All of these things appear to be in both versions. Textures are identical, I know, and I couldn't see any noticeable visual difference in shadows or reflections. If there is, it's super ultra subtle.
Digital Foundry: Shadow of the Tomb Raider is a beautiful tech showcase
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Weird, DF specifically recommends not to use performance mode on PS4 Pro because of the inconsistent performance. I guess everyone has a different tolerance for variable frame rates though. It's good that the input lag is improved with the framerate mode though. As someone who played Rise at launch and could definitely feel the input lag - I still reckon I'd take that over inconsistent/stuttering performance personally.
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Xbox one s and og xbox one are the runts of the litter towards the end of this gen.
Way more games do HDR right than wrong.
MHW, Deus Ex and maybe a couple others are the only stinkers.
Omg.
Have some dignity ffs.
Of course it is up there, it's a beautiful game. Art direction is top notch.
... LMAO.
So weird, in promotional videos the visuals did nothing for me but in this analysis I think it looks great.
I'm genuinely shocked about the res mode on pro version. Same assets of the X with vsync considered the less powerful hardware. It's the magic touch of Nixxes again?
That's because John is not a fan of how variable frame rates look, even when they are north of 50FPS on average. However, the input latency is Rise was halved on PS4Pro when played in performance mode, and from the sounds of it, it's going to be the same thing here. It made the game so much easier to play in some scenes when I was playing Rise. Hell, even when halved, we are still talking about 120-140ms latency in 60FPS mode, which is what you get in many 30FPS games. In Shadow, in 30FPS mode, you get 250ms latency on Xbox (and I'm sure it's the same on PS4) in 30FPS modes. That's kind of insane for an action game where you're supposed to aim at things.
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When i commented that, it wasn't confirmed what was the on Pro and X1X ( native, checkerboard or dynamic ). At 1st i was native on both
Neither is X1X locked 60fps. Looks like OP fixed that. That's good!
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Yeah, whoever did it it sounds like a pretty impressive job given the less powerful hardware.
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So let's resume: 1800p CBR vs 1080p is a disappointing upgrade and barely noticeable but 2016p vs 1800p it's such an huge difference. I'm confuse. It's not that first time I listened such contradictory stuff on DF analysis. It seems whatever Pro res boost offers over the base is never enough for them.
Nixxes didn't do the PS4 version of Shadow I don't think. They just did the PC version this time.
Edit - Dammin I read Rise for some weird reason.
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Really? Their website and everything I can find online just says the PC version.
http://www.nixxes.com/newsdetail/20-uk/news/211-news-sotr
When you heard even occasional fps drops and tearing are absolutely fine just to give the nod to the X for the better sharpness, I don't understand why it wasn't the same when happened on base ps4 and where is finished the tech analysis.... It seems the X needs to have the nod in every single their face off. I though the comparison was about talk tech stuff and not to promote a console.
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1800p over 1080p is night and day. It's a huge upgrade. A larger upgrade than 2016p vs 1800p.
My apologies if I misunderstood but that's what I listened in the face off video.
I wouldn't call it minimal, the video shows the image quality being a lot more crisp. Also on the performance mode, the X holds a much more stable FR. Pro seems decent though.
Woof. I got none of this from the video.
I wouldn't pay him any attention.
Great video BTW. You made the game look better than just about any trailer I've seen.
Don't be over dramatic now... there are some games with notable improvement on the X.
I'm really surprised that there's no additional enhancements on the X. It has MS marketing after all. This kind of difference has been the norm though, more or less.
Speaking personally, I find preferable the vsync and more stable fps on the Pro than tearing and fps drops in the more demanding scenes just for the glory of more native pixels on the X. But it's my opinion.
This preview did such a better job at getting across how beautiful the game looks than any of the official previews.
I can't wait for the PC analysis! Will Digital Foundry revisit once the RTX cards are officially out?
I can't wait for the PC analysis! Will Digital Foundry revisit once the RTX cards are officially out?
Thinking about it from a comment earlier, I'm wondering if those event effects were a big contributor to the larger file size for Rise compared to Shadow. I overheard that Shadow is only like 24GB
Oh god no. I hope we move away from pre-rendered cut-scenes as soon as possible in all games. Graphics are good enough now that they aren't necessary, they bloat the size of the game tremendously, and they are fixed in aspect ratio (which sucks for us ultra wide monitor users). On PC version of games they also tend to age so badly. When you go back to a game like say the Batman games which I'm currently doing, the real time game on my PC with all the bells and whistles looks SOOOO much better than those horrible pre-rendered cutscenes.
And hey, that's fine, but the higher resolution mode on X is generally very stable. 95% of the time it's locked where as Pro is locked 98% of the time.
Neither drops often enough to be an issue. Remember - those scenes were selected specifically to highlight issues found across all versions.
Could be. For Rise I googled around and estimates vary from 18gb to 30gb. I don't know who to trust, lol.
I'm talking about the cutscenes in Rise that pre-rendered liquid forms in cutscenes, like rushing water or the avalanche from early on. Those looked incredible and I don't think you can achieve the same thing from real-time.
John actually talks about in one of their articles for RotTR:
and you can see it here:
That is my mistake... I thought you were talking about Rise even when you wrote Shadow lol
The size is unclear as it seems to vary per install in a significant way. My Xbox One X install of Rise is 51gb which is insane and inconsistent with everyone else. Not sure what's up with that. The PC version is under 25gb for sure.
Ahhhhhh, my bad.
Yeah I don't see why not, especially for non interactive effects or assets far away from the character. Especially stuff that requires tons of particles to look good. Makes sense.
Day 1 purchase but I'll be waiting to play until my 2080Ti is on a water-block, which should be at some point the week of the 24th. Can't wait to crank the settings and see some of that RTX goodness. I was a fan of the predecessor and that had some amazing moments in terms of visuals.
That's nuts! I'm wondering if you're forced to keep both the regular Xbox One assets as well as the Xbox One X enhanced assets too. That'd be the only way that file size would make sense.
I see. Yeah, had it not been CB on pro the difference would be indeed very small.
That's because 1800cb is a disappointing upgrade, it's on the north of 3 million pixels when 1080p is 2 million pixels. And on top of that there's upscaling from the same proportion xbone has going from 900p to 1080p.
Proportionally speaking the pro performance on this game on a 4k TV is much worse than xbone on a 1080p one.