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Breaking: North and South Korea will sign a peace treaty later this year
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Aye. Imprisoned by the dictator father of the very woman who got impeached, he's been working towards this for a very long time. I'm glad he's president of SK and he is very deserving of this opportunity and spotlight.
When people in this thread praise Trump like he was the mastermind behind all this, they really have no idea how much Moon has done and sacrificed to reach something like this. Trump does not deserve credit for sabre rattling over twitter. It is minuscule.
Peace in the Korean peninsula is more important than making sure Trump doesn't get any credit. I hate Trump but you people need to stop being petty and selfish. This is a seriously bad look..
You know who I give credit for this: Obama.
Because you know, Obama had nothing to do with helping our economy recover. It's all Trump. When the DOW falls, it's all Obama's fault. /s
Hmm.
Well it's pretty easy to do when one side is evil.
He is a fascist. Do not celebrate fascists or their "accomplishments". No good comes from legitimizing this president.
pfft, who needs expert opinions about how this isn't too materially different from the last several summits' joint declarations (all of which NK has violated) when we can just kneejerk about Nobels?
didn't know donald trump had complete power over the government until now
Why is everybody assuming Trump has a hand in this? It's two foreign countries making an agreement. Americans love to take credit for things they didn't do.
at absolute best it's gonna be the latter with somewhat more trade
based on prior track record, Kim's probably going to get sanctions relief and then we're gonna be right back here in 7-ish years
if anything his "hand" is in making Moon want to sidestep him as much as humanly possible, but if you point that out you're apparently blindly hating
oh well at least there is hope of peace. maybe we won't be back here in 7-ish years.
yep. same shit as every other time, but people still keep falling for it.
Maybe, maybe not. This is far from the first time North Korea has said "okay, we'll stop being assholes" in order to have sanctions relief. Then they just go back to doing what they've always done.
If this works out, great. But until further notice, I'm
And it's better if we all go into it that way rather than getting excited. Maybe Trump was irrational enough to have helped make this happen, maybe he was a non-factor, who knows, but we should also wait until all of the facts come out before giving him praise or hating on him (for this specific issue).
Hope it goes through.
Theres a lot of unknowns here. It will be easy to return NK to the status quo if theres no effort for getting rid of the nukes.. But, this article isn't really saying much besides lets wait and see. Hardly a nothingburger.
If NK just continues to do what they always do -- oh well? I welcome some good change, and look forward to the actions.
Theres a lot of unknowns here. It will be easy to return NK to the status quo if theres no effort for getting rid of the nukes.. But, this article isn't really saying much besides lets wait and see. Hardly a nothingburger.
If NK just continues to do what they always do -- oh well? I welcome some good change, and look forward to the actions.
Not quite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_inter-Korean_summit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_inter-Korean_summit
The first one in particular resulted in a joint declaration promising they work towards peace and eventual reunification.
Yeah, this thread is embarrassing.
Anyway, great news, hopefully we can see the results in the short time.
I know you're referring to that study. Even if that were true, how would that magically erase the nukes and ICBMs they've already produced? Your previous comment made no sense.
I understand. This is the thinking that I've read from countless sources, not my own:
ICBMs aren't nukes, as you know. They are just the delivery system for warheads. North Korea doesn't launch nukes, they test their nuclear detonations to publicize their progress toward one day having the capabilities to mass-produce nuclear weaponry that would make North Korea a legitimate threat to other countries. Ultimately, it's a bargaining chip. if they can no longer conduct nuclear tests with apparently increasing efficiency and power, they lose their bargaining chip they have used for decades to threaten national leaders into negotiating/bargaining in order to obtain economic relief. They have no real designs of indiscriminately attacking the US or Japan, if they have any sense of self-preservation.
Testing nukes has brought their enemies to the table once again. Their nuclear program is working just as planned. It has never been anywhere close to this advanced with their development of improved ICBM weapon systems. So, the thinking is that if they are apparently giving so much of their bargaining power for so little, there are many people out there who believe that North Korea no longer has faith they can continue to go to that well and thus are VERY eager to use the success of the ICBM program to get as much relief they can while they can still project strength.
Watching President Trump's language as of late, it's clear to me that he has been advised that NK is no longer negotiating from the same position of strength that they once were. He seems almost cold and aloof on the idea of negotiating. Almost like he is projecting that he expects it to be a worthless endeavor. That's all just bluster at the behest of his national security advisors, I'm sure. All of this together leads me to agree with the opinion out there that perhaps North Korea's position has degraded not only because of the continued sanctions, but because they simply have had a massive massive setback in nuclear testing capabilities.
You are free to disagree, but I'm sure you can at least acknowledge that it makes sense.
That makes much more sense than "Trump did it".
http://www.iflscience.com/policy/th...ea-halted-nuclear-testing-and-its-terrifying/
http://www.iflscience.com/policy/th...ea-halted-nuclear-testing-and-its-terrifying/
Trump supporters are indeed embarrassing. That is an immoral life to live.
Also, people not willing to give Trump full credit in this thread have no affect on the peace process. So everyone can stop with the lectures.
I think it's extremely tacky that people come in with one-line posts "thanks trump!" and "noble peace prize for trump when???", with zero discussion about anything regarding the Korean peninsula. THAT'S what's selfish and self-centered.
An actually good article regarding this:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-...st-facility-is-damaged-experts-say-1524643948
And a twitter thread:
What's really a bad look is claiming people are saying Trump not getting credit is more important than peace in Korean peninsula. Stop spewing crap.
People are saying anyone claiming Trump deserves credit for the peace treaty are full of it and they are. Trump's only involvement was talking shit and making threats on Twitter calling Un the "rocket man" and other childish nonsense.
He deserves 0 credit and the Trump-supporting clowns on this site repeating to themselves otherwise isn't going to suddenly make it true.
Try days or weeks at this rate, fascist trumpolini at the helm.
Not only that you shouldn't give fascists credit for anything, also this is no different than all the other times they've done this shit under different names, NK is going to get sanctions lifted and then they are going to do whatever they want until the money runs dry again.
What Trumpolini ends up doing when NK inevitably keeps being NK, is what scares me, he will take it deeply personally and that isn't good for anyone on the planet, because he's a fucking sociopathic dipshit madman.
The goal is to end the Korean war, prevent war with the US, denuclearization, and create openness in their side. No matter what, the death camps would not have gone away, and it was not going to be achieveable anyways. What will happen though is that S. Korea's soft power will change the psychological character of N. Korea. This is in fact already happening, the N. Korea of today is different than that from the 90s, and the idea that they are perpetually closed off in information is not true anymore. Change is coming, but it will take a long time.
Seriously, it's amazing to me how self centered American perspective on this is. The whole giving credit to Trump thing ignores how much work S. Korean government did to make this happen.
Well not only that but it ignores the fact that we literally have done nothing except have our dumbfuck, mouth-breathing, white trash piece of shit president escalate and make threats on the internet. He literally did the opposite of help.
Nah, he was US President and took a hardline and his UN ambassador pressed for and got security council sanctions and it was his wacky administration and intelligence photos showing China trying to help ship oil but getting caught finally causing Kim to breal and ask for help. Kim Jong-Un was not Kim Il-Sung or Kim Jong-Il. That is why he assasinated his older brother. His grip on the country has been far less strong than his dad and grandfather. He was also foreign educated, the military is starving, they have achieved full ballistic missile intelligence and nuclear testing capabilities that they can do this dog and pony show now. Look Trump is a shitheel but he will be historically remembered now for ending the Korean War. Wait for the photos of him with Kim and how they'll be seen 50 years from now as a Tear Down This Wall type moment.
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One question, how furiously are you masturbating over Donald's picture right now?
Well, it sounds like he's gone down the conservative rabbit hole, and they don't have maturity or intelligence. I was merely making an attempt to communicate in a manner that they might understand, then maybe come to a conclusion about the error of his or her ways as a human being.
Maybe try having a conversation with him on what you disagree with in his post instead of immediately hurling an insult and acting like you are superior?
Don't have to act superior when he's probably a trump supporter.
Like, there's no discussion to be had.
EDIT: Oh wait are you mad because you are also a Trump supporter? I mean...that makes sense I make a lot of conservatives angry.
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