I think people are just comparing the situation they're in not the talents
I think people are just comparing the situation they're in not the talents
FWIW, StarTrek 09 is nearly perfect at reintroducing Trek while being a launching pad into a new franchise. We're talking like, a masterclass in film production and decision making. There were a few stupid things in it, but overall it was an amazing achievement.
I said it before, I expected hackery from JJ. However, I expected a incredibly safe crowd pleaser. Not a barely legible film. Literally the worst SW film released. That's purely because of the shit production timeline he was given.
Just imagine everything here but with JJ, Treverrow had years to think about and get into pre-production for Episode IX. JJ had none of that:
Fair pointI still think that other than the director change, they are different situations. The time crunch situation for 9 could have been avoided if the writers didn't spend the first half of the movie undoing plot points from previous movies. They should have focused on closing the sequel trilogy instead of bringing back Palpatine and "closing the 9-film saga".
She needs to go. She was in charge and Fu*** up 4,5 out of 5 movies . Rogue one was saved by the 3rd act.
The fact she wasn't let go much earlier is crazy for such a huge company like Disney. They were firing people left and right on these movies.
No way she will stay. Hope favreau and feloni with George Lucas take over.
What's really fucking sad is that he started a production diary series when Hobbit 1 was being made and then it completely disappeared once the 2nd film started production. I think that was the point where they were started to struggle staying on schedule and it was made even worse by the third film when PJ was literally having to write scenes on the fly because production time was so truncated. He looked really happy when shooting the first film at least.
Depend on what you like about Star Trek. For me, I love the original series because at its heart it was about three very different friends. That's why I loved the first Abrams movie, cause it recaptured that. Beyond is the best of those three movies though.That Star Trek is awful for the simple fact it is everything Star Trek isn't.
It was a proto Star Wars reboot.
What's really fucking sad is that he started a production diary series when Hobbit 1 was being made and then it completely disappeared once the 2nd film started production. I think that was the point where they were started to struggle staying on schedule and it was made even worse by the third film when PJ was literally having to write scenes on the fly because production time was so truncated. He looked really happy when shooting the first film at least.
I'm not a huge fan of Kathleen and often find her really out of touch and almost dispassionate with Star Wars going by her interviews. However I'm puzzled why anyone would expect her to be sacked? Most movies she has produced have largely performed well haven't they at the box office?
Not sure whose idea Solo was ...
Yepwhat it comes down to is that the executives decided it was more important to release something that made of lot of money than to release something good, and the result is a shitty product. we've seen it thousands of times
Anybody can make money withI'm not a huge fan of Kathleen and often find her really out of touch and almost dispassionate with Star Wars going by her interviews. However I'm puzzled why anyone would expect her to be sacked? Most movies she has produced have largely performed well haven't they at the box office?
Not sure whose idea Solo was ...
Careful. They'll accuse you of being an alt-right troll.Anybody can make money with
STAR WARS. She and the people working for her did a terrible job with this brand until now. How can you pi"" off so many people at once.
Somebody new needs to take over. Kennedy had her chance for far to long.
It is also the best reboot movie for me. Loved how they nailed Spock and Bones relationship.
I still think that other than the director change, they are different situations. The time crunch situation for 9 could have been avoided if the writers didn't spend the first half of the movie undoing plot points from previous movies. They should have focused on closing the sequel trilogy instead of bringing back Palpatine and "closing the 9-film saga".
What's the standard here? Failing to turn Star Wars into a Marvel sized cash cow?Anybody can make money with
STAR WARS. She and the people working for her did a terrible job with this brand until now. How can you pi"" off so many people at once.
Somebody new needs to take over. Kennedy had her chance for far to long.
Anybody can make money with
STAR WARS. She and the people working for her did a terrible job with this brand until now. How can you pi"" off so many people at once.
Somebody new needs to take over. Kennedy had her chance for far to long.
As a video editor, this is far from the editor's fault and the largest issues of the film are far from just 'pacing and editing.' The script is rotten to the core, and embedded in that script is the haphazardly rushed pace and relentless plotting. "The film would have been fun if not for post-production" misses the deeper foundational problems with the film.
It's not the editor's fault, it's the director's fault (or if that reddit post is to be believed, the studio's fault), but the 'pacing and editing' are absolutely the biggest problems with the movie.... unless you've actually seen the script/until the script has been made public. Because I think it's reasonable to assume that the script was more fleshed out and had longer scenes between characters (especially if there were cuts that existed over 3 hours long), which would have allowed the movie to breathe much more -- it was just cut to the bone.As a video editor, this is far from the editor's fault and the largest issues of the film are far from just 'pacing and editing.' The script is rotten to the core, and embedded in that script is the haphazardly rushed pace and relentless plotting. "The film would have been fun if not for post-production" misses the deeper foundational problems with the film.
Who is saying that?The surprising thing is that many fans / people in here think that the previous films were somehow free from copeous amounts of fan service.
That's like the one moment of using the frame to tell the story in the whole film.The idea of Snoke clones was added entirely in post production
"I just think that came up as a visual effect that we thought would be really fun for an audience, to create a visual that would tell that whole story," she said. "I believe that's successful. We didn't have to change a lot of dialogue. You just see one shot […] and you kind of get it. I love stuff like that. We can just have a moment where you just see something in the background and you go, 'OK, I totally get that.'"
It's pretty easy to piss off all the StarWars fanboys.Anybody can make money with
STAR WARS. She and the people working for her did a terrible job with this brand until now. How can you pi"" off so many people at once.
Somebody new needs to take over. Kennedy had her chance for far to long.
That's like the one moment of using the frame to tell the story in the whole film.
Fair, but at least it was some actual craft on display.And it was stupid as hell. My eyes rolled so hard at that moment.
You're right, there are handsome shots and scenes as well, but I honestly can't remember any of them because of the pacing.True. I thought a lot of the action was well shot and edited as well. The whole of the Endor System sequence was pretty great except for random Evil Rey. Loved the fighting with waves crashing around. One of the few novel visuals in the whole movie.
You can service the fans by servicing the characters and you can go along with "history" without recreating the same film. Man that's a bad take.One of the biggest complaints thrown at "Rise of Skywalker" is that the movie is pure fan service, which is not a claim Brandon will try to fight. "Look, sure, it's fan service," the editor said, "[but] if you didn't service the fans, it would be, 'Oh, he didn't go along with the history of 'Star Wars' and what it all means.''
Agreed. He can direct for sure.FWIW, StarTrek 09 is nearly perfect at reintroducing Trek while being a launching pad into a new franchise. We're talking like, a masterclass in film production and decision making. There were a few stupid things in it, but overall it was an amazing achievement.
Give a person a better environment and they will make better decisions every time.
It irks me a bit when JJ is referred to as a hack. While he's not a deft storyteller when it comes to originality, he is one of the best mainstream directors in the world, and is extremely talented.
wait what is this real lmaoWe should have known this was being rushed months ago when the posters were using photos of the toys with filters on them
True. I thought a lot of the action was well shot and edited as well. The whole of the Endor System sequence was pretty great except for random Evil Rey. Loved the fighting with waves crashing around. One of the few novel visuals in the whole movie.
If any of this is true about Disney sabotaging JJ then my criticism of him for the TRoS mess is unfair and wrong. I think the allegations would be pretty easy to corroborate.
"Disney set a December 20, 2019 release date for the movie that could not be moved"
It could totally be moved, though.
Shareholders and stock value gotta take priority, always.
"Disney set a December 20, 2019 release date for the movie that could not be moved"
It could totally be moved, though.