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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | Warren's college tuition plan includes cancelling college debt
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Bullying is actually a serious issue, getting spammed is a bit different
I have already signed up for it and I can tell you that there is no option to put contact information for these people (email or phone). You simply log them in to match voter registration. This is done to tell the campaign where to canvas more efficiently so that they're not wasting manpower. Basically, it tells them what voters to focus on when they're doing door to door.
And it's not even spam because no contact information is provided to spam in the first place.
To be fair, I think a lot of people simply misunderstand how the app works.
Oh, ok. That makes more sense if it's for canvasing, but you'd still need the names of the people you're potentially canvassing to. Kind of weird. Reminds me of this.
Are you able to see people in your contact list and who they voted for? Are you entering your contact's info into Bernie's database without their approval? How exactly does it work?
That concerns me since my job at Universal Studio would randomly have Fox News on. One segment it aired is how Socialism is bad
You can only see what is publicly available on their voter registration, no contact info. The whole point is to match a person that you know to a person that's in the voter registration database. The only people who can see who you've said that they support is the campaign.
Instead of campaign-based intel gathering to build up a database of likely supporters to talk to door to door, regular supporters are supplying the info of likely supporters that the campaign can talk to door to door. It's way more efficient this way; exponentially.
Yeah, it's basically a pre-Get Out The Vote tool. The point is to get as many voters that support Bernie to actually come out to the polls when it's time to vote.
It's waay more efficient to do it Bernies way. The canpaign will be able to follow up with these folks during the GOTV stage, knowing they are registered and primed to vote for Bernie. Thisnis a great use of his network and will pay off in tough primaries. Campaigns spend a ton of money and time on this stuff and nothing replaces genuine interactions woth your friends amd neighbors when getting on the fence people to vote.
Oof, this reads as cult behavior to me. M4A is a great goal as is making college free or more affordable... but this is just creepy.
It is a bit creepy to me. I'm assuming Nina's drawing from her church roots (she does this at every rally) and people seem to love it, but it is quite off-putting to me personally. Then again, I feel this way about a lot of religious behavior and would prefer it not be a part of politics.
its just nina turner's weird shtick. she's been doing it basically every rally she's been at
Isn't socialism like half the content now that AOC and Bernie are the primary enemies.
You could say any rally is cult like behavior. If anything it cuts against the narrative that Bernie people arent willing to do the hard work of organizing, this is a good thing, no? I was at one of the 4700 of these, Nina was just getting people pumped up, have you never heard Nina before? The important thing to take from this is Bernie has a very dedicated, very large group of organizers who are getting started early building a huge database. This will pay dividends in the primaries, and noone else can claim a faction of his ground game.
I'm a hardcore Bernie supporter but I'd be totally fine if I never heard "with these hands" again. Doesn't appeal to me. You are right about rallies being inherently cult-like though.
Yeah, I don't love religious behavior in politics either. The part about this that bothers me even more, aside from it feeling like a cult situation is that it accentuates the "magical thinking" problem of this campaign--- for instance the notion that people demonstrating would somehow override opposition in a theoretical Sanders presidency with a Republican majority that could block legislation.
Either way, Turner has repeatedly shown herself to be a liability to the campaign.
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A lot of them would make excellent cabinet picks if they don't make it out of the primary. Like, put Castro in charge of DHS and have him wreck shit up. Inslee could run the Department of Energy. etc.
Two I'd want specifically are Doug Jones as Attorney General (if he loses the Senate race, which is like 90% probability - his record is ace and he deserves a solid after winning that seat for the Democrats) and Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State (she was done so dirty by 2016 I'd hate for that to be her last hurrah as a politician).
I think it takes a certain kind of talent to do these kinds of rallies and she has that and it excites people, despite her baggage. She's also a pretty effective surrogate.
No you dont get it they arent trying to smear Bernie which is why he will lose if he wins the nom
I am trying to read more about this BERN app without actually downloading it or accessing it myself so take the below with a grain of salt, because maybe it's fake:
Is this a real screenshot? Because it's it does kind of feel weird to me for a campaign to basically crowdsource personal details about you from your friends and family. I am trying to retreat from using Facebook and other social media for this very reason, and don't particularly love the idea of friends being able to add my data so I can get targeted blasts from a campaign.
If it's like the vote-with-me app you can "game" it by adding a contact name to your phone or just changing the name of the contact you are searching. It's creepy, but that is still all publicly available data.
It's a website, not a downloadable app. I took a screenshot of desktop version here:
If you are registered to vote, that information is already publicly available. The app simply links that information to their database, with the supplemental info about who you support and who added you. There are no blasts sent because there is no email provided. Without this tool, the campaign could've found you anyway if you're a registered voter.
It's a bit creepy though, isn't it? They're asking people to report on their friends and family.It's a website, not a downloadable app. I took a screenshot of desktop version here:
If you are registered to vote, that information is already publicly available. The app simply links that information to their database, with the supplemental info about who you support and who added you. There are no blasts sent because there is no email provided. Without this tool, the campaign could've found you anyway if you're a registered voter.
I get it, but every campaign does this one way or another. Every campaign has lists of registered voters, and tries to ascertain who is likely to be supportive from any number of sources. No email is included. The only difference is the crowdsourcing. Anyone who knows your name and place of residence can already look up voter reg data. Creepy, maybe, but endemic to every campaign.
It's a website, not a downloadable app. I took a screenshot of desktop version here:
If you are registered to vote, that information is already publicly available. The app simply links that information to their database, with the supplemental info about who you support and who added you. There are no blasts sent because there is no email provided. Without this tool, the campaign could've found you anyway if you're a registered voter.
Hm...well that is reassuring I suppose, but I guess I still don't love it. It's possible that every campaign is like this, and I am just ignorant to it, but I still don't love the idea of friends/family being able to submit information on my behalf about my assumed preferences/background. While my phone number and email aren't on my voter registration (to my knowledge), my home address certainly is, and I wouldn't love to have (really, any) candidates supporters stopping by unannounced because I have a "Low Support" and support a different candidate.
Something about it just feels odd. Like, I am imagining if Trump had an app like this and feel pretty queasy about it!
No, I mean what else it asks and how it frames it all.
"No one is better suited to talk to your friends and family about our movement than you! Add everyone you know:"
Which feels like a proselytizing thing, you know turning people into missionaries for the political movement. Then there's the questions:
"Who are they to you? Do they already support Bernie? Who else might they support? Are they a student? Where? Are they in a union? Which?"
It's normally the kind of information you'd consent to give yourself, but instead they have someone doing it for you without your consent.
It's just kinda creepy to me is all. If you want my information ask me for it, don't ask my friends or family. They don't have my consent to tell you that kinda thing.
I can tell you that other campaigns aren't asking you to give your friends and family's information to their campaign.
Also, as an aside, I know Voter Registration Rolls are public but....how easily are they typically assessed? I do not see the ability to see this information en-masse for my state, I can only check my individual record.
The BERN app is putting all of this information in one place that may have been harder to access from the arduous process of extracting it on a state/county basis. Even if it's all technically "publicly available", has it always been accessible on a nationwide basis in such an easy to access manner?
I am curious to see if The Intercept is going to comment on this in any way, because I feel like this app is a tension between their Bernie support and their general stances on privacy.
The BERN app is putting all of this information in one place that may have been harder to access from the arduous process of extracting it on a state/county basis. Even if it's all technically "publicly available", has it always been accessible on a nationwide basis in such an easy to access manner?
I am curious to see if The Intercept is going to comment on this in any way, because I feel like this app is a tension between their Bernie support and their general stances on privacy.
I get it, but they don't really need your consent unless you have a legally binding confidentiality agreement with them to not share whatever it is that you've told them.
Then those campaigns will be at a disadvantage when it comes to ground game.
I saw your post before the edit. Yeah, maybe not even worth it. If it actually evolves into something major may be worth discussing, but everything points towards a Trump / 4chan kind of disgustingness. Will edit it out.
Depends on the state. More info here:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/electi...s-to-and-use-of-voter-registration-lists.aspx
It's still creepy as hell. If Bernie canvassers start showing up at people's doors or they start getting leaflets targeting them specifically people are going to be weirded out.
It just feels like you're getting informed on. It's a bit like "tell us if they aren't down with the revolution and we'll go talk to them" ya know?
The app just centralizes something that campaigns encouraged people to do previously, talk to their social circle. The fact that the contact information theoretically isn't known by the Bernie campaign takes away a bit of the hit. I'm honestly not sure what they hope to get out of it, aside from the diehards who are already going to be in for the campaign.
The union/school information is a little disquieting, but I assume that's just for demographic reasons to know about where to rally?
The union/school information is a little disquieting, but I assume that's just for demographic reasons to know about where to rally?
Every campaign already does this. I've personally done this canvasing for several campaigns. The only difference was that the intel wasn't crowdsourced from supporters.
Yeah, but like, in the age of public information, there's so much creepy shit going on (especially with Google) that this kinda shit is a blip on the radar for me to be concerned with. There's literally nothing that can be done; it's perfectly legal.
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