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30fps feels better than 60fps. What?
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Easily. Any game with a cursor benefits quite a bit from high FPS. Playing Slay the Spire with a smooth as fuck mouse cursor at 144 FPS adds more to the experience than one would think.
Playing for almost 30 years now. 30 fps makes me a bit uneasy (and it has gotten worse with age) unless it's a very slow-playing game but anything about 45 and up I'm fine. (GSYNC monitor helps). Given that most displays with vsync work with multiples either 30/60/120 without adaptive refresh rate, ya, 60 is about the bare minimum for me.
same. the 30fps in R&C feels leagues better than the 30fps in Miles and many other games. also nixed the motion blur and the visual clarity is just sublime. i haven't felt the urge to switch to 60fps like i thought i would, and i'm fairly certain the resolution trade off here is worth it depending on your display.
Yup, this here is the problem. 30 games tend to be less stable and have more dips, which is what makes it so jarring.
Depends on the game but usually my eyes adjust pretty quickly either way. As long as it's locked 30/60 I tend to forget about it after a few minutes.
second, plus g-sync for me. I'm used to anything over 100 baseline at 1080p. And I still need to upgrade my GPU.
it's unthinkable for any genre lmao. sure there are some where 30 can be more tolerable, but 60 still plays better and has better input response
It is just beyond me in AC though. I am a PC guy through and through, play at 120hz usually but even I don't mind playing stuff like Ratchet at 30fps or Last of Us 2 etc. Assassin's Creed games feel pretty bad at 30fps, though. I quit playing it on console because of that. Getting the PC version was a revelation.
This always gets me, when people say unlocked >30 FPS is better than 30 FPS. I prefer 60 and up. But if the choice is an unlocked "60" or stable 30 on console, I'll choose 30 because unstable framerates below 60 are the devil.
Almost always 60+ when there's a choice, but a game that doesn't absolutely require twitch reflexes I'll always play both for ten minutes and then decide if I'd prefer the additional polish. Sometimes I'll feel too much is being sacrificed for 60 and I'll choose 30.
I have a pretty high tolerance to 30 fps, but generally, if there's a 60 fps mode I'll take it.
I was playing control on Series X recently (haven't played it in a bit need to get back to it), but I decided to do the 30 fps mode just to really get a feel for the RT, and the RT is amazing, but I flipped the performance mode for like 2-3 minutes, and you can just feel the difference in the controller.
I generally look at frame-rate on a case by case basis, largely because you have finite resources for console, and some genres benefit more from prettier visuals/resolution while others benefit more from frame-rate. case in point, I can't really imagine playing any first person shooter at 30 fps anymore, but for something like TLOU part 2, I had no issue playing it at 30 on my PS4 Pro.
With all of that being said though, if I'm given the option between the two, I will always go with performance modes, and in the case of the example I listed earlier in control, I think when I get back to that, I will just ply it in it's performance mode.
I was playing control on Series X recently (haven't played it in a bit need to get back to it), but I decided to do the 30 fps mode just to really get a feel for the RT, and the RT is amazing, but I flipped the performance mode for like 2-3 minutes, and you can just feel the difference in the controller.
I generally look at frame-rate on a case by case basis, largely because you have finite resources for console, and some genres benefit more from prettier visuals/resolution while others benefit more from frame-rate. case in point, I can't really imagine playing any first person shooter at 30 fps anymore, but for something like TLOU part 2, I had no issue playing it at 30 on my PS4 Pro.
With all of that being said though, if I'm given the option between the two, I will always go with performance modes, and in the case of the example I listed earlier in control, I think when I get back to that, I will just ply it in it's performance mode.
Also I prefer portable 30fps Doom over 60fps Doom and I'm stuck in one place or relying on an internet connection to stream it on a phone.
Ideally I'd prefer a 60fps portable Doom on a Switch Pro 😜
Ideally I'd prefer a 60fps portable Doom on a Switch Pro 😜
Games with a very cinematic character (like TLOU) for me personally feel a bit off in the beginning with 60fps from a presentation standpoint of view only (obviously 60fps plays much better!). It feels too 'gamey' or something like that.
Obviously, as it sits closer to the 24fps of movies, 30fps looks more natural from a presentation standpoint of view. But as 60fps plays much better I'll always go with 60fps and you get accustomed to it very fast and forget about the presentation issues regarding the cinematic character.
Obviously, as it sits closer to the 24fps of movies, 30fps looks more natural from a presentation standpoint of view. But as 60fps plays much better I'll always go with 60fps and you get accustomed to it very fast and forget about the presentation issues regarding the cinematic character.
I will always prefer framerate over visuals. If I have to turn down graphics settings to get at least 60 FPS, that will always be my option. I primarily play on PC, so in the rare event I do play a game on console and it's 30 FPS, it seems like a PowerPoint presentation to me. If 30 is fine for you, more power to you, but I can't stand it. It just feels and plays like shit. I remember playing The Last of Us on PS3 after playing games on PC for a few years and it was really jarring going back to 30 FPS. It just felt so clunky and felt like it had a stutter.
Thread is big ??? energy with the attempts to defend 30fps in The Year of Our LORD Twenty Twenty-One. Are people just interpreting framerate arguments as attacks on Plastic Box and circling the wagons reflexively? That's the only way this makes any sense at all.
"Let me tell you why 30fps is better than 60--" No, this is valuable oxygen so let's not waste it on turning poo thoughts into poo words
"Let me tell you why 30fps is better than 60--" No, this is valuable oxygen so let's not waste it on turning poo thoughts into poo words
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No they aren't you can choose 30 fps native 4k on factions. Uc4 is however. So yeah I play that one at 60.
Why would I do that when that's not the position I'm taking? At no point did I say or imply that 60 fps is the baseline for acceptable standards. That being said, the following post is a pretty good breakdown of what you're asking for:
As always happens with framerate threads, this thread shows how baffingly assholic people can get in Era.
Let people enjoy what they enjoy, for Christs sake
Let people enjoy what they enjoy, for Christs sake
Exactly what I mean. Many '30fps' games aren't even really 30fps.
Honestly 30FPS people remind me of flat earthers. They are dead set in their ways always spouting unwinnable "arguments", when it's a simple fact that 60FPS is better than 30FPS every single time in every single game in every single genre. i mean just look at all the 30fps arguments in this very thread, there isn't A SINGLE ARGUMENT that makes any sense whatsoever.
I really can't see myself going back to 30fps unless I have to. Like if somehow I'm in a situation where the game is console exclusive and can't run at 1080 60fps, so then I'm forced to go down to 30 to sustain a higher image quality….at that point I'll accept it. The game has to be top tier though and I can't think of anything currently new like that (that I hadn't already played last gen anyway).
1440 60fps is the sweet spot for me though. I mean, 1440 120+ is god tier (4K 60 on an OLED is the only trade off) but even my 3080 can't hit that for every title….so I'll accept 60 as bare minimum.
1440 60fps is the sweet spot for me though. I mean, 1440 120+ is god tier (4K 60 on an OLED is the only trade off) but even my 3080 can't hit that for every title….so I'll accept 60 as bare minimum.
Have you ever played any shooter at 30 fps? Especially against others who are at 60 or more? It genuinely ruins the gameplay experience. There's an objective latency, and when you're completely accustomed to faster gameplay and the world not becoming a blur as you turn the camera, it's not enjoyable to play like that. Maybe you're playing animal crossing or a sidescroller but your statement that 30fps is a fine experience, and people who feel otherwise are invalid, is extremely general and just as annoying.
I vastly prefer controllers (even on PC) so, no, thank you. But you do you.
Not everyone plays competitively. I played Doom (2016) on Switch and enjoyed it quite a bit. It was 30fps, of course.
No, you see, this isn't true
Because the amount of people here invalidating users who say that 30 fps is a fine experience is way over the top, and some of them are being really disrespectful.
I wonder if you have something to say about them, hm?
Depends on the person, really, but despite what Era will tell you, there are diminishing returns and jump from 30 to 60 is much more noticeable then jump from 60 to 120, with the exception of competitive PvP shooters.
Yeah this. I really hope a lot of the "60 fps or die"-crowd is joking and over reacting because holy shit, the 60 fps-elite sounds more and more like crazies furiously typing in their "60fps is my baseline and should be the standard in 2021 and if you disagree you are wrong!!1!!"-opinions while foaming at the mouth lol.
Man, this particular argument really brings out the worst in Era. I just don't understand the need for posters to go after each other like its displayed in here, specially for a topic that does come down to preference. We should be praising the fact that now, for the first time, we have a choice! There's no need to decide what the majority prefers because each and everyone of us can pick whatever he/she prefers.
My two cents: If both modes were exactly the same, then yes, 60fps would always be the better option. But, and there's a but, they're not the same, because the distinction in visual fidelity is still different, at least imho. So just pick what you prefer: better visuals or better performance (and yes, the disparity in performance is bigger than the one in visuals). And there's other stuff involved as well: locked or unlocked fps, with or without dips, the gameplay involved, if it's singleplayer or multiplayer, how well the studio uses animation and motion blur, etc.
My two cents: If both modes were exactly the same, then yes, 60fps would always be the better option. But, and there's a but, they're not the same, because the distinction in visual fidelity is still different, at least imho. So just pick what you prefer: better visuals or better performance (and yes, the disparity in performance is bigger than the one in visuals). And there's other stuff involved as well: locked or unlocked fps, with or without dips, the gameplay involved, if it's singleplayer or multiplayer, how well the studio uses animation and motion blur, etc.
Rock solid 30fps with good motion blur is completely fine when playing on a TV. It will never feel better than 60fps, assuming both are locked to their target fps. I can definitely see preferring 30fps if it comes with a better resolution, RTX, etc. And I would much rather play a locked 30fps game over an unlocked game that is constantly fluctuating between 60 and 30 or even consistently sticking to the 40fps range.
PC is my favorite platform & I have a laptop with 144Hz refresh rate. I barely notice the difference between 30fps & 60fps unless it's like a high-speed racing game or unless I'm specifically on one of those "See the difference between different framerate" sites. And anything over 60fps feels like complete overkill to me with the difference being so miniscule that I have trouble seeing how anyone can even notice it in the middle of playing an intense game.
I've been playing games since the ancient days. I tolerated low FPS and loved the games despite it. I even told myself it didn't matter much. I'm talking finishing Wing Commander on an Amiga 500, which barely ran.
60fps+, all day, every day. 60 feels so much better its incredible. I can't believe there are people saying they don't feel a much of a difference.
60fps+, all day, every day. 60 feels so much better its incredible. I can't believe there are people saying they don't feel a much of a difference.
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Haha, you might be taking this a bit too seriously, Sam. Don't be a jerk. This is still about preference right? 60fps is the best way to play games, as long as it doesn't make some aspects of a certain game look worse.
To me this just happens with Valhalla. Game is very floaty animation wise and the MC or anything really isn't really that well connected to the game world. Combat doesn't have good impact. 60fps just makes this 100x more obvious to a point where it feels like you're swinging a wooden axe. It's very much the same feeling that The Hobbit at 48fps gives versus the usual 24fps. There's just something wrong.
I like to have a feeling I'm actually interacting with the world when playing a game like this and not just pretending to. Responsiveness comes after that. I can live with a worse image clarity because you're not spinning the camera all the time anyway. 30fps is responsive enough here, and makes the game feel better by adding some sense of weight to everything. It might be smoke and mirrors, so what? Who are you to say that this is somehow a wrong preference to have?
If possible I choose 60fps mode on basically every game I play on PS5 regardless of genre. The problem I had is more about Valhalla than 60fps in general, but of course it's not necessarily limited to Valhalla. For example especially Tlou2, but also games like GoW, Control and Sekiro feel absolutely amazing and weighty at 60fps.
I prefer 60, but 30 doesn't make it a deal breaker. What's most important to me is a consistent framerate devoid of fluctuation. I'd rather have a solid 30fps than an inconsistent 60.
