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Deleted member 17207

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Except they did release Captain Toad on the Switch the same date as the 3DS.

It's also worth pointing out that developing for the Switch first doesn't magically keep the budget the same; HD asset development takes time and, therefore, money. Samus Returns was obviously used to judge if the Metroid market still exists; a lower budget is favorable for such a game. Likewise, Luigi's Mansion probably wouldn't be being remade at all right now if they had to do it in HD.

You can't just ignore that most of the 3DS games Nintendo is still publishing are low-budget games, many of which are using existing engines (FE, BiS, and Luigi's Mansion all had capable engines before development began). That likely played a large part in getting the projects greenlit to begin with.
Fair enough, good point. I suppose if Nintendo is able to make money by spending less money on smaller games for 3DS, that's not a big deal.

But it doesn't change that so many of these games are desired on Switch too, and in the long-run would likely sell better there. A lot of people like to flex the "install base" argument, but as others have already pointed out, how many of those 3DS are sitting somewhere with a layer of dust on them? Not just because they've been supplanted by Switch owners, but because people just don't play 3DS anymore because it's pretty dated. I wouldn't even be surprised if more people were playing GBA than 3DS at the moment because it's aged better and it's retro goodness.

As much as Nintendo might be making easy money there right now, it's only a matter of time before those sales dry up in favour of Switch sales, especially as Switch sales rise. As soon as Pokemon fans migrate over for instance, that'll be a huge well dried up I think. It'd be good for them to do a smooth transition and start putting games on both I think. Not to mention, while you're right in that these games cost less, they'd make even more money by putting them on both platforms, and it wouldn't cost a lot to downport them to 3DS after HD development for Switch either (at least I imagine).
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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That's not true about EOX. It had a better debut than EO1, EO2, EOU2, and both of the Mystery Dungeon spin-off titles. It sold about 20%-25% less than EO4 & EO5. It had a 90% sell-through rate (aka, they practically sold out their entire stock). For a game that's basically a Greatest Hits compilation and not a major sequel, it did just fine.

Ppl are doing everything they can to undermine every game that is coming to the 3DS. It's not worth throwing facts to a poster who thought the 3DS library was trash and it only receiving scraps
 

Gobias-Ind

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You're the one bringing Nintendo to the mix as a savior. No one did that but you. If you think poor workers isn't a market then you are lying to yourself

And if you think poor workers are the people buying WarioWare Gold and Luigi's Mansion Remastered at $40 you're lying to yourself and trying to use people's real problems as a cudgel in a dumb argument about video games.
 

Dreamboum

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And if you think poor workers are the people buying WarioWare Gold and Luigi's Mansion Remastered at $40 you're lying to yourself and trying to use people's real problems as a cudgel in a dumb argument about video games.

A 2DS and Wario Ware wouldn't cost me half of the price of the switch. Poor ppl aren't just eating bread, mate. The 3DS is always going to be a better proposition despite nintendo's never dropping in price. The 3DS reaches a wider market that included a wider range of people.

Everyone knows Bintendo is out to get a profit, you can also consider that rhe circumstances of an aging console means it is more affordable to some people and its continued existence means it remains a viable alternative that isn't abandoned yet
 

jts

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"3DS successor is a possibility" is the new "DS is a third pillar"

Of course then we can get down to philosophy when a cheaper Nintendo console is released to fill in the price void left by the 3DS, it may even have a gimmick of its own and people will go "see?? this is the 3DS successor". Whatever it will be, it will share development environment and games library with the Switch. Nintendo hasn't even started to play with Iwata's idea of a family of devices.
 

StereoVSN

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Nov 1, 2017
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Are you still stuck on an OG 3DS? You should really get a New 2DS XL, like right now.

You are aware that Etrian Odyssey X just topped the Japanese charts right? That's the primary market for Persona Q2 too.
Define topped. It's one of the worst selling EO games. They sold what 70K copies? I believe the only worse selling ones were the first two DS games and Untold 2 Remake.

This is Japan in July/August of 2018. Now imagine US/EU in July/August in 2019 for PQ2. Again, software sales have tanked and its silly to bind something like PQ2 which actually has potential to sell in the West to 3DS which will have non-existent software sales in 2019.
 

StereoVSN

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Nov 1, 2017
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If PQ2 sells 100,000 copies, even if it's less than the sells from PQ, it would be better than almost every EO games. Maybe bomb in the west, but in Japan? I don't think so.

I think people should calm down. The 3DS is in life support right now.
It's going to be interesting to see PQ sales. I suspect less then 100K personally. And forget anything in the West as those sales will be not there at all.
 

Hieroph

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Oct 28, 2017
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No, I owned an OG 3DS and was absolutely disappointed by its build quality and comfort. I sold it as soon as the 3DS XL released (non New). It's still not ideal but it was good enough. I don't see the point in getting a newer one now, I'm basically done with the 3DS.

Well if you're calling your old system old and uncomfortable, New 2DS XL is your solution. It's super sleek and super comfortable in your hands.
 

Devil

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're much more likely to play touchscreen based minigames by smearing your screen with your fingers in an uncomfortable way ?

How is holding the switch with one hand and tapping it with the other a better solution ? I'd be scared to break the joycond from its railing if I tap too much.

I don't get this argument. A Wario Ware game for Switch would obviously be developed to fit the Switch's strenghts and weaknesses and wouldn't be a carbon copy of what the game has become as a 3DS game.

Well if you're calling your old system old and uncomfortable, New 2DS XL is your solution. It's super sleek and super comfortable in your hands.

It's still the same system with a bad screen, resolution and without 3D, why would I pay money just to eliminate the comfort problem? As I said before, my XL was good enough, but it has never been the best system to me and it has further lost attraction since I own a Switch. My comment you are referring to was in context of me owning a newer and better system now.
 

DaveLong

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Nov 2, 2017
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Nintendo has had a two-tier strategy to game consoles since the Game Boy debuted. Game Boy was the super affordable option for smaller children and those who enjoyed gaming on the go while NES/SNES was the more expensive home-based system. There is no reason to disrupt this strategy with Switch until the market determines that necessary, which it may never do.

People like cheaper options that are still quality options. 3DS is exactly that.
 

dead souls

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope we get a DS/3DS successor, just to see how people react.

Probably wouldn't be a good business move, but would be a good move for forum drama.

Personally 3DS and Switch feel pretty different to me. I find the Switch wildly uncomfortable in handheld mode so it stays docked 100% of the time. If I want to game anywhere other than in front of the TV I can work on my 3DS backlog.
 

Imitatio

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I need the 3DS to stay relevant just so I can switch between it, the also still ongoing Vita and the PS4 as my secondary consoles that compliment my Switch and its library when I'm bored.
 

SPRidley

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Oct 25, 2017
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3ds time has come and gone. My last game is going to be wario world gold, but thats still begrudginly.
Wario Ware is selling badly sadly and thr remake of luigis mansion is not going to sell well either sadly.

I still have the expansions of shovel knight in that system not being played (apart from the first one) because i dont play that mucj with the 3ds anymore. Even to the point of thinking of buying shovel knight treasure trove for switch.
 

Devil

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Probably wouldn't be a good business move, but would be a good move for forum drama.

Personally 3DS and Switch feel pretty different to me. I find the Switch wildly uncomfortable in handheld mode so it stays docked 100% of the time. If I want to game anywhere other than in front of the TV I can work on my 3DS backlog.

I had issues with the Switch in handheld mode too, at first. Have you tried joycon cases? I just got some cheap ones for 7€ which have a bulge at the back. These bulges made a night and day difference for me. It gives a much better grip than the completely flat Switch and joycons do on their own.
 

Maxximus

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I still love my 3DS. It is so easy to grab and go. While the Switch is portable, the 3DS is pocketable and that makes all the difference to me.

Also, dual screen gaming is amazing. Having inventory, menus, and maps always up while you play is the best feature ever.

I really hope Nintendo makes a 3DS successor, or a pocketable clamshell Switch.
 

Duxxy3

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Oct 27, 2017
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Probably wouldn't be a good business move, but would be a good move for forum drama.

Personally 3DS and Switch feel pretty different to me. I find the Switch wildly uncomfortable in handheld mode so it stays docked 100% of the time. If I want to game anywhere other than in front of the TV I can work on my 3DS backlog.

I dunno about that first part.

The Switch ignores a large portion of the handheld market that wants something more portable. Wants something that's cheap. So that portion of the market will stick with the 3DS, wait for a new switch, or go to mobile.
 

Omegasquash

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Oct 31, 2017
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3DS is sized right for me (N3DS, not the XL, but I'll get the XL eventually if/when mine craps out). It's got a big library of games.

Switch is fan-flipping-tastic. Still wouldn't bring it on the commute, but for vacations or maybe a plane ride...sure.

If they're both money makers, I don't see much reason in making a change.
 

Imitatio

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Feb 19, 2018
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I dunno about that first part.

The Switch ignores a large portion of the handheld market that wants something more portable. Wants something that's cheap. So that portion of the market will stick with the 3DS, wait for a new switch, or go to mobile.
I'd rather agree with the aspect 'being cheap / affordable'. We don't have a solid clue about how big the market is that wants something more portable. With the ever-growing smartphones (in terms of sizes) I'd actually suggest the opposite but even that's no solid foundation to argue on.
 

aerie

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I've recently gotten back into playing my 3DS, having picked up Wario Ware Gold, Pokemon Moon (i'm rather late to this one), and Samus Returns. The article is right, the system still has quite a bit of life left in it and is a nice cheaper alternative, or great for younger audiences.

I plan on grabbing Strange Journey Redux (even though i still own the DS version, i'm dumb), and am looking forward to finally playing Radiant Historia having never gotten around to playing the original.

The 3DS seems to be enjoying a fairly long and fruitful swansong.
 

Mr. Capo

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Oct 26, 2017
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All I care about is WarioWare Gold and both EO-style games (EOX and PQ2) at this point. I thought I was done with the system but it's good to see that its going out with a bang.
 

Hieroph

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's still the same system with a bad screen, resolution and without 3D, why would I pay money just to eliminate the comfort problem?

You see, when you say that things like comfort are the reason why you aren't buying Wario Ware, but there's a system out there that fixes the comfort issue and more, that just sounds like an excuse.

It's fine to say that you don't like to play on 3DS and that's why you won't be getting Wario Ware, but going from that to saying that 3DS shouldn't get Wario Ware just because you aren't playing on the system is self-entitled and ridiculous. It's basically the same argument that Schreier was making and it doesn't get any better when people repeat it.
 

Heromanz

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have no reason to play a 3D s, itihurts t hands and the screen sucks. So it's kind of lame Nintendo supports a old handheld
 

takriel

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Well yeah, the reason being that Nintendo can make easy money off of it. But there's no good reason for the growing number of Switch owners.
 

Arthands

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Those games might not even be made for any machines if 3DS doesn't exist or isn't alive now. Ironic people were crying about 3DS having no good games at the beginning of its life, and now people are crying that 3DS have too much good games.
 

Kcannon

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People should look at Wario Ware Gold awful japanese sales before saying "3DS is making lots of money"


They would basically go out of business failing to juggle 2 systems (they can't) and the PR nightmare. There's no 3DS successor, Pokémon is going to Switch.

Didn't a 3DS game top that chart?

And it sold over twice as much as Gold too. 3DS even had a bigger increase than the Switch.
 
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takriel

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Those games might not even be made for any machines if 3DS doesn't exist or isn't alive now. Ironic people were crying about 3DS having no good games at the beginning of its life, and now people are crying that 3DS have too much good games.
How is that ironic? There's a sexy 720p handheld with much more power available vs. very limited 240p handheld.
 

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I'd play my 3DS forever, in fact I probably will already with it's amazing library between two consoles.
 

Dragonyeuw

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Right now, the 3ds can access hundreds of classic NES, SNES, GBA, Game Gear and 3d sega titles. Unless and until Nintendo carries that catalog over to Switch( and my hopes are lowering by the month), the 3ds will continue to be viable in my gaming rotation. I much prefer to grab that quickly when I'm on the go than my Switch. My 'portable' Switch experience is mostly playing it lying in bed while my wife watches Netflix.
 

Mr.Deadshot

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It's a way better handheld than the Switch when you actually take it with you on travels or work. It fits in a pocket. Switch is way too big for that.

Also it has an amazing library of games especially when you also count NDS games.
 

sugarmonkey

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Oct 27, 2017
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I sold my Switch. I just didn't like how big it was, and never found it comfortable to game with when it was undocked. The 3DS just feels better in my hands, and is more comfortable for me to play over an extended amount of time.
 

Hieroph

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But there's no good reason for the growing number of Switch owners.

What about the growing number of 3DS owners?

Asking 3DS to get less games because of game envy is the stupidest thing ever. If you want to play 3DS games, get a 3DS (or upgrade your old one). And if you don't want to do that, fine, but don't whine non-stop about it.

TLDR: You need a 3DS to play some games. Deal with it.
 

Ocean

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Hey, if a dev wants to publish a game on PS2 (like EA did with its FIFA titles up until like 2 years ago), or on 3DS, or any other legacy platforms, that's really up to them. If they keep doing it it's because they're making money, and if they're making money, it's because there's a customer base out there who wants this stuff.
 

Deleted member 6730

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Honestly the complaints of the screen are seriously overblown. Yeah it's 240p but it originally came out in 2011 and is also a gaming device which means games are going to sip up a lot of battery so cutting back on resolution was probably a smart move. Yeah, the battery life on the original 3DS wasn't good, but hey it could've been worse. I think it only looks bad because all the screenshots are blown up with all the aliasing it entails but on my original 3.5 inch screen it looks fine, hell some games look great.
 

takriel

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What about the growing number of 3DS owners?

Asking 3DS to get less games because of game envy is the stupidest thing ever. If you want to play 3DS games, get a 3DS (or upgrade your old one). And if you don't want to do that, fine, but don't whine non-stop about it.

TLDR: You need a 3DS to play some games. Deal with it.
And I'm fine with that. But big new releases à la Metroid should be on the Switch, as well.
 

SkoomaBlade

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This whole thing is interesting because I don't remember any sort of similar backlash against continued PS2 games production after the release of the PS3.
 

Metallix87

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What about the growing number of 3DS owners?

Asking 3DS to get less games because of game envy is the stupidest thing ever. If you want to play 3DS games, get a 3DS (or upgrade your old one). And if you don't want to do that, fine, but don't whine non-stop about it.

TLDR: You need a 3DS to play some games. Deal with it.
No one wants 3DS to get less games, they want Switch to also get these games.
 

Metallix87

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Someone a few posts above literally said 'it's time to move on'
come on now
Realistically, it is time to move on, but it's understandable why Nintendo isn't completely abandoning ship. The 3DS is basically only going to be able to stick around until the Switch drops in price a bit, which could happen as early as next year. As long as Nintendo is still putting software out for it, though, that software should be on both platforms.
 

Echo

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People say the 3DS is archaic, but it's the only system out right now which lets me see cool 3D things without strapping an HMD to my face.

I really like that and hope the 3D effect doesn't die with this system. :(

Not that I have anything against VR, actually I quite like it in small bursts, but still...
 

sugarmonkey

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Realistically, it is time to move on, but it's understandable why Nintendo isn't completely abandoning ship. The 3DS is basically only going to be able to stick around until the Switch drops in price a bit, which could happen as early as next year. As long as Nintendo is still putting software out for it, though, that software should be on both platforms.

Where are you getting this information that the 3DS isn't going to stick around (support from Nintendo) once the Switch gets a price drop early next year. I would love to see the source.
 

Metallix87

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Where are you getting this information that the 3DS isn't going to stick around (support from Nintendo) once the Switch gets a price drop early next year. I would love to see the source.
Aren't we running on the logic in this thread that the 3DS is still living on as a budget option? The source is the fucking thrust of the article.
 

ZeoVGM

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Nice article. It's completely immature, especially given the majority of the games people complain about.

Luigi's Mansion: A remake of a GameCube game that uses the engine from the 3DS sequel
Mario & Luigi: A remake that uses the engine from the previous M&L remake
WarioWare: A mini-game compilation

Could they also make these games for Switch? Of course. And they absolutely thought about it. But they looked at it from a business perspective. There is no magic button that simply creates the same game for Switch. It requires a larger budget, it requires more development resources. On top of that, expectations would be different. Samus Returns would rightfully be expected to look better on the Switch.

If they thought it would make financial sense to have these "smaller" games be on both or just on Switch, they would do it. But they don't think it would so they're not.

3DS is one of the best consoles ever released. Just get one and play the long list of great games.
 

sugarmonkey

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Aren't we running on the logic in this thread that the 3DS is still living on as a budget option? The source is the fucking thrust of the article.

So it's conjecture. Got it. I'm sorry that upset you, but it's tiring reading posts making statements that sound like they have sources to back up what ends up being the persons opinion. I don't think there is anything wrong with asking for a source for what you wrote.
 

Jaypah

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I guess it's my fault for assuming Nintendo was going to focus development efforts on the Switch thus covering both the handheld and console side. Honestly I thought it was kind of the point from their perspective. I certainly didn't think a new WarioWare would come out at this point and be 3DS exclusive. Sucks because I love that franchise but I'm not about to get another 3DS to play it.
 

Metallix87

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So it's conjecture. Got it. I'm sorry that upset you, but it's tiring reading posts making statements that sound like they have sources to back up what ends up being the persons opinion. I don't think there is anything wrong with asking for a source for what you wrote.
Again, the source is the article, unless you're going to say that the reason the 3DS is getting some semblance of support, despite these games routinely bombing, is something other than the thesis of the article. Essentially, you're not providing anything to the discussion by saying "Yeah, well, you can't prove that!" No fucking shit, but it's still the most likely possibility given the data we have, and also what this thread is about, so why are you bothering to argue it without a better alternative?