-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Feels weird that in Smash Bros, there hasn't been a new Zelda rep since Melee
- Thread starter Deleted member 1258
- Start date
Youre right, Mipha 4 Smash come on. Best champion, she is the only champion I will accept
No, it doesn't.
Series has THREE main character and has SIX fighters. It's perfectly fine.
It also has a LOT of representation through stages, music, items, etc. A game isn't only about fighters (and even then, SIX is a lot).
This weird "anti-Zelda" narrative makes no sense and has to add a lot of disclaimers and arbitrary "this doesn't count" rules to have any base and then it's super shaky. Other franchises would kill to get even one fighter (Rhythm Heaven says hello), so nah -- Zelda is represented perfectly.
Series has THREE main character and has SIX fighters. It's perfectly fine.
It also has a LOT of representation through stages, music, items, etc. A game isn't only about fighters (and even then, SIX is a lot).
This weird "anti-Zelda" narrative makes no sense and has to add a lot of disclaimers and arbitrary "this doesn't count" rules to have any base and then it's super shaky. Other franchises would kill to get even one fighter (Rhythm Heaven says hello), so nah -- Zelda is represented perfectly.
I'm really hoping for Skyward Sword Impa, especially because they made a point of having each Zelda character's design represent a different game and SS is missing.
There's quite a few. Impa is the most glaring one since she's the only recurrent character that still isn't in.
Skull Kid, Agahnim, Ghirahim, Yuga, and Ravio come to mind also.
Not being an echo fighter doesn't preclude being a clone, so for the purposes of this discussion I think it's fair to say he doesn't count. When people talk about wanting a new Zelda character, they're not typically asking for another Link who plays like Link. There are a lot of cool Zelda characters who I'd love to see playable at some point.
To be fair, Zelda doesn't have a lot of recurring characters. The only ones we don't already have are Impa, Pig Ganon, & Tingle.
As for Impa, I'd imagine that we'd get Skyward Sword Impa since (unless I'm mistaken) Nintendo may not have full ownership over any of Hyrule Warriors' designs.
As for Impa, I'd imagine that we'd get Skyward Sword Impa since (unless I'm mistaken) Nintendo may not have full ownership over any of Hyrule Warriors' designs.
Midna, Impa, Tetra, Classic Ganon, Ghirahim, Skull Kid and any of the four champions (possibly with Sage alts) would be great additions.
Dr. Mario was never an echo fighter. He has different properties from Mario and his moves all have much different applications. That's why Mario is amazing in Smash 4 and Doctor Mario is awful. It makes sense he's not an echo fighter and neither is Toon Link.
All those characters you mentioned are one-off characters (at least Skull Kid is in the way people envision him with Majora's Mask). Except Agahnim, technically, since he is just Pig Ganon.
Not even the team making Zelda games has any interest in reusing most of these characters besides Impa. A lot of them are completely irrelevant in their own games too -- the champions barely do anything in BOTW.
If the fanbase didn't hate Tingle because he's goofy, he would make the most sense to be added as he's an actual recurring character and the devs actually care about him.
Especially when 2 of those characters have been consistently updated to match one of their most recent appearances (and like I said earlier, are technically different characters for that reason).
Impa is a fucking shoe-in! SS Impa was the coolest so I'd take her design probably.
Ghirahim, Vaati, and Skull Kid would all be wonderful characters.
Ghirahim, Vaati, and Skull Kid would all be wonderful characters.
I hate that anyone who has ever been an assist trophy is basically stuck that way for the rest of Smash history.
They added Piranha Plant. They can add whoever the hell they want and they won't be out of place.
Truth be told I take it as Smash Bros. deciding to make their video games series en masse instead of bringing back classic gems and therefore just introducing characters we have already seen. This inevitably moves in support of younger audiences, who I think help big in bringing revenue (read: Mario Kart 8 roster "heavily influenced" first few "newcomers" of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)
Not really. Toon Link was literally just intended to be Young Link but updated to a newer incarnation of the character. The only difference between Young Link -> Toon Link and OoT Link -> TP Link -> BotW Link is that the latter doesn't have a descriptor in the name.
I don't think that not using characters in more than one game means the devs don't care about them. Zelda just tells a different story each entry, and they're all meant to be distinct from eachother.
It's hard for me to see how one could say care wasn't put into, say, Midna. Not to mention BotW's stand-alone DLC largely focusing on the Champions.
Yeah, they update the characters a lot. Link and Zelda feel like brand new characters now and super fun.
Not necessarily. Little Mac, Isabelle, & Dark Samus are all former Assist Trophies who were later promoted.
Nintendo doesn't own the rights to Linkle, if I recall correctly, so she might be on the same boat as Geno.
I like how the game representation for Zelda in Ultimate
Link: BotW
Zelda: ALttP/ALBW
Shiek: BotW
Gandondorf: OoT
Young Link: OoT/MM
Toon Link: WW
Usually they all represent the same game(outside of Toon Link obviously)
Link: BotW
Zelda: ALttP/ALBW
Shiek: BotW
Gandondorf: OoT
Young Link: OoT/MM
Toon Link: WW
Usually they all represent the same game(outside of Toon Link obviously)
Ganondorf apparently isn't terrible anymore as well.
Id like to see Impa or Urbosa I don't think they would add both. Also I hope after Ultimate they change everyone's moves they had the perfect chance for a BOTW moveset what a waste. Majora's Mask Link could easily have a mask moveset too.
Well we have both Toon Link and Young Link in this game and they're different, so they have to count as something...
My point isn't that they hate them, but that they don't see them as recurring characters to represent the series. Sakurai talks a lot with the original devs and I don't think he would deny Aonuma if he asked for a character, I just don't think the Zelda team feels shafted or anything and prefer to get the characters updated over an one off being added to Smash.
How unfortunate that fighters seem to be the only thing people care about when it comes to these games, lol. Just check out the fanbases' viewpoint on assist trophies (literally hell/a slap in the face) compared to how Sakurai views them (a neat way of representing other popular characters without making them playable).
I mean, people keep saying this but he's not just a common, random enemy. He's iconic, and was clearly an opportunity for the team to be creative with a character.
I also feel like Ganondorf being in has really clouded vision on how deserving Ganon himself is. A classic villain in 2 legendary games. Also in OoT, ALBW, Oracles.
He could be an cool Smash fighter, bringing totally different qualities than Dorf.
Even though they're technically the same person, I can't lump Ganondorf in with Bowser and Ridley as those classic NES villains. Only Ganon fits.
He could be an cool Smash fighter, bringing totally different qualities than Dorf.
Even though they're technically the same person, I can't lump Ganondorf in with Bowser and Ridley as those classic NES villains. Only Ganon fits.
They are, but they would have been good options for the main roster too.
Sheik, Lucas, Roy, Robin are also one-off characters. That's not a good enough reason why they can't make it.
Honestly I wish we had a few more characters in the Zelda series itself that were reoccurring. We have the main 3, and Impa. Tingle really hasn't been in a game since the mid 2000's.
Im fine with the characters but there is no reason for all 3 Links to share the same specials. All 3 hail from different games with different equipment, so make them unique in that regard.
Little Mac was a Brawl Assist Trophy who was later promoted in Wii U/3DS, whereas Isabelle & Dark Samus were Wii U/3DS Assist Trophies who were later promoted in Ultimate.
Lucas, Roy, and Robin aren't Zelda characters. Sheik was originally a special move of Zelda's that eventually split off into her own character.
While it can seem a little weird that it's been a long time since the Zelda series had a truly original newcomer added, I think the way the series is represented has always been fine as long as the triforce trio were all involved as they're the characters most central to that franchise. As long as there's still a Link, a Zelda, and a Ganon(dorf), the rest just feels like icing to me. Most anyone else you could ask generally either only appear in one game, or change so drastically in role and design that I wouldn't blame the dev team from shying away from them.
Impa, for instance, could be cool, but Impa has appeared as a large non-combatant handmaid, a short-haired warrior, a sleek ninja, and a tiny sagely old woman...there's really never been any particular picture people have in mind for her, compared to the relative consistency between the triforce trio. Hell, Impa's most asked-for design might be the one she got from a spinoff game that Nintendo themselves didn't make!
Does that preclude them from just picking some version of her and making it a fighter? No, and I'd probably enjoy seeing it, but I also don't feel like it's particularly likely or necessary. Vaati in his minish form would be another cool possibility, but seems equally unlikely. There's only so much that would make sense, though I suppose sense isn't always needed when it comes to Smash rosters either. The series' representation in Smash is really only problematic if you're looking at it in a comparative/competitive manner to other series. "Why does Mario/Metroid/Animal Crossing get a new rep while Zelda doesn't?" Because the roster selections have never actually worked that way.
Impa, for instance, could be cool, but Impa has appeared as a large non-combatant handmaid, a short-haired warrior, a sleek ninja, and a tiny sagely old woman...there's really never been any particular picture people have in mind for her, compared to the relative consistency between the triforce trio. Hell, Impa's most asked-for design might be the one she got from a spinoff game that Nintendo themselves didn't make!
Does that preclude them from just picking some version of her and making it a fighter? No, and I'd probably enjoy seeing it, but I also don't feel like it's particularly likely or necessary. Vaati in his minish form would be another cool possibility, but seems equally unlikely. There's only so much that would make sense, though I suppose sense isn't always needed when it comes to Smash rosters either. The series' representation in Smash is really only problematic if you're looking at it in a comparative/competitive manner to other series. "Why does Mario/Metroid/Animal Crossing get a new rep while Zelda doesn't?" Because the roster selections have never actually worked that way.
I think you have that backwards. Sheik was added to the roster before Zelda.
As a huge Zelda dude I'm actually pretty happy with things in Ultimate. Complete aesthetic overhauls for everyone, moveset tweaks all over the place, and Young Link as a fun bonus.
I was a big supporter of Tingle for Brawl, but unfortunately his time has passed. As far as I know they even cut his AT! What a shame, he'd be awesome.
Impa as a clone is really all I would want at this point. Pig Ganon would be awesome but, eh, there's other characters I'd want for DLC.
I was a big supporter of Tingle for Brawl, but unfortunately his time has passed. As far as I know they even cut his AT! What a shame, he'd be awesome.
Impa as a clone is really all I would want at this point. Pig Ganon would be awesome but, eh, there's other characters I'd want for DLC.
That's a stretch, lol. You make it sound like she didn't have a complete moveset from the start.
The dev team started with Sheik and then decided to add Zelda, btw.
There's barely any support for Pig Ganon anywhere and that tells me Zelda fans are awful at Banding together for a character, hence why there's been nothing for seventeen years.
Mario
Metal Mario
Doctor Mario
Jumpman
Luigi without the green missile
And Bowser was a clone of Charizard
People would be furious about Mario representation. Zelda fans shouldn't be happy about what they get
Imagine if five of the nine Mario characters were
Mario
Metal Mario
Doctor Mario
Jumpman
Luigi without the green missile
And Bowser was a clone of Charizard
People would be furious about Mario representation. Zelda fans shouldn't be happy about what they get
This is a pretty big omission. He's in more Zelda games as a pig demon than as a human.
I'm talking the regular blue pig form too, not the much larger giant boar version. His classic pig form's about Bowser's size.
I'm happy with what we have because that character roster's just ridiculous as it is, but yeah, there's definitely some very obvious room for improvement with Zelda representation.
I'm talking the regular blue pig form too, not the much larger giant boar version. His classic pig form's about Bowser's size.
Haha, yes.
I'm happy with what we have because that character roster's just ridiculous as it is, but yeah, there's definitely some very obvious room for improvement with Zelda representation.