This is a really dangerous line of thinking that tends to lead one to some of the darker subreddits out there.We need to change society to start carrying about men as they do with women.
This is a really dangerous line of thinking that tends to lead one to some of the darker subreddits out there.We need to change society to start carrying about men as they do with women.
I see. I think Platy may have meant to make a comparison to something different, maybe due to English not being their first language or some other reason.
Just wanted to clarify, because legally requiring permission for this procedure sounds... insane.
There's no story here.
There's nothing stopping men from sharing their own stories with the hashtag.
Are you serious with this?There's no story here.
There's nothing stopping men from sharing their own stories with the hashtag.
It's not. The actual abuse allegations became part of MeToo, regardless of gender, but the wider cultural discussion surround women that occurred never expanded to male victims.This feels more like fragile masculinity over the fact that something isn't solely about men or men don't have the full reigns/dangerously MRA territory. I'm sure these same guys also felt outcasted by the Women's March or something right?
There have been plenty of males coming out in support and with their own MeToo moments without co-opting the movement away from females.
Well, that's insane, and another on the long list of reasons that the US are a terrible place right now.I already read LOTS of stories of women needing permission from a man even when being single for steriliation.
Here in brazil it is a LAW but i heard lots of stories from single women in the usa with the same problem
10 seconds twitter search
https://twitter.com/syd_viciously/status/803026786489511936
https://twitter.com/Cark_B/status/860600369260380160
https://twitter.com/carathewalton/status/860571286296244226 (2 more in the replies in this one)
https://twitter.com/chriseppstein/status/961497301154844674
I could have just said "receive death threats when you go to another state to get a vasectomy on of the only clinics avaliable where you are required to see shitty pics of dead babies and pass lots of christian protesters complaining that you will kill your sperms" but it is way too long =P
Are you serious with this?
For alot of people nothing is this easy.
I already read LOTS of stories of women needing permission from a man even when being single for steriliation.
Here in brazil it is a LAW but i heard lots of stories from single women in the usa with the same problem
10 seconds twitter search
https://twitter.com/syd_viciously/status/803026786489511936
https://twitter.com/Cark_B/status/860600369260380160
https://twitter.com/carathewalton/status/860571286296244226 (2 more in the replies in this one)
https://twitter.com/chriseppstein/status/961497301154844674
"Men are historically considered the bad guys," suggested Brown, referring to public attitudes. "If some men abuse women, then we all are abusers ourselves ... so therefore when it comes to our being abused, we deserve it."
That just seems like a regressive mentality to assign to abused women. I'm going to need to see some examples of abused women telling an abused man he deserves the abuse.
From my point of view based on multiple discussions I've had, men feeling unwelcome to speak up or ashamed is a result of toxic masculinity and not women empowerment. MRA voices will tell men not to show emotions but will shout about how important it is for men to gain equal rights in child right's to declare their cause as just.
I thought anyone could relay their stories with the hashtag, not just women.
Legit question, what's stopping them?
This. While still anecdotal, I think a lot of men who come out to talk about their rape or sexual abuse are met with scorn or dismissal from the same people that express sympathy towards women. A common thing I've seen is that a man can't be raped by a woman because rape is about unwanted penetration.I posted about being assaulted on Twitter and got literally 20+ accounts (90% female avi's) saying that women can't rape men, If I was hard I must have wanted it etc etc etc.
Luckily I really don't give a fuck about strangers throwing hissy fits, but I can see someone else in the same situation having a real bad time with the harassment I received.
It's even worse when men try to speak about being victims of domestic violence.
As someone who is also bisexual, I think about this parallel sentiment all the time.I agree this is related to toxic maculinity. However for everyone saying "males are supported when they speak out, Terry crews, Spacey etc".
This reminds me of my situation regarding my bisexuality.
I knew that if I ever actually came out to my friends they would accept me. But at the same time these same friends would use "fag" and other gay slurs often. It was like, it was okay to make fun of someone for being gay, unless they were actually gay.
That behavior really discourages people to speak up, even if they know deep down their friends would support them.
This. While still anecdotal, I think a lot of men who come out to talk about their rape or sexual abuse are met with scorn or dismissal from the same people that express sympathy towards women. A common thing I've seen is that a man can't be raped by a woman because rape is about unwanted penetration.
It's less so about feeling left behind, I think, but more about witnessing other men get shouted down by people who want to invalidate that experience—while 100% standing behind #metoo when women speak up. At least that's what it is for me. Easier to stay quiet about it than to share my story and deal with the extreme and disheartening dissonance I see happen.
Ultimately it's toxic masculinity combined with the societal axiom that men are always ready to go.
This. Was going to post something very similar, but feel like you said it better.#metoo was largely the result of women supporting other women, and men being forced to listen because of how big the movement became.
Male victims of sexual assault feeling left behind isnt a surprising phenomenon, but pinning it on #metoo is problematic because it's basically insinuating that women need to do the work of supporting men because men wont do it. I'm certainly not saying that women shouldnt support male victims of sexual assault, but it's important that the blame falls on toxic masculinity and the greater male population.
Forgive me if my sympathy cuts short from this line.
This is ultimately a fight for women. What many male victims suffer from is the same systemic toxic masculinity that many women suffer from on a much grander scale.That does not in any way invalidate the suffering of male victims - as people have noted, Kevin Spacey has fallen far from grace because he abused a young man.
I can't help but get an All Lives Matter vibe from this kind of line of thought. If you feel left out by the movement because you don't get to be the face of it, then I don't think you fully understand how deep this rabbit hole goes.
I feel confident when I speak for a lot of men, but we aren't asking to be supported by women but we are asking that we aren't made unwelcome.#metoo was largely the result of women supporting other women, and men being forced to listen because of how big the movement became.
Male victims of sexual assault feeling left behind isnt a surprising phenomenon, but pinning it on #metoo is problematic because it's basically insinuating that women need to do the work of supporting men because men wont do it. I'm certainly not saying that women shouldnt support male victims of sexual assault, but it's important that the blame falls on toxic masculinity and the greater male population.
And this is advocating to oppression olympics. Neat! There's a massive gulf between, "I was shot by a cop because I'm black," and "I was raped." Unless it's specifically supposed to be about, "I was raped because I'm a woman."This. Was going to post something very similar, but feel like you said it better.
♥️♥️♥️I'm a man, and have had several instances where I've been a victim of assault that haunt me to this day.
I initially thought about publicly sharing my #metoo story publicly for the first time in the hopes of feeling some closure and spreading awareness, but it only took about a day for both my twitter timeline and facebook to be filled with generalized soapbox rants about how men literally shouldn't speak about their experience, because the movement is specifically about women.
Under any other normal circumstance, it's easy to just write off those voices as extremes in the echo chamber (especially on twitter), but it only took seeing a handful of those to feel completely discouraged about something still so vulnerable in me.
As someone who is also bisexual, I think about this parallel sentiment all the time.
We need to change society to start carrying about men as they do with women.
You're talking explicitly about toxic masculinity and purely toxic masculinity. Society treats women in an awful manner.Damn some of you really need to start watching some Judge Judy or something, this blatant denial is pretty disturbing even knowing where most of you came from (the old site)
Damn some of you really need to start watching some Judge Judy or something, this blatant denial is pretty disturbing even knowing where most of you came from (the old site)
You're talking explicitly about toxic masculinity and purely toxic masculinity. Society treats women in an awful manner.
This is the follow-up you're going with?Damn some of you really need to start watching some Judge Judy or something, this blatant denial is pretty disturbing even knowing where most of you came from (the old site)
Aight we are done here. Enjoy!If you're talking about places like India, Iran, the Orthodox Sect of Israel, sure.
Otherwise, no. Society gives the women the advantage in education and safety nets in 1st world countries.
We need to change society to start carrying about men as they do with women.
It must be nice to be this delusional.If you're talking about places like India, Iran, the Orthodox Sect of Israel, sure.
Otherwise, no. Society gives the women the advantage in education and safety nets in 1st world countries.
If you're talking about places like India, Iran, the Orthodox Sect of Israel, sure.
Otherwise, no. Society gives the women the advantage in education and safety nets in 1st world countries.