I wonder if people here have seen the gaming side of ERA. Seems kind of right wing at times..
Bernie Sanders urges better messaging/Latino outreach from Biden campaign
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I wonder if people here have seen the gaming side of ERA. Seems kind of right wing at times..
I don't live in America, I live in Ireland.
happy to leave this now. I'm just saying what I believe I see and read. Also not saying anything wrong with what anyone's beliefs are either
Yup, because the vast majority of users here are from the US or Western Europe and almost all leftists in the US or Western Europe are recently reformed liberals cause everyone in these societies is indoctrinated into liberalism by nearly every facet of society.The center is the dominant ideology of internet social media. There is a universe of leftism beyond what you see on era.
I do not think this place even covers 2sd of the left. Even the socialism thread is mostly recently reformed liberals.
appreciate this kind of response. But I am respectfully leaving this thread.
apologies if I annoyed anyone
It drives me crazy that people don't/can't think that far ahead. They seem to just focus on the now (which is ridiculous).
Liberalism is the dominant ideology of Western Europe though, so idk what you being from Ireland changes about anything anyone has said to you.
Seeing people further to the left than you is not a bad thing, you should hear them out.
Maybe people shouldn't be gatekeeping how left other people are.
He's not even saying that he's wrong, just that he needs to do better.
He's not even saying that he's wrong, just that he needs to do better.
I think people can divorce the ideas from the ability to impart the ideas in a way that doesn't alienate many. I like Bernies ideas but it's clear he is not able to express them in a way to win the nomination of the party. We can go through reasons why, some fair, some unfair, but in the end this is what we have.
Then we can look at the electorate and realize, in my opinion, Americans are okay with progressive ideas but not progressive politicians.
As far as that litigation, it's hard to remain unbiased about Hillary at this point. I have such strong feelings I'm not sure I can adequately judge the efficacy of Bernie's campaigning.
Era is very left leaning - but only relative to what is considered left in mainstream politics, and only in reference to what is on the spectrum of "left" in the USA.
It has people who are more liberal or more moderate/center left, and has some people that even may hold positions that are associated with the US right...but taken as a whole, it is very left leaning. The only people that might disagree with that are people who may be the most left in that US political spectrum, and people that hold what are considered more "radical" sociopolitical or economic beliefs/ideologies...and that's fair too, as some of those people may not even be in America (if you're in other countries, what is on the spectrum of "left" here might be straight-up right wing, lol) or considering their politics in a global/world context.
Really though, it's only thrown out there for argument's/discussion's sake.
It has people who are more liberal or more moderate/center left, and has some people that even may hold positions that are associated with the US right...but taken as a whole, it is very left leaning. The only people that might disagree with that are people who may be the most left in that US political spectrum, and people that hold what are considered more "radical" sociopolitical or economic beliefs/ideologies...and that's fair too, as some of those people may not even be in America (if you're in other countries, what is on the spectrum of "left" here might be straight-up right wing, lol) or considering their politics in a global/world context.
Really though, it's only thrown out there for argument's/discussion's sake.
Lmao, he came in second, what is this revisionist history?
Most people who run political campaigns don't win. That doesn't mean they all have bad ideas.
I'm just saying, that's not what this thread is about. It's not the Leftist Olympics. Why go off on that tangent?
I believe ideas that he expresses have a chance to make things better. But the problem with populism is tying these ideas to a specific person. The ideas are good no matter who they come from. Not sure where people are saying only he can save America though. I don't think he would say that either.
I was replying to someone just as I am free to. You seem to have a bit of an issue with thread policing, so you either need to contact a mod about this issue or maybe look into becoming one yourself.
They are explaining the difference between the views espoused by the average user on this forum and the full spectrum of political thought. They aren't telling anyone they can't be further left.
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Everybody's free (to wear sunscreen) but we don't need every thread to devolve into people getting out the tape measure, and saying it's okay to not do it is me being free to reply to people as well.
Regardless of how we feel about moderation on here, I can't imagine becoming a mod would make things easier in any way for someone. :p
Yep.
He needs to immediately begin showing exactly how he's going to make policies better for a diverse group of people.
Start doing something to get people inspired, instead of just not being Trump.
Hope the Democrats don't drop this in spectacular fashion again.
He needs to immediately begin showing exactly how he's going to make policies better for a diverse group of people.
Start doing something to get people inspired, instead of just not being Trump.
Hope the Democrats don't drop this in spectacular fashion again.
Sure, but this is you deliberately trying to police what can and cannot said in the thread as well and using loaded terms like 'gatekeeping' to misrepresent what's even being said. I've seen you do it in several threads, too.
Exactly. Thank you.
Why are you putting words in my mouth?
I posted in this very thread that he does have good ideas on policy.
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I agree. Bidens' slips from Clinton with latino voters in some swing states like Florida could offset the gains he's made with 65+ white people. I'm not sure how to do it though.
Well he could, you know, try actually doing it at all. Or consult with Bernie and his campaign staff about how they did it, since they connected well with those voters.
Volimar used to be a mod, I just thought it was funny.
On topic: I think it's pretty clear the Biden strategy is to target the suburbs. I remember reporting that the biggest swing voters right now are middle class white women. So I wonder if he can win Florida while targeting those voters and ignoring Latino ones.
He does have targeted ads out, but it's a drop in the bucket of what he should be doing, not just as a nominee but as someone who claims to be representing their interests.
I'm not sure that will help anywhere besides Florida, I think a Mid-Western/Rust Belt focus would be better, which would include reaching out to Muslim immigrant communities for states like Minnesota, but also unfortunately the election still needs to cater somewhat to the white undecided because they always seem to turn out.
I'd say the total lack of self-awareness of this post is unbelievable, but it's actually fairly common around here.
Maybe you need to actually follow the conversation before making a weak gatcha attempt, which is also fairly common here. If you have something to add to the argument, then go ahead, but otherwise I offer the same advice I did to them.
I've read the entire thread, but your condescension is noted.
What works for Republicans doesn't necessarily work for Democrats. Given it's black voters, especially black women who carry the party across the finish line I don't think leaning into white nationalism would be a winning strategy here. But I agree with your point.
It's particularly egregious given how much of a focal point bigotry against Latinos is in Trump's rhetoric and policy. You'd think you would want to provide an extremely strong counter to that
For months the biden campaign has been aware of its shitty latino outreach and they chose to remedy that by hiring ana navarro. :\
To be fair, she's only there to get one aspect of one group of Latinos, but in a way that's even worse because they should be doing so much more.
The whole COVID situation is a double-edged sword. It's obviously the most pressing issue and where Trump is particularly vulnerable, but at the same time, it's caused everyone to ignore all the awful stuff he did prior to it. I do think there's a smart strategy to merge the two, considering how much more affected Blacks and Latinos are by the pandemic.
Wel you know Bernie, the Democratic Party has forgotten about black people all together and takes their votes for granted. May want to you know do something about that also
Yeah hiring a Republican political operative is not what I would call a good move.
No, it has definitely not caused everyone to ignore those things. Maybe it caused suburban white america to ignore them, but maybe Biden should be focused on more than just suburban white america.
Nah, gotta find a way to blame minorities and young people if they lose.