Oh, that always angry YT Gamer Dude that is always surrounded by his bros is a shithead?
More at eleven I guess
More at eleven I guess
I do agree that abby being muscular makes no sense in the context of the game but Joe is just wrong on this. That review is an L
Can we stop using the word "unrealistic" in the context of a Zombie game, please?
I am reasonably knowledgeable on the subject of having an arrow stuck in your shoulder, and i can share the insight with you that you won't be able to murder, wrestle and stab 300 people the same and the following day. No matter how many bandages you apply.
It's a game. Abby's super buff because she's traumatized and obsessed. It is well choreographed throughout the flashbacks and through environmental storytelling. It's absolutely ridiculous to discuss how and to which degree her muscle mass is "realistic" or "achievable".
After all the Youtube/ Twitch people exposing themselves, I've found one streamer I liked who found Abby's design and muscular body cool. He was excited to play as her. Though he's been using logic throughout most of hte story beats.Why the f 'women having to justify having a muscular body otherwise it's unrealistic' in the first place???
The first time I saw Abby & her muscular arms, I never thought once it's 'UNREALISTIC'...
What a dumbass take & I like her design because of how buffed she looked.
Rare to see that in video games.
THEY FUCKING MODELED A GYM SO YOU GUYS CAN MAKE SENSE OUT OF IT AND NOT COMPLAIN!!
Where were all these people when Chris was punching boulders in RE 5.It really is
No gamer ever questions 'why does this male character have muscles? Is it a plot reason?'
(First tweet is inresponse to the tweet you posted)
Matt making an obvious but good point, there's been buff characters in zombie stories... Yet only NOW it's suddenly a problem!?
You came into a thread about a misogynistic review and said that you completely agree with everything he said.What on earth are you going on about? Hahaha.
A shit story is a shit story which is exactly what TLoU2 was imo and like Joe, I also feel it was very poorly executed considering the first game. That is just my opinion (yes, my opinion if I'm still allowed one).
Dunno why you're referring to me as misogynistic for having an opinion on a story. Guess it's just cool to be offended by everything these days :shrugs:
Lmao!It doesn't even fucking matter whether or not Joel would have given out his name in the grand scheme of things:
He has several moments of sexism in his plythrough and that's out there.I am not an Angry Joe fan and have never watched any of his videos regularly. I also have only been online sporadically for the past couple weeks and am not actively following any of the accusations against him. I don't like his persona and if his persona is in the same ballpark of his real self, then I can see him being an absolute predatory douchebag, sure.
But while watching a number of different TLOU2 reviews, I did watch his review earlier today and I would consider the entire premise of this thread an extremely, extremely biased interpretation of his comments, if not borderline deliberate misinformation.
Here are the exact statements at the relevant part of the video (starting around 9:50):
"And no, it's not about how the protagonist looks either, Abby having huge muscles - no, in fact, ultimately upon playing it, that is one of the things we loved most about her."
*shows Abby combat gameplay*
"Despite it not making much sense in this world"
*shows footage of the gym while commenting "Look at that - that's why Abby is so swole"*
It is clear from the comment immediately preceding "despite it not making much sense in this world" and from the footage shown after (the gym with a further comment that this gym must be "why Abby is so swole") that there is not an argument being made here that Abby should not have this physique because she is a woman. He states that he loves the way she looks, and clarifies through the gym footage that "despite it not making much sense in this world" is in terms of where someone could actually workout routinely for bulk, and not that it doesn't "make sense" because she's a woman.
I only clicked on this thread because I watched the entire video and cannot recall a single instance that I would label full, or even any, misogyny. I don't give a fuck about Angry Joe at all and I'm sure when I read more about the accusations and other concerns that have developed over the past few weeks, I will agree he should be deplatformed from this site. But to me this thread is a good example of how disapproval tends to bandwagon into including things that are not accurate.
I don't usually comment in threads of this nature and if you're going to quote me and say I'm being pedantic and that it doesn't matter anyway because he's just a predatory asshole, go ahead. I don't care, and in fact I will most likely agree once I've done more research. But there is no "full misogyny" in this review.
I am not an Angry Joe fan and have never watched any of his videos regularly. I also have only been online sporadically for the past couple weeks and am not actively following any of the accusations against him. I don't like his persona and if his persona is in the same ballpark of his real self, then I can see him being an absolute predatory douchebag, sure.
But while watching a number of different TLOU2 reviews, I did watch his review earlier today and I would consider the entire premise of this thread an extremely, extremely biased interpretation of his comments, if not borderline deliberate misinformation.
Here are the exact statements at the relevant part of the video (starting around 9:50):
"And no, it's not about how the protagonist looks either, Abby having huge muscles - no, in fact, ultimately upon playing it, that is one of the things we loved most about her."
*shows Abby combat gameplay*
"Despite it not making much sense in this world"
*shows footage of the gym while commenting "Look at that - that's why Abby is so swole"*
It is clear from the comment immediately preceding "despite it not making much sense in this world" and from the footage shown after (the gym with a further comment that this gym must be "why Abby is so swole") that there is not an argument being made here that Abby should not have this physique because she is a woman. He states that he loves the way she looks, and clarifies through the gym footage that "despite it not making much sense in this world" is in terms of where someone could actually workout routinely for bulk, and not that it doesn't "make sense" because she's a woman.
I only clicked on this thread because I watched the entire video and cannot recall a single instance that I would label full, or even any, misogyny. I don't give a fuck about Angry Joe at all and I'm sure when I read more about the accusations and other concerns that have developed over the past few weeks, I will agree he should be deplatformed from this site. But to me this thread is a good example of how disapproval tends to bandwagon into including things that are not accurate.
I don't usually comment in threads of this nature and if you're going to quote me and say I'm being pedantic and that it doesn't matter anyway because he's just a predatory asshole, go ahead. I don't care, and in fact I will most likely agree once I've done more research. But there is no "full misogyny" in this review.
No one is talking about his review. Watch the damn clip in my OP.
Plus another really *interesting* inputs in his review that I won't link to. Like women having to justify having a muscular body otherwise it's unrealistic and doubling down on his "Last of Us, Women" takes.
That's fair if true, I don't watch him. I saw the review being discussed and imo being mischaracterized. I could say at that point that there is some sort of disconnect between his comments from these two sources, but it's Angry Joe and I'm not attached to defending him whatsoever. I just think some of his comments that I, myself, heard, were not tending to the conclusion in the OP.He has several moments of sexism in his plythrough and that's out there.
It sucks because I do think the leaks ruined the game for a lot of people, and not just people who read them, but most people knew the reactions to the leaks without seeing them, so I'm sure most people who went in went in with negative expectations, not to mention people who read them went in wanting to hate characters, without giving them a chance.Have seen some of the review and I've reached the conclusion Joe is whining so damn much because he got spoiled on the game. It is a funny review but not for the reasons he thinks, and interesting meltdown to watch.
If he's fine with her being muscular, why even the need to bring up anything in regards to how realistic/viable it is? Like, why spend any time on it? I don't think he's ever commented on how muscular Joel is or demandend to know where his muscularity comes from.That's fair if true, I don't watch him. I saw the review being discussed and imo being mischaracterized. I could say at that point that there is some sort of disconnect between his comments from these two sources, but it's Angry Joe and I'm not attached to defending him whatsoever. I just think some of his comments that I, myself, heard, were not tending to the conclusion in the OP.
Honestly I don't know what the comment in the clip in the OP even means. My only gaming contact on the internet is this site and Discord, and I don't use social media. I don't see anything facially there that I would say is misogynistic but sure I'll concede in the context of the debate around this game, maybe there is something subtextual there.Which he does, as he said "It doesn't make sense"and says we should see how she got the muscle. FiveSide
So now please talk about the comments in the clips.
I don't know what is going through someone else's head, and no else does for that matter. I only expressed doubt about how the review was being characterized and provided statements directly from the video that I felt were to the contrary.If he's fine with her being muscular, why even the need to bring up anything in regards to how realistic/viable it is? Like, why spend any time on it? I don't think he's ever commented on how muscular Joel is or demandend to know where his muscularity comes from.
I like his reviews. In fact, I look forward to them after a big release.
The pre-skits with Other Joe and company. His real-time reactions. How pissed he gets when he dislikes something like microtransactions, EA reskins, short 4 hour campaigns on $60 games, etc...Hilarious.
*shrug*
Everyone loved him in the other forum when he was making "You fucking idiots!" videos about Microsoft and EA no matter how inappropriate he got. This HAD to be the game that drew the line huh?
Even though I enjoyed many portions of the game, I too left extremely disappointed and agree with many of Joe's points. So many plot holes, so many undeveloped characters, unnecessary shock moments. Are people really going to dismiss his entire 48 minutes of, in my opinion, entertaining content because of a couple dumb comments about Abby?
I like his reviews. In fact, I look forward to them after a big release.
The pre-skits with Other Joe and company. His real-time reactions. How pissed he gets when he dislikes something like microtransactions, EA reskins, short 4 hour campaigns on $60 games, etc...Hilarious.
*shrug*
Everyone loved him in the other forum when he was making "You fucking idiots!" videos about Microsoft and EA no matter how inappropriate he got. This HAD to be the game that drew the line huh?
Even though I enjoyed many portions of the game, I too left extremely disappointed and agree with many of Joe's points. So many plot holes, so many undeveloped characters, unnecessary shock moments. Are people really going to dismiss his entire 48 minutes of, in my opinion, entertaining content because of a couple dumb comments about Abby?
Keep the console warring out of it. Yeah, people agree with his rants about microtransactions/dumb corporate decisions, but now are finally seeing the homophobia, transphobia and misogyny that he just can't keep in check, in addition to potentially being predatory towards a woman. Those people aren't willing to look over just because they agree on some stances on how corporate greed is affecting game design negatively.I like his reviews. In fact, I look forward to them after a big release.
The pre-skits with Other Joe and company. His real-time reactions. How pissed he gets when he dislikes something like microtransactions, EA reskins, short 4 hour campaigns on $60 games, etc...Hilarious.
*shrug*
Everyone loved him in the other forum when he was making "You fucking idiots!" videos about Microsoft and EA no matter how inappropriate he got. This HAD to be the game that drew the line huh?
Even though I enjoyed many portions of the game, I too left extremely disappointed and agree with many of Joe's points. So many plot holes, so many undeveloped characters, unnecessary shock moments. Are people really going to dismiss his entire 48 minutes of, in my opinion, entertaining content because of a couple dumb comments about Abby?
I like his reviews. In fact, I look forward to them after a big release.
The pre-skits with Other Joe and company. His real-time reactions. How pissed he gets when he dislikes something like microtransactions, EA reskins, short 4 hour campaigns on $60 games, etc...Hilarious.
*shrug*
Everyone loved him in the other forum when he was making "You fucking idiots!" videos about Microsoft and EA no matter how inappropriate he got. This HAD to be the game that drew the line huh?
Even though I enjoyed many portions of the game, I too left extremely disappointed and agree with many of Joe's points. So many plot holes, so many undeveloped characters, unnecessary shock moments. Are people really going to dismiss his entire 48 minutes of, in my opinion, entertaining content because of a couple dumb comments about Abby?
Thanks.
If he's fine with her being muscular, why even the need to bring up anything in regards to how realistic/viable it is? Like, why spend any time on it? I don't think he's ever commented on how muscular Joel is or demandend to know where his muscularity comes from.
I like his reviews. In fact, I look forward to them after a big release.
The pre-skits with Other Joe and company. His real-time reactions. How pissed he gets when he dislikes something like microtransactions, EA reskins, short 4 hour campaigns on $60 games, etc...Hilarious.
*shrug*
Everyone loved him in the other forum when he was making "You fucking idiots!" videos about Microsoft and EA no matter how inappropriate he got. This HAD to be the game that drew the line huh?
Even though I enjoyed many portions of the game, I too left extremely disappointed and agree with many of Joe's points. So many plot holes, so many undeveloped characters, unnecessary shock moments. Are people really going to dismiss his entire 48 minutes of, in my opinion, entertaining content because of a couple dumb comments about Abby?
You don't need to see inside his head to call it what it is: misogyny.Honestly I don't know what the comment in the clip in the OP even means. My only gaming contact on the internet is this site and Discord, and I don't use social media. I don't see anything facially there that I would say is misogynistic but sure I'll concede in the context of the debate around this game, maybe there is something subtextual there.
You are still mischaracterizing his review. He states directly that he likes Abby's physique and then shows footage of the gym while commenting that this is where she must've worked out.
I'm not going to get strung along into an argument in this thread because I really don't want to be in a position of defending Angry Joe, who at best I'm ambivalent towards and at worst I probably will think is a terrible person once I read further into other threads. I just don't think the content of the OP is accurate.
I don't know what is going through someone else's head, and no else does for that matter. I only expressed doubt about how the review was being characterized and provided statements directly from the video that I felt were to the contrary.
Thanks.
Since I imagine a lot of people won't want to watch the whole video and give him a click, I'm going to transcribe this from around this point; eventually got to an ad and decided to quit, so I don't know when he drops this subject. Spoilering the whole thing since there's gameplay stuff in there.
"And if that's the point of the game, then okay? I'm still going to be upset. And no, it's not about how the protagonist looks either. Abby having huge muscles. No, in fact, ultimately, upon playing it, that is one of the things that we loved most about her!"
(Cuts to various shot of Angry Joe and his team screaming at Abby kills enemies her bare hands. "Holy fuck", "that is fucking hilarious", "RAAAAAGH", "fuck you brah" and so on)
(Cuts back to Joe talking to the audience)
"Despite it not making much sense in this world."
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby at the gym)
"What the fuck, look at this. That's why Abby's so swole. It's like the most state of the art football complex, Dallas Cowboys-"
(At this point, Joe realizes that he's standing in front of a picture of a football team holding a trophy)
"Wait a minute. I made that joke. ANd the joke. They're literally in the Dallas Cowboys compound."
"That's how she got so fucking jacked."
"They're the champions, they can't be the Dallas Cowboys."
(a few more things about football)
(Video cuts back to Joe speaking to the audience)
"But Abby's gameplay is fun as hell."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby fighting, cuts back to Joe.)
"I just don't really care about doing it, other than for that pure raw spectacle."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby fighting, cuts back to Joe. Joe laughs at how an enemy dies.)
"Listen. The problem is that we did not wait seven plus years to play as Abby."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby fighting, cuts back to Joe.)
"Especially a character killed one of our most beloved characters, flawed or not."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby fighting, cuts back to Joe.)
"We didn't want to return to this story to see the characters butchered, broken, and left worse by someone the writers want us so desperately to care about instead. So much so that they will pull emotionally manipulative things clearly to make it happy. Abby gets all the attention."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby in the cutscene. Joe and one of the others leaves the room, remaining host says "what, are you guys fucking leaving me? I don't want to play this shit.")
"Abby gets everything and Ellie gets nothing, it's like, you can clearly see the bias."
(Cuts to skit of Joe as Neil Druckmann)
J: "Hi ladies, welcome to the design meeting, I'n Neil. I just wanted to introduce our new character Abby. I think the audience is gonna love Abby. Everybody's gonna love Abby. So I want to make sure that we all give Abby her due. So in fact, I got some exclusive features so you're gonna have the small medkit, and later on you're gonna have the big medkit, in fact Abby I'm thinking of maybe dual wielding guns, or maybe I'll take that feature out. But you know I'll tell you what, how about you take all the best stuff in the game. I've got Molotov cocktails, got all sorts of other good stuff for you."
E: "Well, what do I get?"
J: "Shut up Ellie! Nobody's talking to you right now! This is about Abby, not everything is about you!"
E: "But that doesn't even make sense! Okay, Abby's got a medkit?"
J: "You know, you can have this bottle of piss now shut up!"
E: "What am I supposed to do with this?"
J: "I don't care! Nobody cares!"
(Joe-as-Druckmann's voice softers, addresses Abby again.)
J: "I'm just going to give you all the old weapons that Ellie had in the last game. You're definitely going to need one of these. Everything's going to be great. Oh here, take a napkin too, just in case you might need it. What'd you say, Ellie? Stop being selfish! This isn't about you! This has never been about you! Someone's not gonna be in Last of Us 3. I've got plans for her."
(Cuts back to Joe addressing the audience)
"We play as her for nearly 12 hours. She is almost identical to Ellie, she gets all the best guns, equipment, she gets to pet and play fetch with doggos."
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby petting a dog, cuts back to Joe.)
"Instead of killing them like Ellie."
(Cuts to gameplay of Ellie killing Joe while Joe and his co-hosts complain.)
"See? Abby good. Ellie bad. Please please please like Abby."
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby playing fetch while Joe accuses the game of being manipulative, then back to Joe.)
"Do you like her yet? Do ya? Do ya?"
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby walking away from the dog. Something like "Duck's a bitch"; not sure what that was supposed to be. Back to Joe.)
"It's like this half of the game is a completely separate game."
(Cuts to gameplay of Elly fighting a dog. Back to Joe.)
"She gets this pointless love story that leads to some serious cringe and an honestly uncomfortable abrupt sex scene that comes out of nowhere for what's going on in the scene."
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby kissing while Joe screams "what the fuck" repeatedly, then into "ew" and "hey hey whoa". "I don't wanna see- no way- whoa hey HOOOOH WHOOA", "what the fuck a goddamn sex scene what the fuck is this shit").
"Look, what? I saw what?" (This is beside a photoshopped image of Neil Druckmann having sex with Abby with The Last of Us II's cover on her face)
(Cuts back to the group in silence. "Am I fucking crazy? Was that his idea? And then she killed Joel like I was supposed to care about their relationship and watch (can't hear this word because they're talking at once) get fucked from behind?"
"Cheat.
"He's a cheater."
"That's disgusting!"
"Doesn't Sony not allow sex scenes in any other games? They ban a ton of games from other regions for any sort of nudity."
J: "I know! You can't even show fucking panties and shit!"
"But this is art."
J: "Neil Druckmann must have gone to bat hardcore. He's like, no, Abby's getting FUCKED. And I don't care. I want to see Abby get fucked from behind, I want her doggy style, and they're like whoa whoa. Neil man. I'm not sure. I mean Abby killed Joel, uh, I mean maybe that's not a great idea. NO! She's getting fucked brah! Uh, alright."
(Cuts back to Joe addressing the audience.)
"So at every turn, we are told that our old characters are back, and see good in the new characters. Like Manny, (?) mercilessly killed, spits on our father figure, and says 'bend that hole' every five seconds. 'Bend that hole!' 'Bend that hole!' 'Bend that hole!'"
(Gameplay clip of Elly being held down and yelling "I'll fucking kill you")
"Or Danny, whose Danny? Yeah, we don't know either."
(Gameplay clip.)
"Or Owen, who is a two-timing creep, a cheater, or how about the dumbass pregnant lady who insists on going to the front lines of combat with a fucking unborn child and everyone in the dumbass crew is okay with it and agrees with it."
Are the skits supposed to be funny? They sound awfulThanks.
Since I imagine a lot of people won't want to watch the whole video and give him a click, I'm going to transcribe this from around this point; eventually got to an ad and decided to quit, so I don't know when he drops this subject. Spoilering the whole thing since there's gameplay stuff in there.
"And if that's the point of the game, then okay? I'm still going to be upset. And no, it's not about how the protagonist looks either. Abby having huge muscles. No, in fact, ultimately, upon playing it, that is one of the things that we loved most about her!"
(Cuts to various shot of Angry Joe and his team screaming at Abby kills enemies her bare hands. "Holy fuck", "that is fucking hilarious", "RAAAAAGH", "fuck you brah" and so on)
(Cuts back to Joe talking to the audience)
"Despite it not making much sense in this world."
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby at the gym)
"What the fuck, look at this. That's why Abby's so swole. It's like the most state of the art football complex, Dallas Cowboys-"
(At this point, Joe realizes that he's standing in front of a picture of a football team holding a trophy)
"Wait a minute. I made that joke. ANd the joke. They're literally in the Dallas Cowboys compound."
"That's how she got so fucking jacked."
"They're the champions, they can't be the Dallas Cowboys."
(a few more things about football)
(Video cuts back to Joe speaking to the audience)
"But Abby's gameplay is fun as hell."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby fighting, cuts back to Joe.)
"I just don't really care about doing it, other than for that pure raw spectacle."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby fighting, cuts back to Joe. Joe laughs at how an enemy dies.)
"Listen. The problem is that we did not wait seven plus years to play as Abby."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby fighting, cuts back to Joe.)
"Especially a character killed one of our most beloved characters, flawed or not."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby fighting, cuts back to Joe.)
"We didn't want to return to this story to see the characters butchered, broken, and left worse by someone the writers want us so desperately to care about instead. So much so that they will pull emotionally manipulative things clearly to make it happy. Abby gets all the attention."
(Brief gameplay clip of Abby in the cutscene. Joe and one of the others leaves the room, remaining host says "what, are you guys fucking leaving me? I don't want to play this shit.")
"Abby gets everything and Ellie gets nothing, it's like, you can clearly see the bias."
(Cuts to skit of Joe as Neil Druckmann)
J: "Hi ladies, welcome to the design meeting, I'n Neil. I just wanted to introduce our new character Abby. I think the audience is gonna love Abby. Everybody's gonna love Abby. So I want to make sure that we all give Abby her due. So in fact, I got some exclusive features so you're gonna have the small medkit, and later on you're gonna have the big medkit, in fact Abby I'm thinking of maybe dual wielding guns, or maybe I'll take that feature out. But you know I'll tell you what, how about you take all the best stuff in the game. I've got Molotov cocktails, got all sorts of other good stuff for you."
E: "Well, what do I get?"
J: "Shut up Ellie! Nobody's talking to you right now! This is about Abby, not everything is about you!"
E: "But that doesn't even make sense! Okay, Abby's got a medkit?"
J: "You know, you can have this bottle of piss now shut up!"
E: "What am I supposed to do with this?"
J: "I don't care! Nobody cares!"
(Joe-as-Druckmann's voice softers, addresses Abby again.)
J: "I'm just going to give you all the old weapons that Ellie had in the last game. You're definitely going to need one of these. Everything's going to be great. Oh here, take a napkin too, just in case you might need it. What'd you say, Ellie? Stop being selfish! This isn't about you! This has never been about you! Someone's not gonna be in Last of Us 3. I've got plans for her."
(Cuts back to Joe addressing the audience)
"We play as her for nearly 12 hours. She is almost identical to Ellie, she gets all the best guns, equipment, she gets to pet and play fetch with doggos."
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby petting a dog, cuts back to Joe.)
"Instead of killing them like Ellie."
(Cuts to gameplay of Ellie killing Joe while Joe and his co-hosts complain.)
"See? Abby good. Ellie bad. Please please please like Abby."
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby playing fetch while Joe accuses the game of being manipulative, then back to Joe.)
"Do you like her yet? Do ya? Do ya?"
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby walking away from the dog. Something like "Duck's a bitch"; not sure what that was supposed to be. Back to Joe.)
"It's like this half of the game is a completely separate game."
(Cuts to gameplay of Elly fighting a dog. Back to Joe.)
"She gets this pointless love story that leads to some serious cringe and an honestly uncomfortable abrupt sex scene that comes out of nowhere for what's going on in the scene."
(Cuts to gameplay of Abby kissing while Joe screams "what the fuck" repeatedly, then into "ew" and "hey hey whoa". "I don't wanna see- no way- whoa hey HOOOOH WHOOA", "what the fuck a goddamn sex scene what the fuck is this shit").
"Look, what? I saw what?" (This is beside a photoshopped image of Neil Druckmann having sex with Abby with The Last of Us II's cover on her face)
(Cuts back to the group in silence. "Am I fucking crazy? Was that his idea? And then she killed Joel like I was supposed to care about their relationship and watch (can't hear this word because they're talking at once) get fucked from behind?"
"Cheat.
"He's a cheater."
"That's disgusting!"
"Doesn't Sony not allow sex scenes in any other games? They ban a ton of games from other regions for any sort of nudity."
J: "I know! You can't even show fucking panties and shit!"
"But this is art."
J: "Neil Druckmann must have gone to bat hardcore. He's like, no, Abby's getting FUCKED. And I don't care. I want to see Abby get fucked from behind, I want her doggy style, and they're like whoa whoa. Neil man. I'm not sure. I mean Abby killed Joel, uh, I mean maybe that's not a great idea. NO! She's getting fucked brah! Uh, alright."
(Cuts back to Joe addressing the audience.)
"So at every turn, we are told that our old characters are back, and see good in the new characters. Like Manny, (?) mercilessly killed, spits on our father figure, and says 'bend that hole' every five seconds. 'Bend that hole!' 'Bend that hole!' 'Bend that hole!'"
(Gameplay clip of Elly being held down and yelling "I'll fucking kill you")
"Or Danny, whose Danny? Yeah, we don't know either."
(Gameplay clip.)
"Or Owen, who is a two-timing creep, a cheater, or how about the dumbass pregnant lady who insists on going to the front lines of combat with a fucking unborn child and everyone in the dumbass crew is okay with it and agrees with it."
I think the main point of contention here was that Abby got ripped post-infection whilst Joel was already in shape back before shit hit the fan (he was a carpenter I think? which would somewhat explain it) so there never was a need to explain it.
It sucks because I do think the leaks ruined the game for a lot of people, and not just people who read them, but most people knew the reactions to the leaks without seeing them, so I'm sure most people who went in went in with negative expectations, not to mention people who read them went in wanting to hate characters, without giving them a chance.
Which streamer was it if you don't mind?After all the Youtube/ Twitch people exposing themselves, I've found one streamer I liked who found Abby's design and muscular body cool. He was excited to play as her. Though he's been using logic throughout most of hte story beats.
First 2 hours spoiler.Like when Joel dies, the streamer talks about how Joel killed a lot of people, so it made sense. Which is what most people should be thinking when it happens, but for some reason most don't understand Joel did fucked up shit, and him changing doesn't fix the mistakes he made, it just makes us sad or mad that he's being punished for them, but fans of 1 should understand why he is being punished in the first place. Was glad to finally find someone who thought like that..
But Joel wouldn't have revealed his name, its what makes it so stupid but this isn't the thread to discuss that
Anything that requires even a little bit of nuance to understand (whether you like it or not) is absolutely going to go right over the head of someone that characterises themselves as angry.
Theres a huge difference between getting pissed at consumer rights issues and getting angry because your misogyny blinds you from understanding a game.
If you all were this sensitive to these types of issues, you would be equally offended by Abby having sex with a ex-boyfriend who has a pregnant girlfriend.You don't need to see inside his head to call it what it is: misogyny.
I'm a lawyer irl who works with domestic violence victims, don't lecture me about misogyny with some performative shit. The transcript of the pertinent section of the review is directly above, and I provided quotes of it that tended to the opposite conclusion as yours. Unless you can show me where the misogyny is in that transcript and correct me, then stop quoting me.You don't need to see inside his head to call it what it is: misogyny.
If you all were this sensitive to these types of issues, you would be equally offended by Abby having sex with a ex-boyfriend who has a pregnant girlfriend.
While were at it with all the sensitivity, how should we feel about not one, but TWO, pregnant women unnecessarily putting themselves in danger, which eventually gets one, almost both, KILLED.
That's great writing right?
No one is talking about his review. Watch the damn clip in my OP.
If anyone should be reported, it should be you.So you are equating dramatic writing with hate speech? You think those two things are equivalent? Lol.
I guess this is one of those report and move on moments, right guys?
His review was never going to out him, he probably has people look at his scripts for this type of stuff.not His sponsors aren't going to hold stream stuff over his head unless Twitch makes a big deal about it, so his reviews are what he cares for in terms of not showing that type of content. His reactions in his stream directly goes against some of his points in the review, which you listed, and which further adds to that someone looks at his reviews, or he's smart enough not to say stuff that will damn him in his "professional" setting.That's fair if true, I don't watch him. I saw the review being discussed and imo being mischaracterized. I could say at that point that there is some sort of disconnect between his comments from these two sources, but it's Angry Joe and I'm not attached to defending him whatsoever. I just think some of his comments that I, myself, heard, were not tending to the conclusion in the OP.
Where do you get your definitions from? That's not the definition of hate speech I know.You're taking it as far a saying that his comments are inciting violence? Last time i checked that was the definition of Hate Speech.
I took a peek at the real review and he doubles down on the point he makes in the Twitch clip, not even hiding.No one is talking about his review. Watch the damn clip in my OP.