Moon absolutely deserves the recognition. He's been fighting this fight far longer. Coming in after an impeached President and going right into talks with NK is no joke.
Peace in the Korean peninsula is more important than making sure Trump doesn't get any credit. I hate Trump but you people need to stop being petty and selfish. This is a seriously bad look..Tell that to the Trump worshippers rushing in here to exalt their bigoted overlord.
Hold my beer...(This is not even the most ridiculous stuff being said on this thread).
This is all Mexico's doing if you think about it. Mexico sent Not Their Best to the US only so Americans would vote for Trump, who would unify Korea via Twitter. Thank you, Mexico!
(This is not even the most ridiculous stuff being said on this thread).
Hmm.But yes i forget, most of resetERA only perceives the world in binary
He is a fascist. Do not celebrate fascists or their "accomplishments". No good comes from legitimizing this president.Only time and the history books will tell so theres really no need to 'bash' trump
I pretty much just go with what the consensus opinion from the trusted experts on NK have to say and many of them seem to be concerned at how much the language is similar to past agreements and how little solid commitments were made.
This is a good summary by Victor Cha.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/peace...know-about-koreas-summit-and-trump-kim-summit
Hmm.
Well it's pretty easy to do when one side is evil.
He is a fascist. Do not celebrate fascists or their "accomplishments". No good comes from legitimizing this president.
at absolute best it's gonna be the latter with somewhat more tradeso is North Korea + South Korea gonna join together into one big Korea or is it staying the same except they're just not gonna get hostile with each other?
sorry i'm idiot.
if anything his "hand" is in making Moon want to sidestep him as much as humanly possible, but if you point that out you're apparently blindly hatingWhy is everybody assuming Trump has a hand in this? It's two foreign countries making an agreement. Americans love to take credit for things they didn't do.
oh well at least there is hope of peace. maybe we won't be back here in 7-ish years.at absolute best it's gonna be the latter with somewhat more trade
based on prior track record, Kim's probably going to get sanctions relief and then we're gonna be right back here in 7-ish years
if anything his "hand" is in making Moon want to sidestep him as much as humanly possible, but if you point that out you're apparently blindly hating
THISI've watched enough GoT and The Americans to know this is all an elaborate trap by NK.
I pretty much just go with what the consensus opinion from the trusted experts on NK have to say and many of them seem to be concerned at how much the language is similar to past agreements and how little solid commitments were made.
This is a good summary by Victor Cha.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/peace...know-about-koreas-summit-and-trump-kim-summit
Maybe, maybe not. This is far from the first time North Korea has said "okay, we'll stop being assholes" in order to have sanctions relief. Then they just go back to doing what they've always done.
yep. same shit as every other time, but people still keep falling for it.
Q5: Should we be optimistic or pessimistic looking ahead?
A5: The summit between the two Koreas is another positive step in diplomacy that keeps the situation around the Korean peninsula peaceful, moving away from last year's atmosphere of crisis. The positive atmospherics of the meeting, and North Korea's continued adherence to a weapons testing moratorium should also be welcomed. However, the inter-Korean summit today perhaps raises more questions than it answers. There is clear agreement between the two Koreas that there should be no war on the Korean peninsula anymore. But it is still unclear whether the North Korean regime defines denuclearization in the same way as the United States (CVID—complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization). It is still unclear whether there will be an attenuation of the U.S. alliance commitment to South Korea as a condition for North Korea's denuclearization. And it is still unclear whether North Korea still believes that it can have its cake and eat it too (that is, keep its nuclear weapons while receiving economic and energy assistance for tension reduction).
Not quite.
Yeah, this thread is embarrassing.Peace in the Korean peninsula is more important than making sure Trump doesn't get any credit. I hate Trump but you people need to stop being petty and selfish. This is a seriously bad look..
I know you're referring to that study. Even if that were true, how would that magically erase the nukes and ICBMs they've already produced? Your previous comment made no sense.
I know you're referring to that study. Even if that were true, how would that magically erase the nukes and ICBMs they've already produced? Your previous comment made no sense.
The mountain above North Korea's main nuclear test site Punggye-ri has likely collapsed following a nuclear test last fall, sparking concerns about radioactive fallout and environmental catastrophes, according to geologists at the University of Science and Technology of China.
It comes less than a week after North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un announced the reclusive nation would immediately suspend nuclear and missile tests and scrap its testing site ahead of meetings with the United States and South Korea, now suggesting an alternative reason behind the site's closure.
"The onsite collapse calls for continued close monitoring of radioactive materials from the nuclear test site," the geologists wrote in a study that will appear in an upcoming issue of Geophysical Research Letters.
Nuclear explosions release enormous amounts of heat and energy. Following a nuclear bomb test on September 3 of last year, the researchers say the "explosion created a cavity and a damaged 'chimney' of rocks" out of nearby Mount Mantap that could be leaching radioactivity. Estimated at 100 kilotons, the blast was the sixth test 10 times stronger than any of the previous five. For comparison, the bomb that was detonated over Hiroshima in 1945 was 15 kilotons. About 8.5 minutes after the explosion, a magnitude 6.3 earthquake was recorded with four subsequent earthquakesgenerated in the following weeks.
By collecting high-quality seismic data and examining satellite imagery before and after the tests, scientists were able to determine where these earthquake swarms occurred and that they were indeed caused by the tests. Past tests have altered the area's capacity to withstand tectonic stress to the extent that previously inactive tectonic faults have reached a state of "critical failure". Further disturbances and future nuclear testing in the region could generate more destructive earthquakes.
"Given the history of the nuclear tests North Korea performed beneath this mountain, a nuclear test of a similar yield would produce collapses in an even larger scale creating an environmental catastrophe," says the paper.
The findings confirm a study published last month that found similar results, suggesting the tectonic events were in fact man-made and not the result of naturally occurring tectonic activity. The paper described the aftershock as most likely a "rapid destruction of an explosion-generated cracked rock chimney due to cavity collapse."
No radioactive materials have been collected along the North Korea-China border, but Chinese officials fear radioactive dust may be leaching through cracks and holes in the damaged mountain.
Yeah, this thread is embarrassing.
Anyway, great news, hopefully we can see the results in the short time.
Peace in the Korean peninsula is more important than making sure Trump doesn't get any credit. I hate Trump but you people need to stop being petty and selfish. This is a seriously bad look..
An actually good article regarding this:
Peace in the Korean peninsula is more important than making sure Trump doesn't get any credit. I hate Trump but you people need to stop being petty and selfish. This is a seriously bad look..
oh well at least there is hope of peace. maybe we won't be back here in 7-ish years.
Not only that you shouldn't give fascists credit for anything, also this is no different than all the other times they've done this shit under different names, NK is going to get sanctions lifted and then they are going to do whatever they want until the money runs dry again.I think it's extremely tacky that people come in with one-line posts "thanks trump!" and "noble peace prize for trump when???", with zero discussion about anything regarding the Korean peninsula. THAT'S what's selfish and self-centered.
The goal is to end the Korean war, prevent war with the US, denuclearization, and create openness in their side. No matter what, the death camps would not have gone away, and it was not going to be achieveable anyways. What will happen though is that S. Korea's soft power will change the psychological character of N. Korea. This is in fact already happening, the N. Korea of today is different than that from the 90s, and the idea that they are perpetually closed off in information is not true anymore. Change is coming, but it will take a long time.So we gonna do anything about those NK death camps now or does this legitimize them?
What's really a bad look is claiming people are saying Trump not getting credit is more important than peace in Korean peninsula. Stop spewing crap.
People are saying anyone claiming Trump deserves credit for the peace treaty are full of it and they are. Trump's only involvement was talking shit and making threats on Twitter calling Un the "rocket man" and other childish nonsense.
He deserves 0 credit and the Trump-supporting clowns on this site repeating to themselves otherwise isn't going to suddenly make it true.
Seriously, it's amazing to me how self centered American perspective on this is. The whole giving credit to Trump thing ignores how much work S. Korean government did to make this happen.
Good news.
Trump had fuck all to do with it. It almost reads like a pact against Trump and aggressive foreign policy to me.
Nah, he was US President and took a hardline and his UN ambassador pressed for and got security council sanctions and it was his wacky administration and intelligence photos showing China trying to help ship oil but getting caught finally causing Kim to breal and ask for help. Kim Jong-Un was not Kim Il-Sung or Kim Jong-Il. That is why he assasinated his older brother. His grip on the country has been far less strong than his dad and grandfather. He was also foreign educated, the military is starving, they have achieved full ballistic missile intelligence and nuclear testing capabilities that they can do this dog and pony show now. Look Trump is a shitheel but he will be historically remembered now for ending the Korean War. Wait for the photos of him with Kim and how they'll be seen 50 years from now as a Tear Down This Wall type moment.
Nah, he was US President and took a hardline and his UN ambassador pressed for and got security council sanctions and it was his wacky administration and intelligence photos showing China trying to help ship oil but getting caught finally causing Kim to breal and ask for help. Kim Jong-Un was not Kim Il-Sung or Kim Jong-Il. That is why he assasinated his older brother. His grip on the country has been far less strong than his dad and grandfather. He was also foreign educated, the military is starving, they have achieved full ballistic missile intelligence and nuclear testing capabilities that they can do this dog and pony show now. Look Trump is a shitheel but he will be historically remembered now for ending the Korean War. Wait for the photos of him with Kim and how they'll be seen 50 years from now as a Tear Down This Wall type moment.
One question, how furiously are you masturbating over Donald's picture right now?
Well, it sounds like he's gone down the conservative rabbit hole, and they don't have maturity or intelligence. I was merely making an attempt to communicate in a manner that they might understand, then maybe come to a conclusion about the error of his or her ways as a human being.
Well, it sounds like he's gone down the conservative rabbit hole, and they don't have maturity or intelligence. I was merely making an attempt to communicate in a manner that they might understand, then maybe come to a conclusion about the error of his or her ways as a human being.
Don't have to act superior when he's probably a trump supporter.Maybe try having a conversation with him on what you disagree with in his post instead of immediately hurling an insult and acting like you are superior?