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Which team are you in, hooman? (NOTE: Vote-changing disabled!)

  • #TeamReal

    Votes: 2,046 67.7%
  • #TeamFake

    Votes: 978 32.3%

  • Total voters
    3,024
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Ryce

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Oct 25, 2017
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This one.
This is a bigger blow than people are willing to accept. The entire castle island is missing -- there's way too much water. It's not a matter of compression.
 

GoldStarz

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Oct 25, 2017
2,040
You make some compelling points for sure, but as a graphic and audiovisual designer I can tell you that something like this would take more than "mere hours". Sure, someone could do this for attention and to get their work out there. It worked for the guys who did the Rayman leak. But this dude actually made a completely unrelated Grinch render and he actually produced a wristband with (his) Smash artwork on it which usually are only available to order in large quantities (and thus pretty expensive) if you want custom art printed on it.

And the Snapchat thing could very well be real. I do a lot of work for record labels and I (especially in the early days) have accidentally sent out snaps with unreleased music playing in the background without thinking twice about it. Nothing happened since I only send out snaps to friends, but maybe this guy posted it in his story for everyone to see. For all we know the dude doesn't even know that those characters are unannounced and just wanted to show his friends that his company was printing Smash related merch.
Wasn't it already confirmed that the Grinch renders weren't actually unreleased, just previously released renders that were missing or had non-descript added elements?
 

ShinobiBk

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Dec 28, 2017
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So the super sleuths can't find anything super damaging to the credibility of this leak yet the insiders are saying its fake.

This is going to sound like I'm joking but humor me for a second.

It almost sounds to me like Nintendo put in an extra precaution just in case things leaked as they have today. Insiders and press were given info on what was said to be the final roster by Nintendo themselves. In doing so "leakers" connected to the press could reveal what they assume is everything and there would still be surprises for everyone. If the real full leak ever did get actually leaked(as it did today) the Insiders would band together saying its fake which would temper expectations of the general Smash going public.

Tell me that aint a perfect set up to keep peoples hype in check and still manage to surprise us all? Only thing is it seems like most of us aren't buying what the insiders are selling.

This just seems way too real. I mean once again Dixie was cut. How much more proof do you need?
So, you're calling multiple people on this, some of which who post on this forum, straight up liars.
Cause that's what you're saying, they're deliberately lying to cover for Nintendo, which is basically saying they have no integrity
 

TheFireman

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Dec 22, 2017
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I'll be the first to admit that a LOT of it is impossible to definitively say is changed because of the image quality. But some things, like the missing castle, the cut off waterfall, and the shape of some of the crystals, can't be explained away with the image quality.

It could easily be explained away as an artistic choice. They're clearly willing to move characters around on the banner. Why not be willing to remove a castle if it looks better?
 

GoldStarz

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Oct 25, 2017
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A possibility is that their Incineroar source had early info and was confident that Incineroar was in the game and leaked him with Simon and Isabelle then it turned out that the most likely of the three somehow got cut
I'd put Isabelle as higher priority than Incineroar honestly. Isabelle is an extremely popular character, while Incineroar is a Pokemon rep, he's not particularly popular outside of being a starter.
 

Mark1

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Oct 30, 2017
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Inklings (Splatoon)
~Daisy (Super Mario)
Ridley (Metroid)
Simon (Castlevania)
~Richter (Castlevania)
~Chrom (Fire Emblem)
~Dark Samus (Metroid)
King K. Rool (Donkey Kong)
Isabelle (Animal Crossing)
~Ken (Street Fighter)
~Shadow (Sonic)
Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Mach Rider (Mach Rider, NES)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Chorus Kids (Rhythm Heaven)
Banjo Kazooie (Banjo Kazooie)

It is definitely a decent mix of classic, modern and fan favourite requests.

Isaac, Geno, Ridley, K. Rool, Dark Samus, Chrom, Shadow and Banjo (maybe Daisy too, she seemed like an obvious Peach echo, although there certainly has been demand for her) are all most likely choices from the Smash Ballot. Possibly Isabelle and Inklings too, but they're both insanely popular either way.

Ken, Simon, Richter, Mach Rider and Chorus Kids are potentially just based on Sakurai's personal preferences.
Ryu was definitely not a Ballot choice and Ken always made sense as an Echo fighter.
Richter was definitely not recognized by most for his dual reveal with Simon.

Mach Rider to me feels as crazy as Duck Hunt duo. I doubt they would've been popular in the Smash Ballot. Or Chorus Kids for that matter, but they were cut from Smash 4 anyway.

I'm more inclined towards #teamreal
 

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the man should have used some of the time he spent working on the grinch to fine tune the castles

So, you're calling multiple people on this, some of which who post on this forum, straight up liars.
Cause that's what you're saying, they're deliberately lying to cover for Nintendo, which is basically saying they have no integrity
i think the idea is they're being used by nintendo
 

Mandos

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Nov 27, 2017
31,282
No events left that a wristband makes sense
If its just promo materials why the extremely low res, also unlikely they would give promo materials out before final reveals due to obvious leaks
Jigglypuff easy to shop because its so blurry. In fact with the small image size the whole thing is easy to shop.
Easy to impersonate media with simple google/linkedin searches
Grinch might be the only actual leak, a red herring, or just another fake.
Outside of Banjo and Ken the list looks like a "fanboy" wet dream wishlist for a bunch of dead characters practically nobody cares about. Even Banjo is practically a dead franchise at this point. There are tons of way bigger characters than this leak.
Past fake leaks have been more elaborate than this

There is lots of reasons to be skeptical, but it can't be disproved either because it's so blurry.
I dunno, it is Paris games week for the next week and this printer is in France
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Australia. Nintendo Land
I don't want a lot for Christmas
There is just one thing I need
And I don't care about the Echoes
Daisy was enough for me

I don't need a single player
with awful unbalanced bosses
Sakurai won't make me happy
With yet another Subspace

Oh, I won't ask for much this Christmas
not even for unique Dorf
And I'm just gonna keep on waiting
Like Ridley grew down two stores

I won't make a list and send it
To Nintendo for Dixie
I won't even stay awake for
4chan threads in need for clicks

'Cause I just want you here tonight
maining you, smile in sight
What more can I do?
Cause baby all I want for Christmas is you

I just want you for my own
More than you could ever know
Make my wish come true
All I want for Christmas
Is you
You, baby

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oh god, mariah and this game together. Best post for me lol

i just need banjo in the game lol give it life

#teamreal
 

MayorSquirtle

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May 17, 2018
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It could easily be explained away as an artistic choice. They're clearly willing to move characters around on the banner. Why not be willing to remove a castle if it looks better?
Does it look better? Again, I have to ask, does it not seem suspicious that for all the big differences you could point out between the two, it's always that details have been removed in the leak without anything being added? Keep in mind that a lot of these details can't even be seen once the mural is covered in characters. I'm not saying that it's impossible that they went in and simply removed a select few major details without adding anything to it, but what reason would they have for that?
 

Deleted member 34949

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So, you're calling multiple people on this, some of which who post on this forum, straight up liars.
Cause that's what you're saying, they're deliberately lying to cover for Nintendo, which is basically saying they have no integrity
Er... they're speculating that insiders were deliberately given false info, not saying that insiders are willingly lying.
 

GJ

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Netherlands
Wasn't it already confirmed that the Grinch renders weren't actually unreleased, just previously released renders that were missing or had non-descript added elements?
I don't know about that. I haven't read all of the pages in the thread tbh.

Man, I'm so torn on this one. Knowing how much work goes into something like this makes me say it's 99% real, but then something like the Battlefield pic comes up and it makes me think that it might be fake. I love it though, haha.
 

Troast

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Oct 31, 2017
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No #TeamReal has weathered the following critiques of our position and has come out strong each time.

We had shadowgate, shut down in hours.
We have insiders saying no, but they had doubts.
We have this picture, which was shown to be accurate many pages ago, but again Sherlock and his companions have found issues in a blurry pic too hard to see anything of that detail. The general shapes consistent with both are all present.
 

Weiss

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Oct 25, 2017
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That goes from 26-30
wouldn't these characters need to be announced already?

I mean they wouldn't have to be. Beating the leaks to the punch has been something we've been theorizing, not a concrete fact.

It'd be weird to me if the final reveals were at an event rather than a dedicated Direct though.
 

megachao24

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Oct 25, 2017
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So the super sleuths can't find anything super damaging to the credibility of this leak yet the insiders are saying its fake.

This is going to sound like I'm joking but humor me for a second.

It almost sounds to me like Nintendo put in an extra precaution just in case things leaked as they have today. Insiders and press were given info on what was said to be the final roster by Nintendo themselves. In doing so "leakers" connected to the press could reveal what they assume is everything and there would still be surprises for everyone. If the real full leak ever did get actually leaked(as it did today) the Insiders would band together saying its fake which would temper expectations of the general Smash going public.

Tell me that aint a perfect set up to keep peoples hype in check and still manage to surprise us all? Only thing is it seems like most of us aren't buying what the insiders are selling.

This just seems way too real. I mean once again Dixie was cut. How much more proof do you need?
...Well, this tactic isn't unheard of. Paramount, Hasbro and Micheal Bay did something similar for the Transformers movie series. But even then this sounds too far outlandish to be true.
 

Metto

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Oct 27, 2017
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For all we know the wristband is just a prototype/possible design. We don't know if it has to be for an event or has to have that pattern
 

Deleted member 34949

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I'm more expecting a Gematsu situation more than them getting deliberately false info. That seems a touch much even for Nintendo
Yeah, plans change during development all the time, and there's no real way to pinpoint how up to date leaked information is.

I can think of a few games in particular (Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 for one) where early leak roster lists had characters that didn't end up making the cut, but also had longshot characters that people absolutely didn't believe would be in the game until they were actually revealed.
 

Balfour

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why a wristband and not something like a poster anyway?

Hypothetically those wirstbands can be used as confirmation in an event

Such as you sign up for a limited event where you need a pass to get through, and the band you can only get at registration could be used as one

Or its just a cheap handout

*not saying its real*
 

eggs_

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Jan 10, 2018
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With the real background to compare it to, I'm definitely gonna have to back #TeamFake.

I can't think of any logical reason for the discrepancies
 
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