Holdo was a much welcome character since Leia didn't have any friend to interact with in the OT aside from the 3 people who wanted to bone her (Luke, Han, Lando).
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT3| The War is Just Beginning (Unmarked Spoilers)
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There are scenes in this that will be very rewatchable on Blu-ray. That whole throne room sequence along with the cutaways to the FO pursuing the resistance has that Star Wars editing magic I appreciate so much about this series. You have Williams score set to driving edits between action beats and dramatic reveals. It's reminiscent of scenes like the TIE attack or Death Star run in the first film. Or perhaps the throne room/Endor battles are the closest comparison.
TFA didn't really nail that imo. It was edited like a JJ movie (ie Star Trek). I cant quite put my finger on it, but it's more like a series of pans conservatively edited together rather than a more driving editing style.
TFA didn't really nail that imo. It was edited like a JJ movie (ie Star Trek). I cant quite put my finger on it, but it's more like a series of pans conservatively edited together rather than a more driving editing style.
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TFA is mostly very well paced and edited until things move away from Takodana. At that point it moves too fast to Starkiller. There's good stuff in-between, like the Rey and Kylo interrogation, but it definitely needed some more padding there.
Otherwise I didn't think it felt edited like a "JJ movie," just, you know, a movie :p
That being said, TLJ was longer so it had more breathing room, but overall a better edited film for sure.
Otherwise I didn't think it felt edited like a "JJ movie," just, you know, a movie :p
That being said, TLJ was longer so it had more breathing room, but overall a better edited film for sure.
Busy making posts about TLJ in other threads where there aren't as many thin skinned reactionaries. :P
TLJ is easily the tightest edit of all three new films. TFA trips over its feet in the second and third act (and Maz just disappears??), and RO has that awful blitz of planet hopping and exposition in the first act. TLJ is relatively consistent. There's a couple weird cuts, though, like the cut from slapstick with Finn ("Where's Rey?") to Ahch-To. That always strikes me as jarring. I also wish we'd gotten that deleted scene with Finn and Phasma. No one's seen it, obviously, but based on the description it sure sounds final-cut-worthy.
The editing in the third act (third of fourth) is really exceptional. It's the classic Lucas split -- three or four groups of heroes caught in peril as the film goes back and forth between them. I don't think Lucas ever did as well as Johnson, though.
The Force Awakens' editing style is something I really liked about it. For example, I specifically loved that it doesn't do the typical Star Wars thing of constantly flitting between five different final battles at the end. TFA sticks with the lightsabre fight from start to Rey getting the lightsabre, then cuts to the aerial fight for Poe's entire trench run, then back to the lightsabre fight until it's finished. I rewatched the Prequels recently and those movies feel kind of like you're a security guard with a monitor that's set up to switch between all your different security camera feeds on a timer, because they cut without rhyme or reason. I remember watching Attack of the Clones, and when Anakin rides off to go and save his mother I felt like the movie might have been about to break out into something genuinely good; Anakin blasting through the inhospitable terrain, with the binary suns in the background and Duel of the Fates playing... but then the movie just cuts away to some worthless scene of Obi Wan on Geonosis. It's so ham-handed, and they're all like that. It's like they're edited on a timer, not for dramatic reasons.
The Last Jedi does something different again, which is having those multiple simultaneous scenes (in this case Rey and Kylo's tug'o'war, Finn and Rose about to be executed and the Resistance's lifeboats being shot down), but having them all build in intensity towards the same climax of Holdo's lightspeed ram (timed to when Phasma says "Execute", no less).
The Last Jedi does something different again, which is having those multiple simultaneous scenes (in this case Rey and Kylo's tug'o'war, Finn and Rose about to be executed and the Resistance's lifeboats being shot down), but having them all build in intensity towards the same climax of Holdo's lightspeed ram (timed to when Phasma says "Execute", no less).
I feel like TLJ would be a great film to have extra editions. I know people hate being milked for cash, but I think an "alternate Rian Johnson cut," or an "Extended Edition," cut of The Last Jedi would be of interest to some of us.
I imagine someone on line is going to cut a version with all of the deleted scenes edited back in. Might as well get an official version. It's not necessary, but it's be cool to have.
I thought the editing in TFA was pretty solid overall. The editing in Rogue One I feel was the weakest, and the editing in The Last Jedi was mostly solid, with some weird choices here and there. The final two acts of the movie (I feel it's a four act movie, but I could be wrong?), were perfect, in my opinion. The build up of tension, and the intersecting of all of the disparate plot elements was really well done.
I imagine someone on line is going to cut a version with all of the deleted scenes edited back in. Might as well get an official version. It's not necessary, but it's be cool to have.
I thought the editing in TFA was pretty solid overall. The editing in Rogue One I feel was the weakest, and the editing in The Last Jedi was mostly solid, with some weird choices here and there. The final two acts of the movie (I feel it's a four act movie, but I could be wrong?), were perfect, in my opinion. The build up of tension, and the intersecting of all of the disparate plot elements was really well done.
I hope this rivalry extends to Episode 9, it's like Mario and Bowser.
This is the only deleted scene that really rankles me: http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-deleted-scenes/
Really strange omission. Finn needs every shred of development he can get, and this strikes me as pretty crucial. Especially going into Ep. IX.
Star Wars threads tend to die down without Bobby lording over everyone with his smarter-than-you bullshit.
Same thing happened in the old place when he was permabanned there.
What happened to him here anyway? Seems like he had a breakdown and quit?
User Banned (24H): Incitement
Mod called him out on his bullshit and he ran away with his tail tucked between his legs.
Seems to have pulled an Amirox too and edited all his posts here, LOL.
Make no mistake. I love TLJ and defend it, as my post history will show. By even I couldn't stand the vitriol the guy threw out before a mod stepped in.
All because he got a warning? Not to be gossipy but I'm totally going to be gossipy, do you have the post where it went down? I remember him getting warned twice and then everything seemed normal for a few weeks before.... poof
I'm on .the same boat, he went too far in a lot of the posts, which isn't good and contributed to the aggressive atmosphere that was here.
Cutting the Rey scene is baffling. It is ultimately the very core of Luke's disillusionment with the Jedi.
Assuming it got cut for time, it goes to show how poorly they adjusted this story to fit multiple plotlines when clearly it's the Luke/Rey story that was the focus of their intentions, with everything else as an afterthought.
I believe it was cut because Luke was just flat out wrong. Story group felt his lesson flew in the face of established precedent, and I guess Rian came around to that.
Anyway, we know why Luke is disillusioned. It's mostly guilt. I'm glad they cut that scene, because in the final film we have a character who's completely accurate in his assessment of the Jedi but completely misguided about how to deal with it.
Yeah know, I REALLY hate how the prequels made the Jedi a bunch of smug little shits and that in the end it was kinda necessary for them to be destroyed so someone could start over.
I wish they had remained the paragons of peace and justice who's destruction was an immeasurable tragedy and setback for the galaxy. I always expected something akin the death of King Arthur and Camelot. But instead we got the downfall of the Knights Templar.
I wish they had remained the paragons of peace and justice who's destruction was an immeasurable tragedy and setback for the galaxy. I always expected something akin the death of King Arthur and Camelot. But instead we got the downfall of the Knights Templar.
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LOL.
Stay not knowing what the fuck you're talking about, "El Bombastico"
Patience is a finite resource and stupid fuckholes are in abundance.
But if you really wanna credit me with that much influence over the shitpoor excuse for "discussion" being mourned here go right ahead. Someone not posting live from an embedded location inside their own colon might instead come to the conclusion the thread's dead because the film dropped out of the top ten and anyone even halfway rational is probably sick to death of litigating the 3 millionth argument over mary sues and how every female character in the series needs to justify their adequacy as story elements before they can do anything.
Stay thinking about me when I'm gone and getting brave enough to take your swings when you think I'm not looking tho.
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And the memes.
I'm hoping Rey doesn't take everything in the SACRED JEDI TEXTS to heart when she's kickstarting her new Jedi Order. Sick Force powers, lightsabres, warrior of light, keep the peace; keep all that good stuff. But I'm OK with her tearing out the page about not being able to make emotional attachments or have friends or whatever. The dress code can go, too. Also, flips? Don't need'em. If we can make it through this trilogy without a single flip I'll be a happy man (I guess Rey did a roll in TFA, but I can handle that).
Well in a lot of ways they were the antithesis of the spirit of the OT. A literal group that only solved things by dueling with lightsabers.
That's rich, Ha! You pop up with a TLJ hot take even In threads where I'm avoiding TLJ stuff.
Thread is dead people. Let's move on.
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I completely get that. I guess I kind of view that and the smugness as unintentional failures in execution. It's like the prequel trilogy is actually a part of the greater multiverse, and the one we saw drew a short straw.
If your disposition can't take people discussing box office performance then steer clear of threads dedicated to box office performance.
People can discuss what they want, my man.
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Hell yeah!Where will I post all these Reylo memes I've been hoarding, though?
I completely get that. I guess I kind of view that and the smugness as unintentional failures in execution. It's like the prequel trilogy is actually a part of the greater multiverse, and the one we saw drew a short straw.
If your disposition can't take people discussing box office performance then steer clear of threads dedicated to box office performance.
I mean. My complaint is against you talking about it, not the discussion itself. I guess I should've said that. You barely post anything else in that thread about other movies. And yet, the instant TLJ pops up. That's what is "rich" to me.
I mean on a real-world level, it's a shitty organization that demonizes human attachment and shames children in need of empathy. "Ugh, this kid is worried about his mom who was left behind as a slave. No thanks. Get over it."
Within the fiction? The movies frankly don't get into it at all. Other than acouple throwaway lines from Yoda suggesting Jedi are becoming more arrogant and full of themselves, we don't see any actual evidence of this. Almost like the Prequels completely fail at making whatever point they intended. People can point to the Clone Wars series for examples, and that stuff is canon. But it also doesn't really count considering the CG show came years after the prequels were over, and don't dictate anything about how those movies are told.
Well ok then.
Has it occurred to you that other people are in no way responsible to mollify your emotional imbalances?
This is what, the fourth time you've come into the thread to ostensively talk down to people? Having now progressed to outright pressuring others to end a discussion by means of claiming false authority, and transparent use of disarming language preceding the command that is now explicit as opposed to implicit?
'This thread is dead people, let's move on' :)
I'm just wondering how many more pages until you drop the facade.
As far as the Box Office threads are concerned, I've recently made as many posts about Jumanji and Captain Marvel as I have TLJ.
If you have a problem with that you should feel free to contact Kswiston who runs the threads. As he and I are currently discussing A New Hope's original theatrical run, he shouldn't be hard to find.
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Qui Gon: "Ey, I won this slave kid in a bet that I cheated on and took him away from his mother to bring him to see you. Kid's got midichlorians for days. Anyway, I guess I own this child now so can we get him set up with a bed or something? I callously left his mother to die in slavery (did I mention the slavery?), and he's got this mysterious evil aura around him, but I think he'll probably be fine."
Yoda: "Like nine this child seems to be. Seven, the cutoff age for admissions is. Back to his nightmare life he must go; clear are our workplace rules on this matter."
You tend to go for hurtful personal attacks in arguments suddenly. Don't do it. You are smart, you can avoid them.
And no Seeya, me being the third, fourth, fifth, person to say the thread is dying or has been dying for a couple of days doesn't mean I'm trying to prove something to you (or to whomever).
And it was only the second time i point that out :p (I honestly think, but I'm sure you will spend the next couple of minutes verifying that), and after others also pointed out that the discussions were turning redundant. Which they are in my opinion. And I don't think most discussions here are worth a thread for TLJ and can't be continued in the Star Wars OT at hangouts.
Or maybe they are? I guess the Blade Runner 2049 and other individual movie threads are still active from time to time. Although that doesn't mean they aren't "dead" either.
For how long did the Rogue One and TFA thread remain active?
That... yeah, it's a horrible lesson to teach in a kids movie.
Pop Culture Detective on YouTube did a recent video on this. A lot of his arguments were exaggerated in my opinion, mostly because I don't think Lucas knew what he was doing when he wrote the Jedi philosophy in the prequel era, and at the end, the prequels were in fact about how the old Jedi Order failed boys like Anakin by teaching them to simply repress emotion.
But it was still a shitty message. Too many people failed to pick up on the overall lesson of the prequels (because they were pretty bad) and think that's how Jedi should behave.
YdaY: "A total bitch, he is. Still cares about his mother he does! A whole day and a half, it's been! "
I mean I don't think the concept is bad. The idea being that those strong with the force and overemotional tend to become enticed by the dark side and well pretty mich become super powerful and evil. E.g is Yoda had said no we might not have had an empire in the first place and those young ones might still be around...
But ultimately poorly conveyed.
But the thing is the concept in the PT is that there's no emkemot. That any emotion is bad. It literally says that gaving any atracattac at all is not ok and will result in downfall.
In the OT what was expressed was the concept of control. You can have emotions as long as you control them not the other way around.
One reason I love KotoR 2 is that it explores this concept thoroughly.
I feel that the negative aspects of the PT at least gave good writers the opportunity to test it apart and tell interesting stories outside of the PT.
I would say that this is one thing from tge OT that is definetly retconned to fit the narrative. The only allusion to it in the OT is Yoda's 'too old to begin the training' and like Obi Wans desert robes becoming the quintessential Jedi garment and every sith having a Darth. It absolutely feels like what was an off the cuff comment from Yoda to simply neglect responsibility to train Luke becomes central to the Jedi belief in the PT.
With that said I think you kind off have to seperste them a little bit in respect for what they attempt to convey and in PT and the canon going forward they try to drive this Jedi = No Emotion or 'Peace' (which has popped up in other media like say Equilibirum?) and Sith = Live by your Emotions.
I would argue that simplifying it so pretty mich ruined the Jedi canon but that's bygone. In the context of the story Jedi with emotion can become mass murders. Similar to Mage's in Dragon Age where they are kinda feared because any of them can become Demons because of their abilities and as such are controlled.
I always likened the thought process of Jedi not embracing emotions as a Buddhist-like rejection of the material world, not getting attached to people or things