But the comparison was with USUM. The anime is still an Alola show focusing on Alola Pokémon/characters. The anime isn't changing to a Kanto show focusing on its characters, so I don't think legs will be as good.
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Media Create Sales: Week 44, 2018 (Oct 29 - Nov 04)
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Let's go will drive sales, but between the smaller userbase, the tepid reception and the price of the switch (which is a tough sell for a kid's gift) it wouldn't make sense to have the same expectations about it than about USUM
How do they target children if most children's favorite Pokemon aren't in the game?
There has to be some reason they only have gen-one Pokemon in the game, and if that is not to appeal to gan-one-ers, I'm quite baffled by the decision.
For reference, I have a small cousin who is very into Gen 6 and 7 Pokémon thanks to the anime, but doesn't know much about gen 1.
So I don't get how this game is meant to appeal to kids if it doesn't feature the Pokémon and characters they know and like.
That applied to the other remakes and I don't think it hurt them.
Im sure they were attempting to appeal to them, I just don't think they succeeded. Also I feel that may have more to do with the development of the game.
It was a comparison with USUM legs tho, not the remakes.
Also, remakes are usually released after the new gens, when Pokémon fans are on the system already. And they do sell less than new gens anyway.
Yeah, one of my students yesterday drew a picture with Satoshi, mimikyu, decidueye, and Charizard X...
But all Pokemon (at the time they were made) were still available in the previous remake games.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Wonder if Pokémon stars would've been a better idea.
Ultra Sun and Moon sold well, a revamped HD version probably would look better than Let's Go and be less disappointing.
Guess GF is hoping to capitalize on Pokémon Go more directly and if there's something there it could be big, but it also risks being a poor introduction to Pokémon on switch
We'll find out in a few weeks in any case
Ultra Sun and Moon sold well, a revamped HD version probably would look better than Let's Go and be less disappointing.
Guess GF is hoping to capitalize on Pokémon Go more directly and if there's something there it could be big, but it also risks being a poor introduction to Pokémon on switch
We'll find out in a few weeks in any case
US/UM got plenty of backlash too, having another version of that would have gone down just as bad if not worse.
Maybe if they implemented those "ultra changes" they touted, it wouldn't have gotten so much heat
Clearly by naming it let's go they were hoping to catch some of the appeal of go. Only problem is the game captures none of the appeal of Pokémon go and has a massive barrier to entry unlike go.
They seemed to have been attempting to go after multiple crowds with this game but none successfully. They pandered to nostalgia but also alienated many of the fans that would appeal to. They went after the go audience without adding any real appeal to that crowd. They also seem to want to appeal to the younger audience thinking that dumbing down the game in any way achieves that (just one quick look at the most popular kids games would tell you that's nonsense).
The game will sell ok due to being part of such a huge franchise as well as riding the increased brand awareness caused by Pokémon go but it's a total failure on gamefreaks part IMO.
Having said that obviously I'll feel pretty silly when the game sells gangbusters lol.
Every one that says a Pokémon game will bomb is an idiot.
And by the way it's pretty possible that Let's Go is helping USUM having better legs than usual being aimed at 2 different audiences on 2 different platforms (and no retrocompatibility).
Based on what I have read in interviews they are probably hoping that the simplification and changes in addition to the popularity Pikachu and Eevee brings in new players. I would guess them only going with gen 1 Pokemon is them keeping it "simple".
I was mostly responding to your comment about the anime not going back to Kanto.
This way they get USUM money and Let's Go money while being able to experiment. Also, this game seems to a project for Masuda to play with while the gen 8 games are in development and Stars wouldn't have been that.
They want those Go players. But this doesn't have Go's 2 key selling points: community and barrier of entry.
LG is just a remake built around Go's catching mechanic, which was made by Masuda. This might just be Masuda's idealized Go game
Let's Go is a great thing imo. It gives more time to developp Gen 8 while expanding the fanbase.
When the alternative is nothing or a rushed Gen 8, it is really the best solution.
However they need to push it very very hard if they want it to be a total success. They are not doing that for now imo.
When the alternative is nothing or a rushed Gen 8, it is really the best solution.
However they need to push it very very hard if they want it to be a total success. They are not doing that for now imo.
Yes, they would give away a full re-imagining of Yellow in a free mobile game. Some of you really are clueless.
We know it's a lower budget game so a lower budget for marketing is to be expected (still a huge marketing campaign compared to most other franchises). It's going to be a hugely profitable game and I'm sure that's what GF, Nintendo and TPCi want + it will sell a bunch of Switch's.
It's going to sell really well and for a really long time. It's a Pokemon with links to one of the most successful mobile games of all time releasing near the holidays for the hottest system on the market.
I mean there are diehard Pokemon fans who will skip this, but I don't see any reason it won't be a mainstream hit.
What piece of the puzzle am I missing?
I mean there are diehard Pokemon fans who will skip this, but I don't see any reason it won't be a mainstream hit.
What piece of the puzzle am I missing?
Agree, and i'm even more happy it seems to hit few targets of players (at least from my anecdots) the people which grew up with Pokémon, but are not gamers at all since then, and really like the cutey side, and the people which doesn't like at all fighting in Pokémon
Go is a free mobile game. Let's go is $60 and requires a $300 console.
the problem i have with this point specifically is that while the mobile game expands in its functionality, the switch game will remain static. this point would work much better if pokemon that couldn't be transferred to LG didn't outnumber the pokemon that can. and with Niantic reiterating on adding battles, it's gonna make LG more redundant (if they can get it out before 2020, anyway). LG just has a longevity problem.
as for sales, I don't think many of the detractors are claiming that the game will bomb. we're not /vp/ here.
Didn't stop whales from spending a few hundreds dollars on GO.
but $10 did stop Mario Run from being a success despite it's high download rate. the people who're not willing to spend cash up front aren't exactly the same people who're whales
He didnt say it will sell as much as GO did
Take thr GO download numbers, divide it for 1000 and it still would be the most succesfull console gane of all time
I personally think tgat it will sell lower than previous mid gen games at launch, way better than any spin off, and will continue sell at lrast for an entire year in high position of many ww charts
Really incomparable situations. Mario Run required you to spend 10$ just to try it it was good while Pokémon Go is about to convert people already spending money.
Well free is free though. How many of those millions of downloads didn't spend a dime on the game though? We should be comparing those who spent money on the mobile game.
I had several older ppl at my work who downloaded go to see what it was all about. They're definitely not going to buy a switch for let's go
The point is that mobile users don't like paying premium prices for games.
I totally agree
But I seriously think that we should take a look at the numbers here
The 20 millions copies sold by the main pokemon episodes are nothing compared to GO
I still think that this will be a very succesfull pokemon spinoff game for the console market
And how many spend a lot of money and are likely to buy a game related to it ? Millions.
I agree but maybe we should put numbers on the table
Do we have an average number for
Pokemon main episodes
Pokemon mid gen episodes
Pokemon spin offs
sales in japan?
Surely we can calculate all of that with the archived numbers (can't do it right now though).
it will sell around 10mi in the long run.
When you consider that a game like 1-2 Switch sold over 2million, a game like P-O-K-E-M-O-N Let's Go can sell around 10kk.
When you consider that a game like 1-2 Switch sold over 2million, a game like P-O-K-E-M-O-N Let's Go can sell around 10kk.
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I'm thinking more in line with Pokémon third versions, so 7/8m.
They transposed a gameboy world into 3D. They already have the Pokémon models. There's plenty of mobile games with more effort than this.
The least successful remake is LG/FR who sold 12m, anything less than 10m would be a complete disaster and highly unlikely.
I'm calling the game low effort. Which is a decision made from the top and doesn't say anything about the devs working on it.
Not that it matters to the overall point, but i just wanted to say that Super Mario Run let people play the three first stages or so for free. Then you needed an in-game purchase to unlock the rest of the game.
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yeah sure. LG is not BotW tier of work load but saying mobile games have more effort pour into em that LG is comedy gold
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Some issues with Let's Go:
-It's impossible to hype or promote the game because there's nothing there. This is the fourth remake of Red/Blue (Gold/Silver post game, FireRed/LeafGreen, HGSS post game) and there are only 152 Pokemon. The co-op seems like it was tacked on and the catching mechanic can be explained in seconds. There's no there there to talk about or get people excited.
-The graphics are obviously not good and the game probably started as an iPhone game. Pokemon Let's Go's battle and capture sequences have the worst lighting of any Nintendo game on WiiU and Switch with garbage shadows. Also, the art style sucks.
-The removal of the capturing mechanic seems like it pleases no one as the difficult part of Pokemon is remembering type weaknesses. I don't think this lowers the barrier for entry for anyone but does introduce a repetitive and boring minigame to a 25 hour long RPG.
But it's mostly the first thing that is the issue. There's nothing interesting in the game. There's nothing to talk about it. Everyone has seen everything this game has to offer over and over again.
-It's impossible to hype or promote the game because there's nothing there. This is the fourth remake of Red/Blue (Gold/Silver post game, FireRed/LeafGreen, HGSS post game) and there are only 152 Pokemon. The co-op seems like it was tacked on and the catching mechanic can be explained in seconds. There's no there there to talk about or get people excited.
-The graphics are obviously not good and the game probably started as an iPhone game. Pokemon Let's Go's battle and capture sequences have the worst lighting of any Nintendo game on WiiU and Switch with garbage shadows. Also, the art style sucks.
-The removal of the capturing mechanic seems like it pleases no one as the difficult part of Pokemon is remembering type weaknesses. I don't think this lowers the barrier for entry for anyone but does introduce a repetitive and boring minigame to a 25 hour long RPG.
But it's mostly the first thing that is the issue. There's nothing interesting in the game. There's nothing to talk about it. Everyone has seen everything this game has to offer over and over again.
I agree. But do we have an idea of how many people fall in that first bucket?
The kids haven't though. Let's hope this game can take the kids away from Fortnite, Minecraft and Rocket League, games that are actually challenging. This "videogame is too hard for kids" shit needs to stop. I played Pokemon when I was a kid, I know how hard it is for a kid.
One fact that seems to keep getting overlooked is that while Let's Go may sell lower amounts its also retailing at a 20-30% higher price (at least in the West) and is also probably going to sell 1 or 2 million Poke Ball + controllers at the same time.
While software sales are undoubtedly going to be lower they may actually make more revenue than a number of previous entries because of these two factors. I imagine Nintendos press release will highlight this when they release the usual statements they do after first week sales (using dollar sales instead of raw sales numbers)