Apple fires back in court, says Epic Games CEO asked for special treatment [Tim Sweeney Denies]
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Thank you. I thought i was the only one thinking this. This is obvious and logic
Pretty easy to tell who actually read the email in this thread, haha.
An email so correct it shows Apple is the one that actually controls Android customers choice of app store and payment processing system.
There were 2 emails before they were kicked out. One asking for a special deal and another telling Apple they willingly broke the agreement.
Edit: Second email when they broke the agreement:
Lol, this is satirical reality at its best.
Burn's a tad strong, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see them knocked down a couple of pegs.
...same goes for Epic too though, so maybe it's a win-win.
The email specifically asks about opening another store to devs or sending Epic a specific side agreement outside the standard App Store terms. He absolutely was saying he was interested in a deal that would just satisfy Epic.
This is the same Tim Sweeney that limits consumer choice on PC, right?
Read the letter again. In fact a lot of you in this thread should.
I mean, not really, but some of the point in the lawsuit was Epic grandstanding about not wanting a better deal for themselves but for everyone, which this shows wasnt really the case.
Since when did Apple ever support "building open platforms"? Since their conception, they have been a purposefully closed ecosystem - both software and hardware - both as PC and Phone. It's pretty obvious that they won't change that, and any side-deal here wouldn't be in alignment with their long-term view around their business. Not sure what Epic or tim thought would happen here... Not a fan of Apple at all (All hail Amiga!!) - but creating a separate paywall within Apple's was bound to fail.
Yeah him
Maybe you should? Seems a lot of people are missing where he suggests Apple satisfy the issue with a special set of agreements for Epic. He definitely was up for taking a special deal and it is in the email.
People defending Epic trying to get a special deal?
They got a "no", went rogue and Apple did what they had to do: enforce the terms Epic agreed to.
"Epic is requesting that Apple agree in principle to permit Epic to roll out these options for the benfit of all iOS customers. We hope that Apple will also make these options equally available to all IOS developers."
I feel like this line is important here, as Sweeney likes to weasel his words all the time. This is pretty specific and pointed though which I is on purpose.
Taking into account that the first email has an errata were it says Apple controls Android (last paragraph), I must bet on these emails being copy pasted to both Google and Apple.
What's incorrect here? He clearly says Epic would take a special deal and set of agreements for themselves to end this. He was not fighting for all devs initially and offered to take special terms for Epic.
He wants Apple to open up the option to give Indie Devs the ability to use their own payment processor (they don't have one) and side load their own App Store (they don't have one). Totally Epic fighting for the little guy!
The email read to me that they want to get a special deal first and foremost and then he gave himself a little loophole of "oh yeah, them too." Both companies are just beating their chest at his point and trying to see who backs down first.
apple fans were known as isheep
android fans were known as fandroids
what are epic fans known as?
android fans were known as fandroids
what are epic fans known as?
While I agree Tim was looking for a deal, he states in the e-mail that he hopes Apple "makes these options equally available to all iOS developers", not only to Epic as Phil Schiller said there.
That's called sugar-coating. They're in this lawsuit for themselves, but they're trying to sell it as an industry-wide fight with the hope that suckers buy into it.
I'm having a hard time finding where on this it says Epic would not take the deal if Apple only gave it to them, can you help me out?
That seems to be a bit of a bitch eating cracker statement. They want the walled garden down for everyone
Seems you didn't. They offer the same lies said to justify EGS. Still waiting for those supposed lower prices, 60 bucks games say hi.
Epic wants the walled garden down enough where they benefit. They want indie devs on their iOS App Store using their payment processor.
The "little guy" gets nothing from Apple dropping the walled garden.
?? This makes no sense. I didn't read the letter because EGS didn't lower their games from 60 bucks. Right. The savings they are talking about in this letter already happened btw, the microtransactions were 20% off.
This has nothing to do with the fact he said he would like a deal for just Epic and would like a side letter to allow special permissions for Epic. He was never originally setting terms to fight for all devs. His original terms were in acceptance of allowing Epic a special set of agreements and use of hosting on the App Store without charge.
Read the letter again.
He's using Epic in Name because it's his company and obviously he can't speak in name of others when setting demands. He's asking for options for _all_ ios developers. Very clearly so.
the Apple letter also points out (a bit further down from the screenshot) that this would impact microsoft, Sony and Nintendo as well
This has been said before insinuated before but if a developer doesn't have to adhere to Apple's currently strict rules and % cut, how do they genuinely not benefit from that?
c'mon mate... really?
'i want a thing'... 'b b b but others can have a thing as well'
nah
Lol? Really?
Android allowed to sideload the game just fine before it was on the Play Store. They also sued Google for taking them down after breaking the Google Play Developer agreement they AGREED to.
And lol, claiming they want the walled garden down when they are creating their own walled garden in PC with exclusives and uh, the lack of even playing with Steam copies on PC until recently?
Bruh, let go of the Epic Kool aid.
Literally everything people said here on Era in multiple threads is on like fist two or three sections. Everything from breaching contract and doing this to themselves to ignoring Sony, MS and Nintendo.
I don't see the lie. It's possible to ask Apple to do one thing voluntarily (in the past) while not seeking the same thing in the current lawsuit.