What did I say about the press treating the election like some saturday night UFC match.
Is there a point/need for this spectacle?
What's this from? Look at Edmonton being a somewhat oasis in the middle of a desert of stupidity.
Conservative will conservative for making health care more US like.
Shame we can't Bob Rae these fuckers so they can never get elected again.The Cons are just going for suicide terms. Ford isn't even trying to be re-elected.
It's a lot easier and cheaper to destroy than to create.
And we prop up those who prop up that system and have done so multiple times throughout history. The Dems haven't completed their move to the left yet, and it's not like history isn't littered with instances of quashing moves to the left to keep the world in the centre. Remember that there was a time when socialism was preferred by the majority of North America. It was the 1920s, and the history of what happened is pretty clear. Nothing has shown me that this time is going to see a different outcome unless we stop caving to the centrism that continuously fails us and stand our ground. And that remains to be seen.As wealth inequality grows, Trudeau's centrist policies won't cut it anymore. They're barely working now.
He's propping up a system that's doomed to crash.
He will have to go left like the Democrats in the US or the NDP will do it.
Otherwise we will elect a demagogue like Trump.
Educational system in Quebec must be better than most of Canada.Lots of interesting stuff in there!
Look at the results for "Climate change will harm you personally":
He came back today to talk about how Trudeau must be in love with him because he keeps saying his name. lolFord can't hide forever.
After election day, he will be back with his cuts
What was the main issue with this? Coming from a country that basically used ranked ballots/single transferrable vote FPTP just seems so backwards
Looking forward to the day I get to vote in Canada regardless of the system
Shame we can't Bob Rae these fuckers so they can never get elected again.
But sadly that only ever gets done for the NDP. We're supposed to have selective memory when it comes to the Conservatives.
Remember that there was a time when socialism was preferred by the majority of North America. It was the 1920s, and the history of what happened is pretty clear. Nothing has shown me that this time is going to see a different outcome unless we stop caving to the centrism that continuously fails us and stand our ground. And that remains to be seen.
Educational system in Quebec must be better than most of Canada.
Too many poorly educated Albertans/Saskatchewans move to BC bringing their standards, standards which apparently has made their provinces too shitty to stay in, and drag BC backwards regarding climate.
Listen, we all hate Alberta, but lets not go there. Many progressive people suffer in conservative centers, being surrounded by close minded jerks. That's true all over the world. We need to help those people.Educational system in Quebec must be better than most of Canada.
Too many poorly educated Albertans/Saskatchewans move to BC bringing their standards, standards which apparently has made their provinces too shitty to stay in, and drag BC backwards regarding climate.
I'd didn't say they were all poorly educated(regarding climate). And there are some lovely places in Alberta that are well protected. Like Banff and Jasper.Listen, we all hate Alberta, but lets not go there. Many progressive people suffer in conservative centers, being surrounded by close minded jerks. That's true all over the world. We need to help those people.
Singh said Trudeau's message in this campaign has been to encourage voters to "be afraid of the Conservatives and settle for less."
"I want to tell people really clearly you do not have to settle for less," Singh said, before pivoting to the proposal of electoral reform, something that was a hot topic in the 2015 campaign but has largely become a backburner issue after the Liberals abandoned their pledge to get rid of the first-past-the-post voting system.
Singh said that one of his priorities if an NDP government is elected, would be to implement proportional representation, without a referendum because he thinks a consensus has already been reached.
"So we would never have the fear of a party getting less than 40 per cent of the vote but getting 100 per cent of the power," he said.
"How many times in your life have you done something because you're afraid and got a good result out of it? And how many times have you taken the courage to take a chance on something that was good for you, and you did it and your life became better?" said Singh in Toronto.
"It's the same thing in this election. If you make a choice out of fear we're going to get cynical results, but if you choose something that you believe in with your heart, you dream big, that's how you get big results. … We're not going to get amazing changes by settling for less."
There's some tight Lib/Conservative ridings out there where sticking with the Liberals makes sense, but man I'm hoping to see some people take the "risk" and boot out the Liberals out of a few ridings they really haven't earned. I'm looking at you Vancouver Centre.
I've said this several times already, but looking beyond the horizon of this election, I honestly believe the world burning is the only way we will get off of fossil fuels. In the meantime, no one is going to give up their cars or stop eating meat. I've given up on seeing that in my lifetime. lol
I'm sure there's a few who would even vote for the extremes too and go PPC or NDP. Most won't ABC BLOCONDPPC, however.I mean people forget that Jim Harris, the previous Green leader, was a PC and believes in capitalistic solutions to environmental issues and is still an active member of the party so as for all of them defaulting to the Liberals? *shrug emoji*
Edit: although I suppose the Liberals believe that the free market will solve climate change, so maybe they'll be just at home. :p
I'm not saying we need to go to wartime rationing, but when shit got real, everyone in the Western world accepted that you were going to have to sacrifice in order to support the war effort.There's no way any sane political party would just shut down fossil fuel production in the country overnight.
Same with giving up cars, no way I could get around GTA on public transit.
I've drastically reduced eating meat and got an EV, not much else I can do except the rest catch up. Carbon tax is for people like me. More money.
Good thing no party is suggesting shutting it down overnight.There's no way any sane political party would just shut down fossil fuel production in the country overnight.
Same with giving up cars, no way I could get around GTA on public transit.
I've drastically reduced eating meat and got an EV, not much else I can do except the rest catch up. Carbon tax is for people like me. More money.
I'm not saying we need to go to wartime rationing, but when she got real, everyone in the Western world accepted that you were going to have to sacrifice in order to support the war effort.
I guess it's a question of whether or not human extinction is as much of a threat as the Nazis I suppose.
The only party that is looking at this as a metaphorical war effort like WWII is the Green.I'm not saying we need to go to wartime rationing, but when she got real, everyone in the Western world accepted that you were going to have to sacrifice in order to support the war effort.
I guess it's a question of whether or not human extinction is as much of a threat as the Nazis I suppose.
What was the main issue with this? Coming from a country that basically used ranked ballots/single transferrable vote FPTP just seems so backwards
Looking forward to the day I get to vote in Canada regardless of the system
I don't expect a permanent move toward socialism but a lot of FDRs policies from that time persist today. We still have our Medicare although the Cons are slowly moving to dismantle it.
Centrism happens when people are comfortable with the status quo with only mild to moderate changes. LPC polls at the levels they do because that's what people want.
Well, there are centrists that are active members of the NDP, but I'm not exactly going to throw the NDP or its current policy in the same centrist camp as the Liberals. And being a party member doesn't afford him more than his single vote and the party did change gears away from its libertarian leanings under his leadership to something more palatable (even those who can't stand the party have to admit it's better off than it was, even if you're still not a fan).I mean people forget that Jim Harris, the previous Green leader, was a PC and believes in capitalistic solutions to environmental issues and is still an active member of the party so as for all of them defaulting to the Liberals? *shrug emoji*
Edit: although I suppose the Liberals believe that the free market will solve climate change, so maybe they'll be just at home. :p
Gonna vote for whoever the heck I feel like because 2015 was the last election under FPTP. Oh wait.
Heard this quote on the CBC's Party Lines podcast (well worth a subscribe btw) and had to go fishing for it. A great argument against "strategic voting."
There's some tight Lib/Conservative ridings out there where sticking with the Liberals makes sense, but man I'm hoping to see some people take the "risk" and boot out the Liberals out of a few ridings they really haven't earned. I'm looking at you Vancouver Centre.
Since healthcare, it's just been a steady downward slide of disappointment coming from Saskatchewan, with a tiny bump thanks to corner gas and then right back to disappointment after the show stopped.We only got the medicare when we did and the way that we have by complete fluke, a chain of events that could never have happened any other way. To put it simply, Tommy Douglas got the ball rolling as the premier of Saskatchewan, his successor implemented it, then the country got a PM from Saskatchewan shortly after who was deeply proud of the model and its successes in the province, forced ideal conditions to roll it out, got a commission (chaired by someone from Saskatchewan) to agree that their provincial model was fit for use across the country... basically, you got it because of a single visionary, its working success, light arm-twisting through ideal financial terms for other provinces and (to be blunt) an immense dose of provincial pride. We're any of those conditions not been met, we'd likely be in a very different situation. It's only due to being able to make a fair comparison across many decades that we've managed to hang onto it, although it's not exactly in the shape it was when it was first introduced.
But to the first point, a lot of FDR's New Deal was implemented, but none of the pieces that make it sustainable survived. Some of them didn't even make it to the 1960s. The New Deal seemed wholly constructed to only be implemented long enough to end the Great Depression and was swiftly dismantled by Democrats that dominated the next 20 years or so, then finished off permanently by Republicans brick by brick. And it wasn't even ALL good. While it's an unpopular opinion, we basically took the tight leashes off of capitalism and never found a way to successfully put a new one on, and now we can never go back, so... to quote Lindsay Ellis, "thanks, I hate it!"
While FDR is looked on by most historians as some sort of folk hero and a champion of the left, his aim was clear: preserve capitalism without permanent restraint and put an end to talks of radical progress that were dominating the world. In that regard, he was a centrist who masqueraded as a true progressive.
Centrism ensures comfort is sustained through bandaid efforts to resolve issues and changing public perception that issues are being resolved even when they aren't (see: US progressives being fed the line that the civil rights movement put an end to racism), until the bubble bursts and it's too late or too daunting of a task to actually fix the problem.
Well, there are centrists that are active members of the NDP, but I'm not exactly going to throw the NDP or its current policy in the same centrist camp as the Liberals. And being a party member doesn't afford him more than his single vote and the party did change gears away from its libertarian leanings under his leadership to something more palatable (even those who can't stand the party have to admit it's better off than it was, even if you're still not a fan).
Also, last I recall, Jim Harris' most current position on the matter was (to paraphrase) "capitalists better do something legitimate about the climate beyond woke-washing, or the rich are on the menu". And, let's be honest, he's not wrong there. So at least it's not quite the hard line on how capitalism is the only solution, more like capitalism is the only solution if we intend for capitalism to survive and prevent a revolt, which is far more realistic.
I really wonder why the cons think this would work or fool anyone
You can hardly fault Singh specifically for this - or the NDP, their moments in power have been quite fleeting. I'm glad he's keeping the topic alive. But as mentioned upthread it just doesn't rank even in the top 5 issues for most people. It sucks but it's just political nerds like us who even know whats up with it. I don't think the party would take a hit - the independent analysis I remember reading indicated the opposite.Singh again being disingenuous. If it's that important make it a mandate for a coalition or stop fucking talking about it. Wonder why that isn't there? Oh yeah, cause he doesn't want his party to take the hit. Wow, such a good guy. Besides that, provincially, where the NDP have at least gotten power sometimes, why has pr not been passed? 🤔. You constantly keep trying to show Singh is so great yet don't like to be critical of him.
Ah yes that was unfair of meYou can't expect an American to be fully versed in the Westminster system. Gotta cut the guy and slack
What would the count be without the needless panicking?I just realized we past the 10,000 post mark and narry a peep!
Spectacle gets people's attention. Sad but true. And if this is what it takes for people to pay more attention, that seems like a good idea, even if we might find it tasteless.