for them, you don't work for Microsoft.
As people have pointed out, the author of the article misses the fact that you can download PS Now games - but this omission should be seen as partly Sony's fault. The marketing for PS Now originally billed as a streaming service, and them quietly adding game downloads has gone mostly unnoticed by every Playstation owner I know. When I bring it up, it's usually met with "Oh really? For no additional cost?"
Microsoft makes sure you know how Game Pass works, which titles will be there at launch, what games are joining every month, etc. It's a big focus of their overall XBox marketing message now. It's referenced constantly at XO, Gamescom, and E3; it's brought up in every Inside XBox; they tease new announcements on their Twitter account; do I need to go on?
Don't let the fact that the author didn't get it completely right obscure a potential much bigger issue here. Sony has a great service too - why aren't they proud of it?
Microsoft makes sure you know how Game Pass works, which titles will be there at launch, what games are joining every month, etc. It's a big focus of their overall XBox marketing message now. It's referenced constantly at XO, Gamescom, and E3; it's brought up in every Inside XBox; they tease new announcements on their Twitter account; do I need to go on?
Don't let the fact that the author didn't get it completely right obscure a potential much bigger issue here. Sony has a great service too - why aren't they proud of it?
Holy shit, really?! I recently did a trial of PSNow and I deliberately didn't download PUBG because I don't have PS+. It's probably not the game for me, but if I had known I could properly try it without the need for PS+ I would have definitely tried it! Sony's messaging on this service is so poor.
On topic - the source in the OP is nonsense and they couldn't even be bothered to spend one minute on Google to check their facts. Game Pass is great but they don't need to spread misinformation about the competition's service to try and make it look better.
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This.
Also it's like people didn't read the article.
"Xbox Content and Services revenue decreased 295 Million(11%). It says offset by growth but there are no numbers. All we know is revenue wise it's losing close to $300 Million.
With the increase of Forbes contributors and fanboy drivel articles without any research at its time we should stop having any "headline" as a thread. These are just embarrassing.
For the entire games industry. The devaluing of games is a serious problem. How many times on this forum do you see people scoff at paying $20 for a great indie game because it's "too expensive".
Now imagine where things go when people get used to paying $10 a month for access to hundreds. If a concept like this becomes the norm you will be looking at a very different games industry than the one you have today.
Maybe most of the games aren't worth the price they're asking
They aren't, but some clearly are and that accusation is leveled at them all the same.
sorry to dogpile but imagine unironically thinking this
couldn't be me
I'd be subbed right now if God of War was still on there, and I don't even own a PS4.
Outside of the first party games not being available day one, how is it not?
There was. When Gears 5 came out, you could either buy it for $60 or get an extremely heavily advertised $2 deal for two months of Game Pass Ultimate and even get the game 5 days earlier.
Anyone who had Gold at that point (that's most people) and took the $2 deal had their remaining Gold converted to Ultimate as well, so even if they don't use the service they will still count as subscribers. Anyone who had more than 2 months of Gold remaining on Gears 5's release will still have had their Ultimate active in January which is when MS counted their "subscriber count doubled" numbers.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but you can play multiplayer games without additional PS Plus fee with PS Now yeah?
And PS Now has cross compatibility between PS4 and PC too yeah? You can play your game on PS4, save on the cloud, and continue where you left off on PC.
You can stream your games on PS Now, and as of now PS Now has around 800 games, and Gamepass around 400.
They are aboslutely comparable I would say, but the 1st Party games on Gamepass is a huge advantage right now, but something PS Now can easily follow suit, but again, why do that when the games sell gangbusters.
Outside of new or newer games? That's a pretty big thing. That's like a channel that only plays TV show reruns vs Netflix.
But it ain't though. Day One 1st party releases is a massive draw for GP.
That might not be the most important part for some but it is definitely the most important part for me. I didn't sub to GP until the 1st party games launched into it.
I am talking about stuff like this. Call it what you want: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3404524/get-3-years-xbox-game-pass-ultimate-tip.html
Oh stop it, you act like they aren't getting paid by Microsoft to be on Gamepass.
Has the same thing happened to film?
No
Come back with this argument when the next Avengers premieres in theaters and Disney+ at the same time.
If indie developers did not benefit from Game Pass, they would not be signing deals for Game Pass. It really is that simple. More access to more games for everyone is a good thing.
In a way, yes. Streaming services have cut into home video sales really hard. Rentals are actually dead: you've already heard the Netflix jokes when someone talks about Blockbuster's death.
Yes I'm referring to ultimate hence the PC gamepass included. Price isn't a factor here
It probably should be, it's quite a difference between $15/month and $60/year.
Well they're different services as of right now, pc game pass has pc games on the service, psnow on pc has playstation games on pc.
Fair argument I think in general they're two different services
"Xbox Content and Services revenue decreased 295 Million(11%). It says offset by growth but there are no numbers. All we know is revenue wise it's losing close to $300 Million.
You missed the part where majority of the loss came from revenue being down due to less money being spent on a third party title, which is being offset by the growth in subscriptions.
He also missed the part where Zhuge noted that "Full Game / DLC Digital Sales are stable".
Its devalued a form of distribution. Not content. Actors, actresses, writers, designers, directors, etc...aren't struggling for work.
I mean, rental/used market definitely wasn't paying anyone at all if you're comparing that to a subscription service.
Netflix on the other hand has led to tons of new movie /shows and content to be created, because they're actually bringing creators money and funding.
#1 thing a subscription service can bring the industry is discovery. It's currently my favorite aspect of it. Finding different types of games when they're new enough that there's still conversation and community around them. That would get really interesting if Game Pass can crack the casual market. Right now it's really just the service of the hardcore gamer.
Those numbers in revenue lost don't lie, and until like Fisty said we get official numbers, Microsoft can say all they want about growth and all that jazz.
Numbers matter.
So you don't actually want to comment on Game Pass? PS Now will continue to be an afterthought until Sony puts its games on the service day and date of new releases. This is why to me Game Paas is huge moving forward now that Microsoft has so many games in development now.
Microsoft is doing the lords work with gamepass. It's been awesome with my gaming PC getting Xbox exclusives on release.
Really looking forward to continuing that into next gen.
Really looking forward to continuing that into next gen.
Yes but the numbers aren't saying game pass is losing them money. That tweet says that services helped offset the loss caused by people not spending as much money on a third party title. The loss didn't come from game pass lol
And consumers will dictate the future of the market, and life goes on....
This just seems like a long winded post that boils down to Sony shares info and Microsoft doesn't.
I don't care if I'm the only person subscribed to gamepass it's fucking great. If Microsoft isn't making money that's their problem. Devs don't have to agree to be on the service.
PSnow is cool too but it's nowhere near as good as getting Microsoft first party exclusives on launch day
I am a gamepass PC subscriber and I haven't given a shit about MS's first-party releases on the service. I didn't like Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5 was bad. The value add of those first party day one releases is nothing to me. I use the service for third party games alone
So we're left with promises for MS first party games of which I currently have zero interest in. They have a lot of games in development but their last few years of output don't give me a whole lot of confidence. Meanwhile there's multiple exclusive games on competing platforms that i've preordered and i'm dying to play. They aren't on a gamepass-like service but i'll gladly pay 60$ to play them.
Gamepass is a fine service and I enjoy using it, but the value of MS dropping it's first party titles on there barely registers.
Anyone saying Game Pass and PSNow "aren't the same service" need to stop that crap. They are the exact same *type* of service: a subscription service that offers a library of games to play. You can argue the value of either service all day, but to say they aren't the same type of service is ridiculous.
What you're referring to is Game Pass Ultimate which includes Gold and Game Pass on PC for $15/month or $180/year (regular prices, no discounts). Additionally, you're not getting "free" multiplayer - the price of Gold is rolled straight into Game Pass ($120/year Game Pass + $60/year Gold = $180 UGP, you get no savings Edit: Actually, separately all three services would cost $240/year (Game Pass on PC is $60/year), so yeah there is a $60/year savings by getting GPU - my bad).
PSNow, $10/month with an available $60/year option (that's three times less the cost of UGP), offers free online multiplayer for any game in the service without the need of PS Plus, all PS4 and PS2 games available on the service can be downloaded and streamed on PS4, and everything on the service is available to play on PC via streaming without the need of something like Game Pass on PC.
They both have their perks, pros, and cons. To many, many people, the value added by Xbox putting their 1st party games on Xbox Game Pass is what brings its value above and beyond PSNow, with recent third party games being added faster than PSNow as a close second.
What you're referring to is Game Pass Ultimate which includes Gold and Game Pass on PC for $15/month or $180/year (regular prices, no discounts). Additionally, you're not getting "free" multiplayer - the price of Gold is rolled straight into Game Pass ($120/year Game Pass + $60/year Gold = $180 UGP, you get no savings Edit: Actually, separately all three services would cost $240/year (Game Pass on PC is $60/year), so yeah there is a $60/year savings by getting GPU - my bad).
PSNow, $10/month with an available $60/year option (that's three times less the cost of UGP), offers free online multiplayer for any game in the service without the need of PS Plus, all PS4 and PS2 games available on the service can be downloaded and streamed on PS4, and everything on the service is available to play on PC via streaming without the need of something like Game Pass on PC.
They both have their perks, pros, and cons. To many, many people, the value added by Xbox putting their 1st party games on Xbox Game Pass is what brings its value above and beyond PSNow, with recent third party games being added faster than PSNow as a close second.
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