Have the Yankees or Cardinals ever been accused of cheating at an organizational level, in recent history?
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2018 Red Sox Allegedly Used Video To Steal Sign Sequences (won WS that year) (UPDATE: Cora out)
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Whoa whoa whoa, you're thinking of Joey Cora. You leave my crappy Mariners out of this!
No one would stop a Yadi Molina from calling games. It'd be like QBs. Lower tier guys need coach in their ear while for the better ones that coach can instead relay relevant data and information, letting the caller be even more effective.
As the league is almost certainly moving to a camera system for balls and strikes the value of pitch selection will go up while the reception skills (stillness, framing) will go down. When that happens a system more like NFL QBs would not only improve the product on the field but also give MLB a great narrative tool to sell the game.
Better yet, put up an actual goddamn pitch clock of about 10-15 seconds and any time a team violates it it counts as a ball to the batter. The pitcher and catcher have no excuses for less than perfect communication causing delay. Then a poised game caller goes up even more in value, as relaying pitch calls from dugout to catcher to pitcher would be far less efficient than just catcher to pitcher.
Speeds the game up, focuses on the player dynamics, probably puts enough pressure on pitchers to give something back to hitters so MLB can get rid of this juiced ball without offense completely tanking.
Then I don't see how earpieces fix the issue of electronic sign stealing. Unless the coaches are calling all of the pitches, the catcher is going to have to communicate with the pitcher somehow. If anything, it's going to put teams who want to have their catchers call games at a disadvantage, probably to the point where they decide it's not worth it, which I find unfortunate.
The redsoxs manager in 2018 Alex Cora was with the Astros in 2017 he was one of the main reasons behind the cheating.
Seems like this is a systematic issue and definitely not just something one or two teams is guilty of.
Cardinals employed a individual that was caught and punished for improperly accessing the Houston Astros scouting databases on undrafted prospects in 2015.
Cardinals had to pay the Astros 2 million, they lost draft picks and the individual who was responsible for the hacking was banned from baseball for life and got a 46 month federal prison sentence.
Cardinals as an organization was found not to be complicit in his actions.
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Yes the Yankees were fined for stealing signs in 2017. Fun watching their fans pretend to be victims.
The Brewers are cheating and still can't win.
Every team is doing this, at some point people need to accept the reality of the situation.
Clearly the Seattle Mariners are stealing street signs.
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Just a massive, massive SMH. This shit is just straight up off-putting my interest.
I totally forgot about that. Pretty heinous, but at least it doesn't appear to be organization-wide unlike the Astros, which I guess was not only involving several of the coaches/GM, but obviously had to include at least some of the players, too.
It's not legal to use technology to steal signs and communicate. It's legal to steal signs just from eyesight and deduction.
Stealing signs isn't against the rules
It's how they did it and at least int he Astro's case the sheer magnitude of the conspiracy. This wasn't an occasional thing or even 1 or 2 players. Like the OP said, there is cheating and then there is cheating
It is like counting cards though -- it's all fun and games unless you're actually good at it
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I was going to make a snarky retort, but I've been to Southie little league games.
It all depends on what kind of film Logan is talking about. Are we talking past game film or film of the game being played at that moment? Big difference.
Seems like cheating in the MLB is part of the tradition of the sport... i mean even fans are saying shit like stealing signs isn't cheating
2014? looking at that roster, lmao. Maybe. That's the year of Beckett's no hitter, right?
I don't know why, I'm sure there was a good amount who wanted him fired after the terrible season the Sox had. Just another manager who wins the World Series and then misses the post season and gets canned.
That's because it is. From doctoring balls, corking bats, taking PEDs etc. Baseball players constantly cheat.
Before I type what I'm about to, I'm going to get it out of the way that I am an Astros' fan. I don't really see this sign stealing thing being a big deal. MLB has cheated since its inception. Just because technology has progressed doesn't make this any more egregious than before. You're still stealing signs. And here's a spoiler....everyone else is too. The Astros and Red Sox just got caught. But I'm willing to bet that if every team were investigated, you would find them doing the same.
Yeaaaah the "but everyone else is doing it" shit never really does pan out.
Boston Boston everybody knows all your players were on PED's in 2004. Manny taking crazy women drugs. Ortiz in the Mitchell report. I'm pretty sure every year they won the World Series this millennium they probably cheated.
Not like players in the 90s were clean either 🤷‍♂️