Berliners call for 4x4 ban after four people killed in collision
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People mad about SUVs can stay mad. I bought one in April because I regularly travel 1000km round trips to the girlfriend and when I bring my dog I don't want him in the back seat. He's able to have his own space in the back and I still have room for storage. Also, winter's can get down to -40 and below, with lots of ice and snow, so a reliable vehicle that can drive in conditions like that with winter tires is needed. I've been stuck in a ditch before. I know some cars have awd (Subaru's especially), but the extra space the vehicle I bought gives me a lot of freedom. It's not too bad on gas either, although I do wish it was a hybrid.
What is it with people's hatred for trucks and SUVs. Yes, they are big and use a lot of gas but they have their uses.
Good idea. Unless of course you care about residual value. Good luck trying to sell that kind of car in the future! Better drive it until someone tells you you're an asshole because you drive an old car which doesn't comply to state of the art emission standards.
Well that is one way of somewhat reducing CO2 emissions in cities. Those things usually have bigger engines than the equivalent.
Never heard SUV referred to as a 4x4 before. By "tank like 4x4" I thought they meant armoured ATVs or something 🤔
This is nothing. Should see some of the trucks driving around in the US. Now those are tanks and yes I think they should be banned. Not standard SUVs like this Porche though.
People don't need a lot of the things they buy. They buy them because they like them. I've never owned an SUV in my life and probably never will, but I don't really care that others buy them. Well, except for the fact that crossovers are killing the market for station wagons and actual 4x4 SUV's.
Hi, I live in a city where the roads are so bad, cars bottom out regularly and trash transmissions, oil pans, etc. If you want to bad SUVs on the basis of mpg, I could see that as an argument. I own an SUV in the city for that reason and that I have two kids, a wife and a dog which requires 4+ seats.
All other arguments are bunk I would say.
All other arguments are bunk I would say.
So they should be banned because people want to buy them, while being no more dangerous (and in many cases far less) than the plethora of commercial vehicles that occupy major city roads?
Again, the people who said this bann shit don't mean cars with all-wheel-drives but SUVs. Which is still BS because the class of SUV is already watered down with many cross models like the macan, Q3, Q5, T-Cross etc. Many are not even the hight of some family vans like a Touran.ban awd tanks like these
I'm always weirded out when I see a big full size truck parked on the street in my Seattle neighborhood. The streets are super narrow and most people live in apartments so what are they needing them for?
Shit, whenever I borrow my dad's (who lives in the suburbs) truck for yard work and park it in my driveway I feel like a giant asshole.
Shit, whenever I borrow my dad's (who lives in the suburbs) truck for yard work and park it in my driveway I feel like a giant asshole.
But there's literally no way to reasonably measure whether fuel consumption is essential or not. Unless you wanted to GPS plan your trip and then submit an application which both shows your route and explains why you must drive instead of using some other method, or submitting an explanation as to why the use of a car might be essential or not.
Reusing and repairing is a big component of sustainable practices. I can't see a new car bought in the last year or so falling that far outside emissions standards over the next 10 years.
Frankly if you're buying a car for how much it'll be worth later you're doing it wrong. Best way to become a millionaire in the car market is to go in a billionaire.
Most people don't need their cars either, but most people would agree that it would be unreasonable to ask them to forgo them in place of motorcycles. Just let people buy the cars they want. Assuming they're roadworthy and compliant, I don't see the issue if you're buying a car regardless.
To have the smallest dick? We're talking about a compact SUV here. Its a "tall" hatchback that is still shorter than almost all adults. Jesus, how hard it to form a slightly informed opinion before posting.
Threads a good precursor for the inevitable bans in the future from the government in a futile attempt to stop global warming. I read somewhere about rationing fuel by dividing between public and private business within the next 20 years, that'll be a good thread.
Also strangely have a better understanding of gun advocates.
Also strangely have a better understanding of gun advocates.
I liked the price point and safety ratings of the Kia Sedona and Sorento 🤷♂️
If anything SUVs are just smaller minivans, since most minivans have more interior space than most SUVs.
Each passing day on the road makes me feel that I need to also get an SUV so I can see past three selfish entitled SUV drivers around me. It's fucking annoying seeing these idiots driving just themselves or their partner to work or whatever in these oversized vehicles.
Perhaps this will lead us to the promised utopia wherein the wagon ascends to its rightful place as king of the automotive world. Anything a SUV can do, a properly sorted wagon can do better.
Except off-roading, which is a moot point anyways since 99.8% of SUV drivers never see anything more intense then a gravel driveway.
Except off-roading, which is a moot point anyways since 99.8% of SUV drivers never see anything more intense then a gravel driveway.
This is so fuckling dumb. People can have an SUV and use it as it is intended and also use it to carry one person. Like what sort of entitlement do you have getting mad at people for driving a vehicle? I swear, some people here want everyone in a one seater.
Go on...what have you learned about gun advocates from this thread?
That trend keeps you awfully busy on the Internet.
How so? Are you extrapolating opinions in this thread into such gems as "SUVs don't kill people, bad people with SUVs kill people? "? Maybe "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a truck is a good guy with a truck"? That people are indifferent to all the school massacres committed with SUVs?
Please, don't leave us hanging in anticipation.
That a restriction that seems sensible, in this case restricting over-sized vehicles from city centers, to some people can feel like a threat to their way of life.
The Macan is what this thread was about. A Macan. Here is another study. Semis kill pedestrian at a higher percentage than SUVs. Ban shipping? Have everything shipped in small hatches?
I drive a crossover, which I don't consider to be an SUV, and it's larger than the vehicle in the OP.
I'm for banning all but a limited style of guns and of those they all have to be IDed, chipped, everything.
I really don't think these issues are related. There aren't mass SUV accidents. Teens aren't driving SUVs into schools or malls. I'm not aware of any peer reviewed scientific research in SUVs plowing into people as an epidemic. If it's a city with tiny roads, yes a ban makes sense.
I'm also environmentally active. I was in an environmentalist club in high school. I drove a civic until recently but life stuff makes a crossover make more sense - Moving elderly parents and having kids. Pilot gets ~20mpg average and for other stuff we use my wife's sonata at 30+mpg. I pay for 100% renewable electricity and avoid air travel, but I don't aggressively flaunt it as some have in this thread. My concern is that people have polarized and conflated viewpoints into 2 buckets, don't understand or tolerate different life situations. It's not constructive, but anyway that's my 2 cents.
You're right; I was thinking more like a Chevy Suburban but they're smaller these days.
I don't understand what I'm reading here
You guys want to ban SUVs and anything bigger than SUVs?
Cars are dying, manufacturers are discontinuing the traditional cars, 2/4D sedans. SUVs are best seller seller vehicles as of late.
You guys want to ban SUVs and anything bigger than SUVs?
Cars are dying, manufacturers are discontinuing the traditional cars, 2/4D sedans. SUVs are best seller seller vehicles as of late.
How about driving something that's more economical (the majority of all SUVs aren't electric or hybrids), more environmentally friendly, and not a goddamn inconvenience and danger to others around you.
How is it an inconvenience to others? Car makers are not selling cars anymore because cars are not seen as you useful to the market.
