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Do you think Incineroar still have a shot at making in Smash Bros as playable character?

  • Yes

    Votes: 375 55.7%
  • No

    Votes: 298 44.3%

  • Total voters
    673
  • Poll closed .
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TeamLeftMatch

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,683
Update to the

Reset era number of character left bet (Avatar bet):

#teamjust2:

yuoke
Choppasmith
Platy
memoryman3
Farrac
Zubz

#teammorethan2:

Mewshuji
ShinobiBK
Clefargle
Pancracio17
Lord Vatek
TheCed
Lady Bow
jack_package_200
Tansut
BGBW
Wil Grieve
MexM
RailWays
theotherMittens
CloverNotes
MoonGirard
Shayla
Armite
Giga Man
Geno
Lbbaker
Monolithsoft
Byakura
Toño
MondoMega
Masozi
V_ac
Sponge
chrisPjelly
Dyle
kyo2004
GiantBreadbug
mas8705
L Thammy
DrArchon
TimeFire
LoboRudas
Okabe
wildvine47
Terraforce
Angst
nopressue
woopWOOP
RomanceDawn
Brock Reiher
Chauzu
Psychonaut
Axass
alexi52
Donizetty
Phizax
TheGamingNewsGuy
DimitriLH
RockmanBN
Odeko
Weiss
TurtleHead
FiXalaS


Remember, echos do count, this is the base game and you are allowed to either switch teams or opt out (until a leak or direct comes, more than the ken leak will count) e.g incineroar.

If any of these update post is after your post and I did not Include you or I put you in the wrong team, then please PM to add you in (same goes for if you want to opt out or anything like that).

(If you are asking when I post these update posts, whenever usually and before I sleep)
 

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User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
37,160
Kongo Jungle, Dream Land 64 and Yoshi's Story Melee take this spot for me in they're generic representations of the source material as opposed to doing anything interesting with their respective source material.

People love Randall, but I don't recall that cloud ever helping me, lol.
Dang, Yoshi's Story is my single favorite stage by some margin, and I don't even play competitively. I'm so glad it's back.
 

SalvaPot

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,617
Update to the

Reset era number of character left bet (Avatar bet):

#teamjust2:

yuoke
Choppasmith
Platy
memoryman3
Farrac
Zubz

#teammorethan2:

Mewshuji
ShinobiBK
Clefargle
Pancracio17
Lord Vatek
TheCed
Lady Bow
jack_package_200
Tansut
BGBW
Wil Grieve
MexM
RailWays
theotherMittens
CloverNotes
MoonGirard
Shayla
Armite
Giga Man
Geno
Lbbaker
Monolithsoft
Byakura
Toño
MondoMega
Masozi
V_ac
Sponge
chrisPjelly
Dyle
kyo2004
GiantBreadbug
mas8705
L Thammy
DrArchon
TimeFire
LoboRudas
Okabe
wildvine47
Terraforce
Angst
nopressue
woopWOOP
RomanceDawn
Brock Reiher
Chauzu
Psychonaut
Axass
alexi52
Donizetty
Phizax
TheGamingNewsGuy
DimitriLH
RockmanBN
Odeko
Weiss
TurtleHead
FiXalaS


Remember, echos do count, this is the base game and you are allowed to either switch teams or opt out (until a leak or direct comes, more than the ken leak will count) e.g incineroar.

If any of these update post is after your post and I did not Include you or I put you in the wrong team, then please PM to add you in (same goes for if you want to opt out or anything like that).

(If you are asking when I post these update posts, whenever usually and before I sleep)
Put me on the more than 2 team, please.
 
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IntelliHeath

IntelliHeath

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,203
So something interesting about that banner. It doesn't have Isabelle.

So that could lend some credence to my counter theory to the Box Theory that they're going to use the roster as of the Smash Direct for general marketing. So the Special Edition may not even be updated. They'll probably use the box that we see now and it won't have the characters that we see afterwards like Isabelle and the recently leaked Ken.

Or they just chose to wait until next smash direct to update everything.

Heh. Good to see him own up to that (years after the fact).

And Liam didn't even throw him under the bus under the pressures, etc which made him a good person.
 
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IntelliHeath

IntelliHeath

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,203
The way I see it is this

During Smash 4's post-launch cycle we saw 4 characters, three of which were veterans that were brought back. This was an easy way for them to work with limited resources and construct a character that still ostensibly had a "base" for them in a previous title. That's why they were sold at a discount; they likely weren't as much effort on part of the development team to create. If we didn't get those characters I imagine that they'd likely only get one more original newcomer out of it with the smaller team they had (because I suspect Smash 4 wasn't initially planned to get post-launch content so there was less of a budget for it).

Going into Smash Ultimate they don't have that luxury, and I don't think echoes are going to be as attractive of an incentive moving onward, especially with how irregular the release schedule was for Smash 4. Given how they're essentially model swaps that provide very little new game play experiences, there's a sense that people might want a little more out of their buck. So what I suspect will happen, is that Isabelle-styled derivative characters are essentially going to be the new "Veteran DLC" for them. In some ways this works even better than the Veteran DLC we got for Smash 4; Mewtwo, Roy and Lucas had to be rebuilt between games. But a derivative character within Ultimate? Not as much would have to be recreated from the ground up to do this once you've constructed their model. They'd have a complete set of characters in Ultimate to use as a base and modify as they see fit, and we could see things like Octolings and Dixie; characters who are built off of existing characters, but feature elements that in some ways expand a little more.upon their core characteristics. The same way Isabelle could've been a simple echo but now features a lot of moves that are variations on Villager's, I think a character like Octoling could be an echo, but that they'll find ways to incorporate some Splatoon 2 weapons (like the Dualies) and a few unrepresented weapon types (Splat Charger etc.), while a character like Dixie would likely be eschewed from being a mere echo due to having a significant characteristic that defines her attributes in a unique way.

I think this is a great way to fill in the void with DLC characters that are a little more than just echoes and satisfying some fans who've been wanting to see them, whereas new echoes will instead be reserved for brand new characters that bring them along, such as the way Simon brought Richter in with him. Something like Spring Man with a Ribbon Girl echo makes a lot of sense.

Currently I had a similar thinking as you did but I wonder if we are going to very few free contents between release date and real DLC support begins. We could get a couple of free echo fighters or something like that. Who knows.
 

NeonZ

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 28, 2017
9,396
So something interesting about that banner. It doesn't have Isabelle.

So that could lend some credence to my counter theory to the Box Theory that they're going to use the roster as of the Smash Direct for general marketing. So the Special Edition may not even be updated. They'll probably use the box that we see now and it won't have the characters that we see afterwards like Isabelle and the recently leaked Ken.

I've thought about that too. The format (jumping around, leaving holes in both sides, with the last unseen row having only 8 characters, rather than just following the website order) might have been chosen because they knew there'd be open space and they wouldn't be able to fill everything, so they did it in a way to leave open spaces in both sides.

Attempting to coordinate promotional images and packages featuring the entire cast could just lead to leaks too unless the entire cast gets revealed surprising early (like October).
 

Mark1

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,007
I don't actually recall Verge stating every veteran would return.

Don't remember anyone making that claim actually.

Maybe there was some speculation here and there. But I certainly don't remember seeing any specific leaks prior to E3 talking about everyone returning
 

mopinks

Member
Oct 27, 2017
30,622
if I had to pick a third Capcom rep I'd give it to Phoenix in honor of his legacy and his fan support and ALSO because he'd be weird as hell

MvC did great things with him
 
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IntelliHeath

IntelliHeath

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,203
I don't actually recall Verge stating every veteran would return.

Don't remember anyone making that claim actually.

Maybe there was some speculation here and there. But I certainly don't remember seeing any specific leaks prior to E3 talking about everyone returning

He never did. He only mention everyone from smash 4 comes back along with Snake and Ice Climbers. He never mentions Wolf, Pokemon Trainer, Young Link or Pichu.
 

TDLink

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,411
I don't actually recall Verge stating every veteran would return.

Don't remember anyone making that claim actually.

Maybe there was some speculation here and there. But I certainly don't remember seeing any specific leaks prior to E3 talking about everyone returning
He said that there would be no cuts from Smash 4 and that Snake and ICs would be back. All of that was true. Just because he didn't call/know everyone ever was back doesn't mean he was wrong. It just means he didn't have info that literally everyone was back/didn't know about Pichu, Young Link, Wolf, etc.

Vergeben has never claimed to have comprehensive information. He knew about Simon and Isabelle, but not K Rool or any of the revealed echoes. He supposedly knows about Ken, Incineroar, and a Square rep, but that doesn't mean that is all that's left either.
 

KtotheRoc

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
56,783
I'll guess that Smash Direct Part II: Electric Boogaloo will come any time within 6 weeks of the game's official release.
 

MondoMega

One Winged Slayer
Member
Jan 10, 2018
47,477
Smash Direct will be in the first half of November (before review copies of the game get out; maybe even before the console bundle releases).

But before that we'll get a short livestream on the Smash website sometime in October, with Incineroar and Ken.

Book it.
 

TheCed

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,428
Haven't read everything here, but with all the teasing of the "New Pokemon" in pokemon go. Do we expect any kind of Pokemon Direct anytime soon ?

Would be the best moment for Incineroar
 

Mark1

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,007
He never did. He only mention everyone from smash 4 comes back along with Snake and Ice Climbers. He never mentions Wolf, Pokemon Trainer, Young Link or Pichu.
This really needs put out there in that case. Everyone refers to him as the leaker who's claimed most of the correct fighters returning.

No disrespect to the guy, he did get a few right. Like Ridley, Isabelle and Simon. But the Smash fandom is brutal if they get one piece of info wrong
 

Mark1

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,007
Vergeben has never claimed to have comprehensive information. He knew about Simon and Isabelle, but not K Rool or any of the revealed echoes. He supposedly knows about Ken, Incineroar, and a Square rep, but that doesn't mean that is all that's left either.
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Also, very true. I've just seen people twist his words and others start listening to that instead.

I believe all 3 you've mentioned are going to be announced. I suspect he knows the other Square rep (Geno), but doesn't want to reveal too much in case of Nintendo being onto him.
 
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I think a vertically scrolling stage could work if maybe it was more like a transitioning stage and had a few areas where it stopped for while
 

BassForever

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Member
Oct 25, 2017
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CT
Pokémon, sure. But the closer we get to the end, the more uneasy I feel about Elma's chances. And like I said early on, I feel like it's Day 1 or never for Elma.

I wouldn't be surprised if Elma was one of the characters sacrificed in favor of bring back all the vets in terms of development time
 

Hailinel

Shamed a mod for a tag
Member
Oct 27, 2017
35,527
Update to the

Reset era number of character left bet (Avatar bet):

#teamjust2:

yuoke
Choppasmith
Platy
memoryman3
Farrac
Zubz

#teammorethan2:

Mewshuji
ShinobiBK
Clefargle
Pancracio17
Lord Vatek
TheCed
Lady Bow
jack_package_200
Tansut
BGBW
Wil Grieve
MexM
RailWays
theotherMittens
CloverNotes
MoonGirard
Shayla
Armite
Giga Man
Geno
Lbbaker
Monolithsoft
Byakura
Toño
MondoMega
Masozi
V_ac
Sponge
chrisPjelly
Dyle
kyo2004
GiantBreadbug
mas8705
L Thammy
DrArchon
TimeFire
LoboRudas
Okabe
wildvine47
Terraforce
Angst
nopressue
woopWOOP
RomanceDawn
Brock Reiher
Chauzu
Psychonaut
Axass
alexi52
Donizetty
Phizax
TheGamingNewsGuy
DimitriLH
RockmanBN
Odeko
Weiss
TurtleHead
FiXalaS


Remember, echos do count, this is the base game and you are allowed to either switch teams or opt out (until a leak or direct comes, more than the ken leak will count) e.g incineroar.

If any of these update post is after your post and I did not Include you or I put you in the wrong team, then please PM to add you in (same goes for if you want to opt out or anything like that).

(If you are asking when I post these update posts, whenever usually and before I sleep)
I pray for your sake that #teammorethan2 wins.
 
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