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Will you upgrade your SSD on your PS5 and/or Xbox Series S/X sooner rather than later to avoid wear on the internal drive?
- Thread starter Darknight
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No concerns here. Will, maybe, expand the PS5 memory in 1 or 2 years when the prices are lower. I survided an entire generation with a 400GB of free space on PS4, i can survive another generation with 600GB of free space on a PS5 if i decide to not expand.
If I thought SSD failure was that much of an issue id just make sure to buy the mid gen refresh of these consoles.
I'm not worried about a failing SSD at all, in all honesty, the prospect seems a bit blown out of proportion. With the amount of use and abuse the SSD's I currently have with no issues over the years, yeah, can't say I'm worried about it.
My external purchase will be purely based on adding more convenience.
My external purchase will be purely based on adding more convenience.
I've had a 1TB SSD in my PS4 since the day of launch in 2013, which I then migrated over to the Pro the day that came out. Used the consoles for gaming and media most days in that time and it's still super fast.. you don't need to worry about SSD wear.
Drive wear is a complete and total non issue for a gaming console.
Even things like that, which are not very intensive on a drive, most players will never do. Typical user will just download a game, play it, forget it, and then delete it if they need space later.
Even things like that, which are not very intensive on a drive, most players will never do. Typical user will just download a game, play it, forget it, and then delete it if they need space later.
SSD's are longer lasting than mechanical drives to begin with, and have wear-leveling built in. I don't think it should be a huge concern for most people.
Darknight OP.
The PS5 on board nand storage is just as likely to die just as any other on board nand storage.
Keep in mind SSDs don't have moving parts so they don't wear out over time like a magnetic disc based drive will (HDD). A SSD's longevity is determined by how many writes you do them over the lifetime of the device.
For example the primary NVMe drive in my PC is a Samsung 970 Evo Plus, which has a failure tolerance of 600 TBW (That's 600 Terabytes written) this means I'd have to write 600 terabytes roughly before the drive starts to deteriorate and fail.
I built this PC back May of 2019, so I just over a year and half now and you want to know how much data I've written to my drive so far. 7.7TB written in over a year an half of heavy use daily and it's lifespan is rated at 600TB. That's 1.2% out of its maximum potential writes and with continued use at the same rate would take 15 years to hit 77 terabytes written, let alone the drives rated longevity of 600...
The failure tolerances for SSDs are by far much much higher than typical magnetic storage / HDDs.
Folks are having bit too much concern over a technology that has been proven reliable and existed for many years now.
By the time SSD in a PS5 dies from normal usage you would have likely moved on to a PlayStation 6 at that point. In fact the more moving mechanical parts like the consoles fan or disc drive are more likely to fail before the SSD ever will.
The PS5 on board nand storage is just as likely to die just as any other on board nand storage.
Keep in mind SSDs don't have moving parts so they don't wear out over time like a magnetic disc based drive will (HDD). A SSD's longevity is determined by how many writes you do them over the lifetime of the device.
For example the primary NVMe drive in my PC is a Samsung 970 Evo Plus, which has a failure tolerance of 600 TBW (That's 600 Terabytes written) this means I'd have to write 600 terabytes roughly before the drive starts to deteriorate and fail.
I built this PC back May of 2019, so I just over a year and half now and you want to know how much data I've written to my drive so far. 7.7TB written in over a year an half of heavy use daily and it's lifespan is rated at 600TB. That's 1.2% out of its maximum potential writes and with continued use at the same rate would take 15 years to hit 77 terabytes written, let alone the drives rated longevity of 600...
The failure tolerances for SSDs are by far much much higher than typical magnetic storage / HDDs.
Folks are having bit too much concern over a technology that has been proven reliable and existed for many years now.
By the time SSD in a PS5 dies from normal usage you would have likely moved on to a PlayStation 6 at that point. In fact the more moving mechanical parts like the consoles fan or disc drive are more likely to fail before the SSD ever will.
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I've had SSDs since 2009 (good old Samsung SLC drives, anyone remembers these?)
I probably have more than 20 SSDs in general, ranging from 64GB to 4TB. Only one of them failed (Sandisk 128GB) and that was because of the crappy onboard controller.
My PS4 Pro has a 1TB Samsung SSD (850 Evo) for almost two years now and I've had zero issues. I always tend to have more than 200GB free space though in order for it to "breath".
I don't think anyone will manage to wear out these SSDs found in the PS5 and Xbox Series S and X to the point that you'll notice a performance drop. Of course, if you completely fill it up you lose some performance, as you do with every SSD.
I probably have more than 20 SSDs in general, ranging from 64GB to 4TB. Only one of them failed (Sandisk 128GB) and that was because of the crappy onboard controller.
My PS4 Pro has a 1TB Samsung SSD (850 Evo) for almost two years now and I've had zero issues. I always tend to have more than 200GB free space though in order for it to "breath".
I don't think anyone will manage to wear out these SSDs found in the PS5 and Xbox Series S and X to the point that you'll notice a performance drop. Of course, if you completely fill it up you lose some performance, as you do with every SSD.
How quaint.
I had this concern too when i started using ssd 7 years ago, but having run a software test on it and finding it in 99% health, I'm no longer concerned.
If a 7 year old ssd can be that good, I imagine today's nvme ssd would be made with even better preservative measures.
I had this concern too when i started using ssd 7 years ago, but having run a software test on it and finding it in 99% health, I'm no longer concerned.
If a 7 year old ssd can be that good, I imagine today's nvme ssd would be made with even better preservative measures.
My oldest SSD is close to 8 years old and I still have it in use with no problem on my PC. It has been formatted several times as I have done rebuilds of my PC over the years and never had a issue. OP does not seem to know how SSD's work and what the typical lifespan is for these devices. Someone called this "fud" the thread and was right.
I'm still running my Samsung SSD 5+ years later without a single issue. I imagine the ones in the new consoles will be more than adequate to last a very long time.
I am hoping that I'll never need to add another drive (SSD or not) and get super fast on BC games and optimised ones. I only ever have 1 or 2 AAA games going at a time, plus of course some indies installed that I tend to leave there. I have GamePass will will install a bunch but likely delete them if they suck and certainly remove them when I've completed them.
I am hoping that I'll never need to add another drive (SSD or not) and get super fast on BC games and optimised ones. I only ever have 1 or 2 AAA games going at a time, plus of course some indies installed that I tend to leave there. I have GamePass will will install a bunch but likely delete them if they suck and certainly remove them when I've completed them.
Yep. Folks would need to go out of there way to beyond abusive level to do as much downloads and writes to the console in 5 year period to kill it within the typical window of a consoles given life span.
At 600TBW that would be roughly 328 GB a day, every single day, over a 5 year period.
600,000,000,000,000 / 1825 (365 Days X 5) = 328GB. (Actually the number is 328,767,123,287) but rounding to the nearest tenth.
Absolutely no one is going to be doing constant 328GB writes every single day to their console over over a 5 year period which is the typical console length lifespan.
This is such a non-issue to a ridiculous level. There is being concerned and then there is creating FUD.
I am heavily contemplating getting that 1TB Series X drive. I refuse to play my Xbox One games on anything but the new SSD, and I have 1.5TB full right now on my One X, so I'll definitely need it unless I cut back on my installed games which I really don't want to do.
Edit: as for the wear on SSD, modern SSDs last much longer than older ones, so 8m not worried about that at all. If anything, Sony/Microsoft might just replace it for you if it ever becomes an issue. Hopefully SSDs will be so cheap by the time this becomes an issue that your measly 1TB internal drive won't matter anymore.
Edit: as for the wear on SSD, modern SSDs last much longer than older ones, so 8m not worried about that at all. If anything, Sony/Microsoft might just replace it for you if it ever becomes an issue. Hopefully SSDs will be so cheap by the time this becomes an issue that your measly 1TB internal drive won't matter anymore.
i'll start thinking about it once i start hitting capacity. long term i'll have FIFA, and madden installed, maybe warzone , apex .. and then just deal game to game / which ever other game i'm currently playing
Wow. Not sure if this is related to the subject, but I wonder if this is why Gamecards for the Switch are read-only, & not read & write like with the majority of cartridges from the 80's & 90's.
Not worried at all and I'll upgrade later....neither console should have issues with their SSDs.
I am absolutely not worried about the internal SSD wear. These are the latest and greatest SSDs. It's a pretty unfounded concern really.
I want to expand the storage space at sometime though, yes.
I want to expand the storage space at sometime though, yes.
This really shouldn't be a problem as consoles mostly read from the SSD and don't write to it often at all. I'll definitely wait till there are larger (> 2 TB) and cheaper alternatives for additional storage available, especially with the proprietary SSD of the Xbox Series X. Until then I'll use a large external drive to shuffle games around if necessary.
It's a chip, not a physical drive with moving parts like current consoles. 'Wear' isn't really an issue outside your head.
If y'all want something to be worried about, these types of hard drives can actually lose data if they are unplugged for a very long time.
If y'all want something to be worried about, these types of hard drives can actually lose data if they are unplugged for a very long time.
To all the people concerned about wear: how are these current generation systems doing? All your PS4s and XBOs run on mechanical drives that are waaay more prone to failure than SSDs. How many hard drives actually died on you in the last 7 years?
The kind of data you may lose is easily recoverable and cloud saves will be available for pretty much everyone, so whatever happens...
It does make sense if the internal drive is simply small and you think it's worth expanding, indeed.
This is most likely a non issue as you will not write so much data to your internal disk. You will also read more than you write.
What is the typical attach rate for a console user? Something like ten games? Let's say it's 20 for simple math and let's say it's 100gb per game, then that's 2tb of written data. Let's say we have a lot of patches that, for whatever reason, doubles that. 4tb. Add another 2tb because for whatever reason you install every game twice during the SSD lifespan. Then you end up with 6tb written. A typical SSD has something like 300tbw nowadays. So that's like 2% of the tbw...
What is the typical attach rate for a console user? Something like ten games? Let's say it's 20 for simple math and let's say it's 100gb per game, then that's 2tb of written data. Let's say we have a lot of patches that, for whatever reason, doubles that. 4tb. Add another 2tb because for whatever reason you install every game twice during the SSD lifespan. Then you end up with 6tb written. A typical SSD has something like 300tbw nowadays. So that's like 2% of the tbw...
Bought a 1TB Samsung 980 Pro nvme for the PS5. If it doesn't work I'll use on my pc for additional storage