Canadian Election 2019 |OT| One Long Year of Scheer Stupidity [Update: Liberal Minority Government]

Kernel · Oct 21, 2019

djkimothy said:
I thought global demand had already plateau'ed. In either case the writing is on the wall and investments in the oil sands is just not worth it.

Oh I'm not sure what the correct stat is then lol.

Last I've heard the demand is still increasing but it's slowing down and peak is about 3 years from now.

The shitlords who make their money off fossil fuels are buying up political parties to cash in while they can.

See: Trump meddling in the Ukraine and Kenney and Andy here in Canada.

TheDestructiveSquirrel · Oct 21, 2019

Doran said:
CTV Live in 5 hours, still have time to go buy either celebration or sadness junk food. Maybe the patriots will lose to the jets and brighten things up lol

Maybe the Star Wars trailer will be amazing

Wazzy · Oct 21, 2019

I want to vote NDP but strategic voting to prevent that piece of shit Sheer from winning is more important. I'm Burnaby, BC and I'm going to vote after work. Is the polling showing Liberal as the better choice for my area or is it still okay to pick NDP?

Rivenblade · Oct 21, 2019

gutter_trash said:
Real Estate fluctuations depends on region and city.

Vancouver already peeked, slower get slightly lower

Toronto keeps climbing

Montreal usee to be affordable but is now rising up up every year and is hot

South shore is getting unaffordable for couples making anything less than $100,000-$120,000 as well. We bought in Brossard in 2015 and that seems smart now even though I find our monthly mortgage payment to be totally ludicrous.

I guess I think of people like my parents who were able to make $35,000 to $40,000 each and afford a down payment around 15 years ago and still live in relative comfort. I feel horrible for people working lower wage jobs, especially those who are single, who want to buy property in 2019 in the area they grew up in when that area has made it damn near unaffordable for the majority of working people.

DazzlerIE · Oct 21, 2019

Parch said:
That has more to do with the new taxes from your provincial NDP government. It makes me sad that they're dropping the ball. The real estate situation in Vancouver is a mess.

It's fine for now. We bought the condo to live in and not make money off of, so we'll be here for at least a few years. I think the provincial NDP are doing a great job tbh. If they went balls out and crashed the Metro Vancouver real estate market they wouldn't sniff election again for decades.

There's already been a ton of protests against them over the moves they've made so far. Lot of "fuck you got mine" in this City

CitizenVectron · Oct 21, 2019

lupinko · Oct 21, 2019

Wazzy said:
I want to vote NDP but strategic voting to prevent that piece of shit Sheer from winning is more important. I'm Burnaby, BC and I'm going to vote after work. Is the polling showing Liberal as the better choice for my area or is it still okay to pick NDP?

Which Burnaby, if you're North and it's Terry Beech, you keep that LPC seat of his.

Kinsei · Oct 21, 2019

CitizenVectron said:

Yeah, I think it's time for us to kick Alberta out of Canada.

I kid.... Mostly.

hrœrekr · Oct 21, 2019

Supernova said:
I think I'm going to spoil my ballot today. I can't vote Liberal in good conscience after Trudeau breaking his electoral reform promise. I only did so in 2015 to ensure Harper's defeat. I really like Jagmeet Singh and think he's a good man, but I can't reward his political cowardice on the racist QC bill 21. I really wanted him to stand up for minorities in QC who are being targeted by this bill and he failed. Conservative is simply not an option and the Greens aren't a serious party imo when the NDP and the Liberals both have comprehensive plans on the environment and climate change.

Ideally we get a Liberal-NDP coalition government for the next 2-3 years, and they implement national pharmacare and dental care, affordable housing strategy, increased investment in public transportation, tax for internet giants and the superich, open up wireless markets to foreign competition and they either implement electoral reform for real this time, or if we keep FPTP both parties form a formal electoral pact to work together at the national level.

If you want to reward the Conservatives, you can just vote from them instead of spoling your ballot.

gutter_trash · Oct 21, 2019

Rivenblade said:
South shore is getting unaffordable for couples making anything less than $100,000-$120,000 as well. We bought in Brossard in 2015 and that seems smart now even though I find our monthly mortgage payment to be totally ludicrous.

I guess I think of people like my parents who were able to make $35,000 to $40,000 each and afford a down payment around 15 years ago and still
live in relative comfort. I feel horrible for people working lower wage jobs, especially those who are single, who want to buy property in 2019 in the area they grew up in when that area has made it damn near unaffordable for the majority of working people.

Yeah, the influx of foreign buyers is ruining the market

The new REM rail will also boost home value

The South Shore used to be affordable but not anymore

I bought a rinkydinky condo for 75k in 2003 on the Shore as my first. To put into perspective how much has changed

Wazzy · Oct 21, 2019

lupinko said:
Which Burnaby, if you're North and it's Terry Beech, you keep that LPC seat of his.

Yeah Terry Beech is my riding so I'll vote Liberal then! Thanks.

How about South Burnaby? My friend is metrotown area and was planning on NDP vote but she will change if it's too close.

Rivenblade · Oct 21, 2019

Wazzy said:
I want to vote NDP but strategic voting to prevent that piece of shit Sheer from winning is more important. I'm Burnaby, BC and I'm going to vote after work. Is the polling showing Liberal as the better choice for my area or is it still okay to pick NDP?

According to votewell.ca (I know it's been mentioned earlier as not a totally trustworthy source), both Burnaby South and Burnaby North look like they're headed for NDP victories.

Rivenblade · Oct 21, 2019

gutter_trash said:
Yeah, the influx of foreign buyers is ruining the market

The new REM rail will also boost home value

The South Shore used to be affordable but not anymore

I mean, it's great for my wife and I in the long term if/when we choose to sell our house, but thinking about the next generation of home buyers...they're fucked if they join a lower-level or mid-level paying field/profession.

"Papa, I want to be a teacher."
"No, honey. You want to be a principal or a real estate agent. Trust me."

My sister-in-law is coming to this rude awakening right now. She's in her 40s making around 40 grand a year in a factory, and even shopping for a condo is insane.

Razorskin · Oct 21, 2019

Voted earlier today, wasn't totally sold on the Liberals but when Trudeau said he'd drive down the prices of houses in Alberta by another 15% he had me sold.

Hours Left · Oct 21, 2019

The bots and Pierre Delectos are spamming their silly hashtags. 🤣

Happy Election Day! Go vote, or remain eternally useless and irrelevant!

2pac_71 · Oct 21, 2019

I'm buying dominos pizza 50% off. Hope it's a good night.

CitizenVectron · Oct 21, 2019

Kinsei said:
Yeah, I think it's time for us to kick Alberta out of Canada.

I kid.... Mostly.

Bro I'm a Saskatchewan progressive...but I am on team butter tart. But I like them both with and without raisins.

Wazzy · Oct 21, 2019

Rivenblade said:
According to votewell.ca (I know it's been mentioned earlier as not a totally trustworthy source), both Burnaby South and Burnaby North look like they're headed for NDP victories.

Oh damn now I'm unsure. Liberal seems like the safe bet but if NDP is actually likely to win then I would much rather vote for it.

I'm not voting for another 5 hours so hopefully it's more conclusive by the time I head to cast my vote.

Kinsei · Oct 21, 2019

Wazzy said:
Yeah Terry Beech is my riding so I'll vote Liberal then! Thanks.

How about South Burnaby? My friend is metrotown area and was planning on NDP vote but she will change if it's too close.

Burnaby South should be safe NDP.

CitizenVectron · Oct 21, 2019

Mackaveli said:
I'm buying dominos pizza 50% off. Hope it's a good night.

Is that an election day deal? Or the normal student discount?

Tiktaalik · Oct 21, 2019

lupinko said:
Which Burnaby, if you're North and it's Terry Beech, you keep that LPC seat of his.

Nah NDP Svend.

Svend is the old popular MP of the Burnaby North riding and the NDP is polling above the Liberals in BC.

2pac_71 · Oct 21, 2019

CitizenVectron said:
Is that an election day deal? Or the normal student discount?

Every Monday is 50% off if you order online carry out. I don't do the student deal.

Just have to go through coupons and then you'll see it.

Rivenblade · Oct 21, 2019

Wazzy said:
Oh damn now I'm unsure. Liberal seems like the safe bet but if NDP is actually likely to win then I would much rather vote for it.

I'm not voting for another 5 hours so hopefully it's more conclusive by the time I head to cast my vote.

I'd say you're safe to vote with your conscience and you'll be good either way.

Faenix1 · Oct 21, 2019

CitizenVectron said:
Is that an election day deal? Or the normal student discount?

Online only, mon - wed is 50% off

Nisaba · Oct 21, 2019

I strategically voted Liberals but I'm nervous. ;;

Kitschy Kitty · Oct 21, 2019

Razorskin said:
Voted earlier today, wasn't totally sold on the Liberals but when Trudeau said he'd drive down the prices of houses in Alberta by another 15% he had me sold.

Rivenblade · Oct 21, 2019

gutter_trash said:
Yeah, the influx of foreign buyers is ruining the market

The new REM rail will also boost home value

The South Shore used to be affordable but not anymore

I bought a rinkydinky condo for 75k in 2003 on the Shore as my first. To put into perspective how much has changed

Damn. What a steal.

My parents bought a house in Hamilton East (Ontario) around 2004 for $245,000. 4 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, huge common areas, garage, backyard, the works...I was thinking I'd be able to get something similiar in 2015 for maybe $300,000 in Brossard.

I got no garage, a bigger backyard, 3 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, and more cramped common spaces for $384,000.

I know location is important, but paying $140,000 more for a home that's actually smaller 11 years later for what I'd consider a comparable area just felt wrong. My parents' house in Hamilton east is also now valued at $600,000. No clue how this is even fair.

gutter_trash · Oct 21, 2019

why are some provinces different with polls closing?
in Qc, they close at 9:30pm

Parch · Oct 21, 2019

DazzlerIE said:
It's fine for now. We bought the condo to live in and not make money off of, so we'll be here for at least a few years. I think the provincial NDP are doing a great job tbh. If they went balls out and crashed the Metro Vancouver real estate market they wouldn't sniff election again for decades.

There's already been a ton of protests against them over the moves they've made so far. Lot of "fuck you got mine" in this City

They've altered the single family zoning but I think BC still needs to back off somewhat with the ALR zoning. Geographically there is no room for expansion and there is currently near zero supply for real estate. If the lower mainland wants to increase buying opportunity and reduce rent, there has to be more properties available. How many damn blueberry farms does Richmond need? Let developers make more affordable housing instead of cramming more luxury condos in the small space available.

Razorskin · Oct 21, 2019

gutter_trash said:
Yeah, the influx of foreign buyers is ruining the market

The new REM rail will also boost home value

The South Shore used to be affordable but not anymore

I bought a rinkydinky condo for 75k in 2003 on the Shore as my first. To put into perspective how much has changed

Yup, South Shore is hot, that's why I settled in Laval.

CitizenVectron · Oct 21, 2019

Mackaveli said:
Every Monday is 50% off if you order online carry out. I don't do the student deal.

Just have to go through coupons and then you'll see it.

Faenix1 said:
Online only, mon - wed is 50% off

Okay cool, thanks! For walk-in deals I usually go to the Red Swan pizza a block away. 10.99 for a 14-inch large two-topping pizza. Might do that tonight! As a tip, of anyone has a Red SeSwanan near them, try this:

Thin crust
Ranch base
Tandoori chicken
Red onion

It's amazing.

killerrin · Oct 21, 2019

djkimothy said:
Either pharmacare or the environment. I don't think anyone cares about cell phone prices.

I think no matter what, Cellphone prices are a given. It's in both the Liberal, NDP and Green platforms anyways. That said, in minority government situation the NDP would definately push more for their version of Pharmacare over their version of Cellphone and utility regulations.

2pac_71 · Oct 21, 2019

Are there usually victory and concession speeches today? And if so. What will Scheer say when he loses. Will he say it's rigged and should be investigated?

Acevil · Oct 21, 2019

Mackaveli said:
Are there usually victory and concession speeches today? And if so. What will Scheer say when he loses. Will he say it's rigged and should be investigated?

I don't think he is that dumb, and he would know that would absolutely destroy him in the party.

Randomly Generated · Oct 21, 2019

Mackaveli said:
Are there usually victory and concession speeches today? And if so. What will Scheer say when he loses. Will he say it's rigged and should be investigated?

He won't say anything like that. Bernier will definitely complain, though.

Doran · Oct 21, 2019

Mackaveli said:
Are there usually victory and concession speeches today? And if so. What will Scheer say when he loses. Will he say it's rigged and should be investigated?

If Scheer loses (If) it will be his only time running as the leader of the cons. He will be shockingly humble though I can't see anyone but Bernier making a fuss. There should be speeches today though, likely will start before polls are closed because the election will likely be called before the west is done.

Minthara · Oct 21, 2019

Rivenblade said:
South shore is getting unaffordable for couples making anything less than $100,000-$120,000 as well. We bought in Brossard in 2015 and that seems smart now even though I find our monthly mortgage payment to be totally ludicrous.

I guess I think of people like my parents who were able to make $35,000 to $40,000 each and afford a down payment around 15 years ago and still live in relative comfort. I feel horrible for people working lower wage jobs, especially those who are single, who want to buy property in 2019 in the area they grew up in when that area has made it damn near unaffordable for the majority of working people.

Bought a semi-detached house in Saint-Hubert for just under 280k in 2017 that the city estimates will be worth almost 350k in about 2 years. It's absolutely crazy. We live 5 minutes from the new REM line being put in at Dix 30 too. House value is going to spike up even more once all the new public transit is finished. 4 bedrooms, 2 bathroom for reference.

My wife and I make due on about 70k a year but we should be at about 100k a year in a bit of time with some luck that'll make starting a family easier.

MikeRahl · Oct 21, 2019

Rivenblade said:
I mean, it's great for my wife and I in the long term if/when we choose to sell our house, but thinking about the next generation of home buyers...they're fucked if they join a lower-level or mid-level paying field/profession.

"Papa, I want to be a teacher."
"No, honey. You want to be a principal or a real estate agent. Trust me."

My sister-in-law is coming to this rude awakening right now. She's in her 40s making around 40 grand a year in a factory, and even shopping for a condo is insane.

TBF Real-estate Agents are a pretty weird profession. I think in Toronto there are close to 50K of them, and of those less than half registered MORE than 1 sale in 2017.

gutter_trash · Oct 21, 2019

Razorskin said:
Yup, South Shore is hot, that's why I settled in Laval.

Laval is like Montreal's New Jersey

Deleted member 49179 · Oct 21, 2019

Doran said:
If Scheer loses (If) it will be his only time running as the leader of the cons. There should be speeches today though, likely will start before polls are closed because the election will likely be called before the west is done.

I think we need to be prepared for a very long evening, though. A lot of very close races throughout the country means that the election might be called later than usual.

Rivenblade · Oct 21, 2019

gutter_trash said:
Laval is like Montreal's New Jersey

I mean, that's pretty cool. LOL. I was always proud that I came from the grit and grime of Hamilton Ontario. Part of the reason Kevin Smith's earlier movies resonated with me so much was that I recognized so much of my own city in his version of New Jersey.

AlexMeloche · Oct 21, 2019

Razorskin said:
Yup, South Shore is hot, that's why I settled in Laval.

It's not like Laval is really that cheaper (depending of where you go, you can still buy something in Laval-Ouest but then it's frigging Laval-Ouest). We grew up in Laval but my sister had to settle for Blainville for her house. A comparable one was almost 100K more expensive in Laval in Fabreville or Vimont.

Vinc · Oct 21, 2019

Getting out of work in an hour and a half and going straight to vote. I'm so antsy.

Deleted member 25834 · Oct 21, 2019

Rivenblade said:
Damn. What a steal.

My parents bought a house in Hamilton East (Ontario) around 2004 for $245,000. 4 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, huge common areas, garage, backyard, the works...I was thinking I'd be able to get something similiar in 2015 for maybe $300,000 in Brossard.

I got no garage, a bigger backyard, 3 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, and more cramped common spaces for $384,000.

I know location is important, but paying $140,000 more for a home that's actually smaller 11 years later for what I'd consider a comparable area just felt wrong. My parents' house in Hamilton east is also now valued at $600,000. No clue how this is even fair.

My parents bought their first home (still living in it) in 2008/2009 for around $350,000. They thought that price was crazy, only for their home 10 years later be valued at around $1.4 million. Toronto, and the rest of the major cities/metropolitan areas are becoming extremely expensive. Having said that, I can see why a lot of these areas have become so desired.

New transit infrastructure, these places becoming vacation destinations to a global audience (festivals, concerts, sports, restaurants, media, etc)... each of these cities have more and more to offer and the prices of homes (as well as goods and services) are reflecting that.

As much as it sucks to hear, with the way these cities continue to grow, I can't see a correction or collapse unless something happens on a global level.

Arthois · Oct 21, 2019

gutter_trash said:
Laval is like Montreal's New Jersey

It's more like Woodland or White Plains, really.

Wazzy · Oct 21, 2019

Rivenblade said:
I'd say you're safe to vote with your conscience and you'll be good either way.

Yeah for now I'll stick with voting NDP since it seems safe to do.

If I start hearing about any changes that are worrying then I'll switch to Liberal vote.

Rivenblade · Oct 21, 2019

Thanatos said:
Bought a semi-detached house in Saint-Hubert for just under 280k in 2017 that the city estimates will be worth almost 350k in about 2 years. It's absolutely crazy. We live 5 minutes from the new REM line being put in at Dix 30 too. House value is going to spike up even more once all the new public transit is finished. 4 bedrooms, 2 bathroom for reference.

My wife and I make due on about 70k a year but we should be at about 100k a year in a bit of time with some luck that'll make starting a family easier.

Good luck to you! I wish the way things are set up didn't make it so difficult for people of modest incomes to get by. My wife and I now clear $120,000 as a couple (I know that's not modest), but even at that point, around $1800 a month for a mortgage is pretty nuts when you add property taxes, electrical bill, internet bill, transit pass, phones, school fees, gas, groceries, clothes, activities for the kids, trips, etc. on top of it.

Randomly Generated · Oct 21, 2019

Scheer is doing rallies and media today, he's definitely feeling the heat.

gutter_trash · Oct 21, 2019

Arthois said:
It's more like Woodland or White Plains, really.

when you have mag bros comparing their wheels on the parking lot, that makes it Jersey, lol

Razorskin · Oct 21, 2019

AlexMeloche said:
It's not like Laval is really that cheaper (depending of where you go, you can still buy something in Laval-Ouest but then it's frigging Laval-Ouest). We grew up in Laval but my sister had to settle for Blainville for her house. A comparable one was almost 100K more expensive in Laval in Fabreville or Vimont.

It's true that it isn't cheaper in some areas, but Auteuil was a more affordable for me than Brossard.

gutter_trash · Oct 21, 2019

Randomly Generated said:
Scheer is doing rallies and media today, he's definitely feeling the heat.

that is against tradition!!!!!

leaders are not supposed to go on media blitzes on election day! The media is at fault

Canadian Election 2019 |OT| One Long Year of Scheer Stupidity [Update: Liberal Minority Government]

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