??? A few posts ago you said you live in Lebanon, also what do you think the current government have done exactly other than killing the people and stealing our money?
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American Embassy in Iraq "Attacked"
- Thread starter TheHunter
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Without commenting on the morality of killing 25 people in response to the death of one, how does the cycle of violence end here?
What the fuck is the US doing bombing people in Iraq??
It won't end as long as Iran have Iraq in their pocket but even if it gets taken from them you think they will let Iraq know peace? And of course it isn't just Iran that's the big baddie, I'm sure there are more that benefit from Iraq not having a strong government that's working for their people.
Something that people are conveniently ignoring. Not only did they bomb members of Iraq's security apparatus, by Iraq's law the US is suppose to give notice to Iraqi authorities prior to using its air space and attacking targets within the country which according to Iraqi news they didn't...
In Lebanon but Iraqi from my father's side from Basra. They are corrupt and have killed, but you're calling for American intervention against your own people, that's treason, that's a level that's beneath ISIS and nothing justifies it, it's disgusting and repugnant that you see the same country that starved and denied 500,000 Iraqi food and medicine, aided a mass murderer to stay in power in 1991 as a savior.
Watch how all the protests end as soon as Moqtada al Sadr reaches an agreement with Qassem Soleimani.
Might need to kill their families too, for supporting the occupying force
its fucked that I have to say this is sarcasm
Ok so a none answer to my first question. Unless you thinking bombing people will lead to peace.
What about the second?
How well do you know what's going on and how the people feel? You're one person in one group in a big country with a diverse multicultural populous. It's far more complicated than "these are the bad guys, go get 'em". Not taking that into account is a big part of what created the the current situations in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan in the first place.
One is directly on the ground providing on the ground assistance to troops the others aren't, that's a ridiculous comparison. Are BlackWater contractors off limits too?
It's easy, he merely outs the others as Iranians and not Iraqi, if we would follow his logic, the actual population of Iraq would be a significantly lower. Ex Baathists and Americanized Iraqis like Steven Nabil are the worst thing that has ever happened to Iraq.
I think you're underestimating how much the people want change, protesting since 2 months ago and giving +500 kills and thousands of injured didn't come from nothing, if America is the one that can give people what they want so be it.
He has no power on them.
I don't even understand what you want.
Cheering on the deaths of civilian non combatants is a bad look no matter how you try to spin it
Which part? The American contractor killing, the bombing, or the protest?
Yes, and not a single non-combatant died in those confrontations. They were all ISIS and Nusra. And no chemical weapons were used whatsoever.
Also, Hezbollah supporters clashing with Lebanese protesters: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/hezbollah-supporters-attack-protesters-in-lebanon/1655633
It's only imperialism when America does it. When Iran has armies in 4 (or more?) countries, and is actively engaging in acts of war in all of them, that's just peachy.
Ok go ask Paul Bremer how well that went the first time around.
You're really into this idea of Western savior swooping in and cleansing our land from corruption? Not only that but it's fucking America who failed fantastically to do so back in 2004. You really have no qualms in asking the same country that backed a mass murderer who gassed his own people, who butchered over 200,000 Shia protesters, the same country that starved Iraq, invaded and bombed back into the stone age to step right back in?
There's a perfect word that can accurately describe you, a traitor, pure and simple. Or not even an Iraqi living in the region in the first place,
I'm sorry but no, most of the clans that clashed with the pro Hashd forces in the South were Sadrists, the Blue Helmets are Sadrists, his offices remained intact while others were set on fire.
What do you call the French resistance killing Nazi collaborators then? What do you call fighting unarmed colonists and settlers?
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Based on what? Tales from your ass? Keep your conspiracy nuttery out of here.
Yeah civilians died on both sides, such as is war, but neither Hezbollah nor Iran were involved in the pre war protests crackdown.
Hezbollah supporters not Hezbollah, I'm in Lebanon, Hezbollah supporters, like crowds clashed with pro Harriri and pro Lebanese Forces crowds. No actually party member vs party member confrontation. it's like two fanclubs clashing.
Is America a native of this region? Is America Sunni or Shia? Also as a Shia I welcome Iranian imperialism, as long as American imperialism is backing Sunni groups.
Just call it an intuition. A new years eve siege on the US embassy in Iraq creates a crisis that would be all too beneficial to Trump in his time of great weakness and vulnerability as a recently impeached president, staring down the barrel of a Senate conviction. I recon we'll someday learn about an orchestration with Iran to manufacture the whole thing. There is precedent for these types of actions from the Trump admin, as we all know.
uhhh Murder? I call killing unarmed people murder.
That you have trouble with this concept speaks volumes
My intuition says Jesus did it have he got caught having an affair with E.T.
I know it's New Year's Eve, but isn't it a little early to start drinking?
I respect your honesty in the last paragraph, although it means that the region is absolutely fucked.
So you've invented a conspiracy between the US and people it's designated enemies to attack its own embassy based on absolutely nothing. Such stupidity.
Such an interesting flavor of American-centric thinking. We literally have an apparent pro-Sunni (I assume) Iraqi and a Shia Lebanese-Iraqi arguing in this thread about related conflicts in the region that have been going on for decades (with US assistance), but nah man, what's really important is T R U M P
every US expert on the region actually DID tell the US government that it would have dire consequences. The admin just didn't care.
Dude piss off with this shit, you're someone that doesn't even live in Iraq and one that would serve Iran freely going by your posts have the nerve to call me a traitor, but do you know who else were called traitors? The civilian protests against the government, I'm sure you the know the word that describes you, ذيل.
I don't think aligning yourself with a country with even recent history of backstabbing yours Is a good idea.
The US only cares about attacking Iran to please the Saudis, even if they werent involved.
The less US influence in the world, the better
The US only cares about attacking Iran to please the Saudis, even if they werent involved.
The less US influence in the world, the better
Speaks volumes? You've never lived under occupation, you didn't experience any of this, so you don't get to lecture me.
و انت ذيل للاميركان.
I'm not the one calling in aid from a foreign nation against my own country, I'm not the one so naive and gullible to believe Trump would succeed where Bush and Bremer, arguably his intellectual superiors, for whatever that is worth, failed back in 2004. Call me ذيل all you want, I'm used to Baathist insults, they don't mean anything to me, your time is over, and it's never gonna come back, who fought and defeated ISIS won't be brought down by lynch mobs who butcher 16 year olds in the streets.
ISIS are brainwashed animals, but fully betraying your country by asking the Americans to intervene, the same Americans that actually killed way more Iraqis with sanctions alone than ISIS as a whole is on another level of treason, like I can understand someone being religiously indoctrinated into ISIS, but going back to call for an American occupation after the 2004 invasion and occupation?
Lmao I'm Kurdish, the ones that suffered the most from Saddam, but I see you're following the steps of your masters, anyone who is opposing them is a traitor, Saddam supporter, etc.. you're days are ending anyways so enjoy them while you can.
That's even more pathetic considering what the Americans did by abandoning Rojava, but I guess once you're used to being an American asset you just can't help it right? Don't worry you won't be getting Kirkuk back anytime soon.
I shouldn't be surprised, even the protesters on the ground yesterday were condemning the airstrike, you don't represent them nor belong to them in any shape or form.
Okay, I'm Lebanese as well, and I can verify that this is bs, Hezbollah has clashed with anti-corruption protesters from all sects. They've even attacked their own people in Nabatieh. This is typical Hizbullah spin. At least be honest with your biases. Hezbollah also has been receiving additional dollars from Iran as the country sinks into an economic crisis, supplementing only their own sect. This is by definition a proxy war and a rallying cry to organize the Shia'a against the popular movements.
700 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division could be send to the Middle East as soon as tonight https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-embassy-protest-airstrikes/story?id=67996679
If you wanna call the Shia crowds that were against cutting off their roads by people coming in from Tripoli and Ashrafieh Hezbollah, then the crowds in Jal el Dib were Lebanese Forces and Phalanges, and the guy who was shot dead in the head, was an active member of the PSP, and right now the ones protesting are the pro Harriri bunch because he wasn't nominated.
This is typical western misdirection, anyone against the movement we support has to be an Iranian backed militiaman.
Supplementing his own sect? When Jumblat shut down all the gas stations a few weeks ago, only Hezbollah opened their stations to all Lebanese not just Shia, the supermarkets in Dahiye with cheap products? Anyone can buy. If you're talking about salaries, well tough luck I mean if you want a better paying job go sign up with the Hezb, they don't owe anyone anything, the government's corruption is largely due to the inept economic policies of the American backed Harriri movement since 1991 and the policies of the head of the central bank, I don't see how the heck you're going to pin this on the Hezb.
The "popular movement" already failed, it specifically called the poorest Lebanese, the Shia from Khandak and other places, savages, uneducated, thugs, etc... It drove away the very people that set downtown on fire in the first two days, not the sushi eating protesters in Jal el Dib. A revolution without the poor is going to inevitably fail, it's now a revolution of the right wing Bourgeois against the elite for holding their money in the banks, (There are still some left wing elements protesting against the banks, but those are the only ones I respect).
Two Iraqis get in an argument about Iraq and a foreigner, perhaps even an American, bans one of them without fully understanding what they were talking about.
I know I know, forum rules have to be followed, but it's kinda ironic.
I know I know, forum rules have to be followed, but it's kinda ironic.
And then you sell it to the American public as a defense against evil others who are out to get our freedom and they eat it up.
While I don't necessarily agree with him it's a shame posts that offer a non american point of view are seen as inflammatory.
The guy was clearly against the occupation forces but who wouldn't be.