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Digital Foundry: Shadow of the Tomb Raider is a beautiful tech showcase
- Thread starter chadskin
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No, that's not how it works. 1800cb on 4K TV is much better than 900p on 1080p TV. The more pixels there are, the less noticeable it gets. 1080p pixels are already too few so 900p would look so soft, but on a 4K TV, 1800p/cb isn't that bad.
Looks like a great looking game across the board.
Wait, am I missing something?
How did you get the north of 3 million pixels number?
Isn't the pixel density of a 1800cb image a little over 5.7 million pixels on a 4k screen and not north of 3 million pixels (though technically it's a bit higher than 1800 on Pro) since it's 3200x1800, it's why it's so much more effective on a 4k screen as that high a pixel density is being resolved whereas a sub 1080 resolution is worse off with scaling on a 1080p screen.
Wait, am I missing something?
How did you get the north of 3 million pixels number?
Isn't the pixel density of a 1800cb image a little over 5.7 million pixels on a 4k screen and not north of 3 million pixels (though technically it's a bit higher than 1800 on Pro) since it's 3200x1800, it's why it's so much more effective on a 4k screen as that high a pixel density is being resolved whereas a sub 1080 resolution is worse off with scaling on a 1080p screen.
Not sure if you know how checkerboard works, but in the end the reconstructed image has over 6 millions pixels per frame. Over 3 times as much pixels as 1080p (3328x1872 vs 1920x1080). Sure, half of it are native pixels while the others are computed using the checkerboard algorithm, but they are still proper pixels. They still demands resources.
Saying the pro only generates 3 millions pixels is just wrong and a disservice to people who would like to understand this stuff.
I am disappointed: Not even 2160p checkerboard while the previous game (who kinda looked even better than this one according to some comparisons) managed to get that resolution on PS4 Pro. Unless this Resolution mode on PS4 pro (and XB O X) use the highest details hence no third enhanced mode for both.
Edit; I just read the DF comparison. Both newer consoles use 4K textures. which is great. So this is good on PS4 Pro, regardless.
Edit; I just read the DF comparison. Both newer consoles use 4K textures. which is great. So this is good on PS4 Pro, regardless.
I don't think they do. I think it's literally the base console + textures and resolution.
Read the comparison tool wich makes comparisons between all consoles. In the first 2 comaprions, DF mentions that the new consoles use 4K textures and you can clearly see the higher resolution textures on new consoles. Also the XB O X trailer mentions 4K textures too.
Edit: from the article itself:
Edit 2 : On you meant maxed out version like before? I saw just saw you mentioned textures. NVM.
Yeah. I don't think they maxed out the game like the previous one, since there is no third mode for it and espeically that this game only uses 4X anisotropic filtering and PC can go to even ray-traced shadows.
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Hmmm...
Now that you highlighted it. I saw this from this site: https://gearnuke.com/shadow-of-the-tomb-raider-ps4-pro-vs-xbox-one-x-4k-visuals-comparison/
I thought the extra drawing of distant lights was for the XB O X only but the base XBOX has this too. It seems this is a bug on both PS4 consoles so I hope it gets solved.
Yah I meant they maxed textures and res.
I'd take a dynamic mode with higher visuals like ROTTR
Oh, so it was dynamic before the day one patch, and they changed it to a fixed resolution of 3584x2016 on the X when you checked it? Or did NXGamer just make a simple mistake and it wasn't ever dynamic on the X?
Also John, do you know if the PC version supports Dolby Atmos?
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im very surprised how much better this game looks over its predecessor. the last game was rather unimpressive looking and i never understood all the hype around it. it looked like a cross gen launch game to me. this one looks quite good.
This game is doing a lot more rendering wise than the previous.
Hey Alex, quick question.. does the PC version support Dolby Atmos.. or is it just the console versions? Thanks
You even watch the video on a 4K TV? Looks great on Pro (obviously it's better on X) and John said it's a great Pro upgrade. Factor in the more stable framerate and I'm not sure what you're getting at here aside from showing your fanboy colors.
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There is no specific option for it in the menu from what I see, unlike Tobii eye tracking for example. Is it normal to have a separate control for it in PC games you have tried with it? You can choose the dynamic range though between low, medium and High.
Well that is good thing. I didn't believe that much the trolling comparisons pics I saw some time ago.
I'm really not sure. I was hoping you'd be able to find something in the menu about it. I'm not sure if the game "supporting" it means that it needs to be selected, or rather if it just automatically detects if your receiver/headphones are capable?
There's the app in Windows 10 for headphones which supposedly improves positional sound in NON Dolby Atmos supporting media/software.. however games that support built in Atmos get the full experience.
Anyway, it sounds like it might be a Xbox only thing because the only mentions of it I can find always refer to the Xbox version.
I guess we'll know soon enough. Thanks for the response anyway.
Terrific job on the Pro version, pity then i've to much on at the moment. Will grab over the festive period. Nice vid as always John.
Gotta wait for the separate PC video I guess? I really hope VXAO makes a return.
I'm playing Rise at 4K, everything cranked to max (Except AA, I use the SMAA) and locked at 30FPS, 1080ti and 8700k. REALLY hoping this game allows for a similar experience. I do have my PC hooked up a 4K/HDR TV, but I worry about HDR messing up and not playing nice with my desktop/Windows gui.
I'm playing Rise at 4K, everything cranked to max (Except AA, I use the SMAA) and locked at 30FPS, 1080ti and 8700k. REALLY hoping this game allows for a similar experience. I do have my PC hooked up a 4K/HDR TV, but I worry about HDR messing up and not playing nice with my desktop/Windows gui.
They say it was never dynamic. However, I myself was thinking it might be as well initially - it wasn't so clear. You have to understand how difficult to pixel count some games can be. Ultimately, it doesn't matter in this case.
It could also be the specular lighting pass again - which could produce chunkier steps in Rise. I noticed a couple spots where this showed up here as well.
I don't know if PC supports Atmos either.
I would love to check it out directly and do a more indepth a - b comparison in time, but new GPUs and the game supporting it needs to happen first!
Ya, hopefully the RTX patch comes this Sept, it will be really interesting comparing the shadows, personally i wasn't hyped by what Nvidia showed, but an in depth comparison from DF would be cool & maybe sell me on it more.
Just played the first hour on the X. Playing in high-res mode. Fabulous stuff.
And if there were any frame rate, judder or input lag issues I didn't feel them at all. Yes you can measure this stuff for a YT video, but you don't always notice it.
Some of you folks are the Chandler Bing/George Costanza of gaming.
And if there were any frame rate, judder or input lag issues I didn't feel them at all. Yes you can measure this stuff for a YT video, but you don't always notice it.
Some of you folks are the Chandler Bing/George Costanza of gaming.
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Maybe you don't. And that's cool. Good for you. I think I speak for most of the complainers here when I say I would love to not notice any of that. It gives me no pleasure to be completely unable to enjoy something I'd otherwise be interested in due to terrible latency or heavy judder.
I feel like you think we're just mindlessly chasing numbers here, we're really not. 250ish ms input lag is not only noticeable, it's well above the threshold for "completely unplayable" for me.
I'm just happy DF popularized perf analysis videos so that more often than not people like me have this info ahead of time nowadays. It used to be a complete crapshoot.
Im gonna guess it's the engine & all the effects added on to it grants it additional latency, the 360 version of ROTTR with many effects striped out didn't have any latency issues. People bring up the PC version as if it's only a Console issue & not an engine one, but that's a bit irrelevant because PC tends to have lower latency across the board for some reason.
Pc could have a different model of mulithreading. As an example, to increase framerate in TLOU remastered they purposefully induced a frame of latency so they could parallelise things more as single threaded performance was not enough on jaguar.
4K at whatever settings will be fine.
Unless the PC version also suffers from Input lag i think you are more than fine with frames at or around 60.
Just look at the PC version of this game:
While this game is technically super proficient, I can't really shake the feeling that it's some artistic decisions that are keeping it back, in particular the facial characteristics.
The screenshots of Lara's face look extremely crisp with extremely high resolution textures and a high-poly model, but the end result still looks off. She barely looks human with her creaseless, matted, featureless skin and doll's eyes. It's like she rolled off the set of a US TV show with a full makeup crew behind her in a lot of these pictures. I like what they are going for and I guess she's supposed to be supermodel-hot but I feel like they've dialed it up to 11 and it kinda fails to integrate her in the world properly.
While image quality of various cb implementations are not bad, they are noticeably worse compared to native 4k and native lower resolutions.
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I don't expect too much in the shadow department. The show case with RTX on and off were so minor in those few compared shots that it seems to me it's more a reflection thing. The Metro Exodus comparison also wasn't convincing with the 'think what creatures could hide in those shadows' remark, as it wouldn't be possible with HABO+ or VXAO that looked wonderful in Rise. But thinking of the overall performance I'm not too excited about this tech. Maybe in two or three years.
ROTR's checkeboard technique on Pro was really good. Compared to native 4k on PC was worse, but not noticeably. IQ was slightly blurred compared to PC version.
Most of the AAA use their own CBR tech and honestly I never found any of them so terrible how you claim. Sure 4k native is another league but there are cases,The Witcher 3 for example, where IQ is even sharper on ps4 pro with CBR vs the dynamic 4k on the X. That's really impressive considered it's "half of res" of real time pixels on the Pro. And honestly in TR IQ 1800p CBR is far more preferable than lower native 1440p...
I often wondered if Consoles introduce something like pre rendered frames option that Nvidia has to reduce CPU load but increases latency. It could be something like that too.
I hope Shadow doesn't remove VXAO or HBAO+ because of RTX, but that kinda seems like the case. What a shame about VXAO because only 2 games use it.
Wasn't it native 4k on the X aswell ?
That sharpness was due to the fact that it had no post-process anti-aliasing.
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Yes, it was. But i'd referred to Digital Foundry article from almost 2 years ago.
Pretty sure the day 1 patch has them, maybe someone can confirm.
