They right..... for a character so simple and pure it is amazing how often people get superman wrong. And don't come in with that bullshit Kill Bill speech, one it couldn't be more wrong and 2 look who is giving it.
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Avengers: Endgame writers on their thoughts for a Superman movie: “You don't have to dirty him up"
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They right..... for a character so simple and pure it is amazing how often people get superman wrong. And don't come in with that bullshit Kill Bill speech, one it couldn't be more wrong and 2 look who is giving it.
Since the start, between the DC movies and Injustice, stop making Supes fucking edgy to make him appealing. Ignore people who talk about how he's a 'boring boyscout'. Work around him.
All Star Superman, arguably the greatest cape comic book arc of all time, no grim edgy shit. Just Superman being Superman
All Star Superman, arguably the greatest cape comic book arc of all time, no grim edgy shit. Just Superman being Superman
In this age of cynicism I think a good, hopeful Superman movie as a counterpoint could be just what people need.
That's why I prefer Superman's nickname of "The Man of Tomorrow" over any others he's had.
He's supposed to be an inspirational figure. An example of what we could be if only we would act like that.
It's why I never liked it when people try to point out for Man of Steel that " by killing Zod he learns that killing people is the wrong thing to do"
The man was raised on a farm in Kansas. I'm pretty sure he knows killing is wrong just like I do
He's supposed to be an inspirational figure. An example of what we could be if only we would act like that.
It's why I never liked it when people try to point out for Man of Steel that " by killing Zod he learns that killing people is the wrong thing to do"
The man was raised on a farm in Kansas. I'm pretty sure he knows killing is wrong just like I do
Yeah, a Superman that's just... Superman... would be perfect. It worked for Chris Reeves. Just have him be who he is, we don't need a gritty, realistic or cynical version of him. He's far more valuable as a moral compass than a Jesus analogy, too.
Snyder looked at all the DC source material and said gonna create my own shit..
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Yep. I used to be someone that hated the idea of a "perfect" Superman, but Steve Roger's arc proved me wrong. Literally just make Superman like MCU Captain America. That's it.
"B-b-b-b-ut MUH FLAWS"
THAT IS YOUR CHARACTER'S FLAW. Too righteous and and idealistic to the point where it causes conflicts with other heroes and gets challenged when the world throws dirt in his face.
"B-b-b-b-ut MUH FLAWS"
THAT IS YOUR CHARACTER'S FLAW. Too righteous and and idealistic to the point where it causes conflicts with other heroes and gets challenged when the world throws dirt in his face.
The Captain America movies are basically what Superman should be.
Superman being "too corny" for film is such an outdated way of thinking.
Superman being "too corny" for film is such an outdated way of thinking.
Superman is a man first, everything else second. Clark is the true hero and he would be one with or without powers. There's a reason he's a journalist when he could simply be a hero at all times. It's because he believes in the human values he was raised with. He's inspirational and genuine.
Sure, but also, there's nothing wrong with feeling that Superman's real superpower being that he was raised by a couple of white Kansas farmers doesn't really float anymore, either. A good movie is a good movie. The problem isn't the idea, the problem is that the movies have been shitty.
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I would say him just being a good dude would be something fresh and a novelty.
The fuck is up with the moonMy favorite superman cover, cause it nails who Superman is
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First page and already a bunch of Snyder responses lol.
Why does Nolans name never get brought up anyway? He came up with the pitch for Man Of Steel, came up with the story and produced it. Nolans fingerprints are all over it.
Why does Nolans name never get brought up anyway? He came up with the pitch for Man Of Steel, came up with the story and produced it. Nolans fingerprints are all over it.
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Simple and pure is for idealistic comic books. Bringing that to live-action makes Superman seem like a naive simpleton.
i think, while generally accurate that you dont have to fundamentally change superman, there's a big difference between Supes and Captain America
Cap at the end of the day is just a dude with super juice in him. We see him weak, we see him frail, we see his struggle. The reason for his strength of character, his modus operandi "I don't like bullies" is explained and we see him as a victim to the thing he ultimately fights against. He's also literally from the 1920s (in a way, so is Superman,) so that quaintness and those boyscout charms come built in with the cryo-time-travel shenanigans. Supes is basically god-tier universal level alien being with a miraculous heart of gold. Granted, yes, Chris Reeves and Richard Donner pulled it off... it's doable, but it's not easy and I don't think Captain America is the template necessarily.
Cap at the end of the day is just a dude with super juice in him. We see him weak, we see him frail, we see his struggle. The reason for his strength of character, his modus operandi "I don't like bullies" is explained and we see him as a victim to the thing he ultimately fights against. He's also literally from the 1920s (in a way, so is Superman,) so that quaintness and those boyscout charms come built in with the cryo-time-travel shenanigans. Supes is basically god-tier universal level alien being with a miraculous heart of gold. Granted, yes, Chris Reeves and Richard Donner pulled it off... it's doable, but it's not easy and I don't think Captain America is the template necessarily.
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Dark and Miserable = Adult
You aren't supposed to enjoy capes because that's for babies.
I love that cover. What is it from?My favorite superman cover, cause it nails who Superman is
Superman being God-level just brings a new set of problems different from Captain America. Superman's power makes him basically an atomic bomb trying to do good without destroying innocent people. His strength attracts would-be monsters to where he is but if he were to leave, lower level criminals would take over the city.
as shitty as the 360 Superman game was, it has the absolute perfect analogy for Superman. Superman's health bar is the City's health.
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True words.
I know there are points some people could probably nitpick, but it really is a great Superman story. That last line he drops on Luthor is 100% Superman.
Not a perfect soldier but a good man
Tucci nailed it so well
Just give Supes something comparable.
I used to be down on both him and Cap but now I get it. m&m could fix supes for sure because they've already made the best one.
(Still don't get the appeal of the hulk thoooo)
Tucci nailed it so well
Just give Supes something comparable.
I used to be down on both him and Cap but now I get it. m&m could fix supes for sure because they've already made the best one.
(Still don't get the appeal of the hulk thoooo)
I mean, that's the drama though. Purity and simplicity conflicting against unyielding corruption and destruction that doesn't fight fair. That's why Superman was so interesting for so long, it represented an ideal of how things should be versus how they are.
And none of the movies deal with that. Which is dumb.
Seriously a Superman vs Brainiac, in this social climate, would be massive.
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Action comics 869, it is kinda of rare. They recalled it because it had them drinking beer.
And... my point has been refuted how? Besides Cap isn't that pure. He's idealistic but he still got down and dirty in WW2. Superman is what Cap wishes he was in his fever dreams.
I am tired of boyscout Superman. There needs to be a middle ground. Snyder didn't hit it, but this isn't the right answer either.
I like this a lot.My favorite superman cover, cause it nails who Superman is
We had "nice guy" Supes who came inside of Lois then erased her memory so she probably thought she had been date raped...