Holdo was a much welcome character since Leia didn't have any friend to interact with in the OT aside from the 3 people who wanted to bone her (Luke, Han, Lando).
Here's a thread from one of my favorite authors, Scott Lynch. I'm gonna copy and paste the text, since Era only allows 2 embeds, but I'll link it for anyone who wants to see it.
I want everyone to think on it whenever you argue how logically sound and consistent the OT is.
CRUCIAL DELETED SCENES FROM THE STAR WARS SAGA: A Short Thread
YODA: Into exile, you must go. A strategy, have you?
OBI-WAN: I'll take baby Luke to his dad's homeworld and give him to his dad's only living step-relatives.
YODA: A small heart attack, I seem to be having. So be it, Kenobi. At least well-loved, young Luke Lars will be.
OBI-WAN: Lars? Oh no, we're gonna call him Skywalker.
YODA: Motherfucker, remember the name of the guy we're trying to HIDE this kid from, do you?
OBI-WAN: Uh
YODA: At least tell me- a pseudonym YOU have?
OBI-WAN: Well-
YODA: Going to call yourself Kenobi, you are?
OBI-WAN: Yeah basically.
YODA: *sighs* Harsh, Tatooine is. Bringing clothes, are you?
OBI-WAN: I've got a big pile of my old Jedi uniforms.
YODA: (looks up from half-empty bottle of vodka) Listening I am, keep talking.
...
(Obi-Wan departs)
(Yoda sighs and calls Senator Bail Organa)
YODA: Took the decoy baby, dumbass did. Safe, you must keep the chosen one.
ORGANA: No worries. She'll be perfectly protected here on Alderaan. We'll get her into boring stuff like debate club and student council.
*TWENTY YEARS LATER*
LUKE: You know, I've been thinking about our arrangement--
UNCLE OWEN: Beru and I have been discussing it too, Luke. We've had a pretty good harvest this year. We think we can get by if you want to transmit your application to the academy now.
LUKE: Gosh, I'll do it right away!
(An Imperial facility, weeks later)
BUREAUCRAT: Here's the latest list of applicants for pilot training at the academy, my lord.
DARTH VADER: Good. (flips pages) These look solid. Especially this kid from Tatooine, this guy Sk-- oh my god.
The war is over.
Ran out of space insurance and have gone to update it?
TLJ is easily the tightest edit of all three new films. TFA trips over its feet in the second and third act (and Maz just disappears??), and RO has that awful blitz of planet hopping and exposition in the first act. TLJ is relatively consistent. There's a couple weird cuts, though, like the cut from slapstick with Finn ("Where's Rey?") to Ahch-To. That always strikes me as jarring. I also wish we'd gotten that deleted scene with Finn and Phasma. No one's seen it, obviously, but based on the description it sure sounds final-cut-worthy.TFA is mostly very well paced and edited until things move away from Takodana. At that point it moves too fast to Starkiller. There's good stuff in-between, like the Rey and Kylo interrogation, but it definitely needed some more padding there.
Otherwise I didn't think it felt edited like a "JJ movie," just, you know, a movie :p
That being said, TLJ was longer so it had more breathing room, but overall a better edited film for sure.
The editing in the third act (third of fourth) is really exceptional. It's the classic Lucas split -- three or four groups of heroes caught in peril as the film goes back and forth between them. I don't think Lucas ever did as well as Johnson, though.There are scenes in this that will be very rewatchable on Blu-ray. That whole throne room sequence along with the cutaways to the FO pursuing the resistance has that Star Wars editing magic I appreciate so much about this series. You have Williams score set to driving edits between action beats and dramatic reveals. It's reminiscent of scenes like the TIE attack or Death Star run in the first film. Or perhaps the throne room/Endor battles are the closest comparison.
But you're there, Seeya.Busy making posts about TLJ in other threads where there aren't as many thin skinned reactionaries. :P
Really strange omission. Finn needs every shred of development he can get, and this strikes me as pretty crucial. Especially going into Ep. IX.Phasma originally had another badass moment. The scene took place chronologically after she battled Finn on Snoke's ship, right after he smashes the hole in her helmet. A group of stormtroopers corner Finn and he tries to get them on his side, saying that they can join him and escape Phasma's grasp, just like he has. Finn says that she's really a coward who sold out the codes to Starkiller Base. He pleads with the First Order squad to escape with him. The stormtroopers all look at each other…and in a moment borrowed from a Sergio Leone western, Phasma pulls out her blaster and guns down all six or seven stormtroopers herself before they have any time to react. It felt like a tribute to a classic western shootout, but for whatever reason, it didn't feel right in that moment of the movie.
Star Wars threads tend to die down without Bobby lording over everyone with his smarter-than-you bullshit.
Star Wars threads tend to die down without Bobby lording over everyone with his smarter-than-you bullshit.
Same thing happened in the old place when he was permabanned there.
All the scenes that got cut from TLJ sound really meaty.This is the only deleted scene that really rankles me: http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-deleted-scenes/
Really strange omission. Finn needs every shred of development he can get, and this strikes me as pretty crucial. Especially going into Ep. IX.
Mod called him out on his bullshit and he ran away with his tail tucked between his legs.What happened to him here anyway? Seems like he had a breakdown and quit?
Mod called him out on his bullshit and he ran away with his tail tucked between his legs.
Seems to have pulled an Amirox too and edited all his posts here, LOL.
Make no mistake. I love TLJ and defend it, as my post history will show. By even I couldn't stand the vitriol the guy threw out before a mod stepped in.
I'm on .the same boat, he went too far in a lot of the posts, which isn't good and contributed to the aggressive atmosphere that was here.Mod called him out on his bullshit and he ran away with his tail tucked between his legs.
Seems to have pulled an Amirox too and edited all his posts here, LOL.
Make no mistake. I love TLJ and defend it, as my post history will show. By even I couldn't stand the vitriol the guy threw out before a mod stepped in.
Cutting the Rey scene is baffling. It is ultimately the very core of Luke's disillusionment with the Jedi.This is the only deleted scene that really rankles me: http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-deleted-scenes/
Really strange omission. Finn needs every shred of development he can get, and this strikes me as pretty crucial. Especially going into Ep. IX.
I believe it was cut because Luke was just flat out wrong. Story group felt his lesson flew in the face of established precedent, and I guess Rian came around to that.Cutting the Rey scene is baffling. It is ultimately the very core of Luke's disillusionment with the Jedi.
Assuming it got cut for time, it goes to show how poorly they adjusted this story to fit multiple plotlines when clearly it's the Luke/Rey story that was the focus of their intentions, with everything else as an afterthought.
Mod called him out on his bullshit and he ran away with his tail tucked between his legs.
Star Wars threads tend to die down without Bobby lording over everyone with his smarter-than-you bullshit.
The Jedi being shitters in the PT was worth it for TLJ and Punished Luke.
Novelization is March 6, so maybe April?
Well in a lot of ways they were the antithesis of the spirit of the OT. A literal group that only solved things by dueling with lightsabers.
Busy making posts about TLJ in other threads where there aren't as many thin skinned reactionaries. :P
Well in a lot of ways they were the antithesis of the spirit of the OT. A literal group that only solved things by dueling with lightsabers.
That's rich, Ha! You pop up with a TLJ hot take even In threads where I'm avoiding TLJ stuff.
Thread is dead people. Let's move on.
Hell yeah!Where will I post all these Reylo memes I've been hoarding, though?
I completely get that. I guess I kind of view that and the smugness as unintentional failures in execution. It's like the prequel trilogy is actually a part of the greater multiverse, and the one we saw drew a short straw.
If your disposition can't take people discussing box office performance then steer clear of threads dedicated to box office performance.
I mean on a real-world level, it's a shitty organization that demonizes human attachment and shames children in need of empathy. "Ugh, this kid is worried about his mom who was left behind as a slave. No thanks. Get over it."
I mean. My complaint is against you talking about it, not the discussion itself. I guess I should've said that. You barely post anything else in that thread about other movies. And yet, the instant TLJ pops up. That's what is "rich" to me.
I mean on a real-world level, it's a shitty organization that demonizes human attachment and shames children in need of empathy. "Ugh, this kid is worried about his mom who was left behind as a slave. No thanks. Get over it."
Well ok then.
Has it occurred to you that other people are in no way responsible to mollify your emotional imbalances?
This is what, the fourth time you've come into the thread to obstensively talk down to people? Having now progressed to outright pressuring others to end a discussion by means of claiming false authority, and transparent use of disarming language preceding the command that is now explicit as opposed to implicit?
'Come on guys, this topic is dead, let's move on' :)
I'm just wondering how many more pages until you drop the facade.
When it comes to the Box Office threads, I think I've recently made as many posts about Jumanji and Captain Marvel as I have TLJ.
Qui Gon: "Ey, I won this slave kid in a bet that I cheated on and took him away from his mother to bring him to see you. Kid's got midichlorians for days. Anyway, I guess I own this child now so can we get him set up with a bed or something? I callously left his mother to die in slavery (did I mention the slavery?), and he's got this mysterious evil aura around him, but I think he'll probably be fine."
Yoda: "Like nine this child seems to be. Seven, the cutoff age for admissions is. Back to his nightmare life he must go; clear are our workplace rules on this matter."
YdaY: "A total bitch, he is. Still cares about his mother he does! A whole day and a half, it's been! "Qui Gon: "Ey, I won this slave kid in a bet that I cheated on and took him away from his mother to bring him to see you. Kid's got midichlorians for days. Anyway, I guess I own this child now so can we get him set up with a bed or something? I callously left his mother to die in slavery (did I mention the slavery?), and he's got this mysterious evil aura around him, but I think he'll probably be fine."
Yoda: "Like nine this child seems to be. Seven, the cutoff age for admissions is. Back to his nightmare life he must go; clear are our workplace rules on this matter."
YdaY: "A total bitch, he is. Still cares about his mother he does! A whole day and a half, it's been! "
But the thing is the concept in the PT is that there's no emkemot. That any emotion is bad. It literally says that gaving any atracattac at all is not ok and will result in downfall.I mean I don't think the concept is bad. The idea being that those strong with the force and overemotional tend to become enticed by the dark side and well pretty mich become super powerful and evil. E.g is Yoda had said no we might not have had an empire in the first place and those young ones might still be around...
But ultimately poorly conveyed.
But the thing is the concept in the PT is that there's no emkemot. That any emotion is bad. It literally says that gaving any atracattac at all is not ok and will result in downfall.
In the OT what was expressed was the concept of control. You can have emotions as long as you control them not the other way around.
One reason I love KotoR 2 is that it explores this concept thoroughly.
I feel that the negative aspects of the PT at least gave good writers the opportunity to test it apart and tell interesting stories outside of the PT.