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WandaVision | Paul Bettany is in this | Fridays on Disney+
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White vision in the comics have no emotions. He knows right from wrong, but he doesn't emote.
He is a sophisticated robot, but arguably without a human side.
That was.. amazing.
Me before: MCU can be cool and fun but the formulaic nature means it's just surfing on a surface of one liners.
Me after this episode: Visibly shaken
It was possibly the best episode. At least the one that grounded the entire series in real human emotion. So much character building, so much more meat and substance to the relationships of Wanda's life.
Me before: MCU can be cool and fun but the formulaic nature means it's just surfing on a surface of one liners.
Me after this episode: Visibly shaken
It was possibly the best episode. At least the one that grounded the entire series in real human emotion. So much character building, so much more meat and substance to the relationships of Wanda's life.
I don't buy Agnes being well intentioned here. She has the ability to act like a vampire to other magic users judging by the opening. She's pissed she's using it for goofy and petty means. She wants the power for herself.
Probably to try and justify his reasoning for trying to kill Wanda without it getting out that he was the likely cause of all of this happening because he didn't let Wanda bury Vision in a "I've got to tie up all loose ends" way
edit: I gotta say, that was a goddamn good episode. Paul Bettany and Elizabeth Olsen *chefs kiss*
Don't worry I'm sure there'll be pages of 'nuttin happened' from folks who were edging themselves as they waited for their pet theory to be confirmed then nothing lol
Don't worry I'm sure there'll be pages of 'nuttin happened' from folks who were edging themselves as they waited for their pet theory to be confirmed then nothing lol
I mean all he showed was her breaking the door open. Which she did. He just conveniently left out the part where she left peacefully and drove away afterwards.
In the meantime, Monica and Fietro are just hanging out in the backyard lol
I didn't mind the exposition (a bit slow, but necessary if you don't get comic info online) and actually like the fact that this whole bubble was just created by wanda out of grief. Hope the ending still has some trick up its sleeve!
(last scene on a set was weird though)
I didn't mind the exposition (a bit slow, but necessary if you don't get comic info online) and actually like the fact that this whole bubble was just created by wanda out of grief. Hope the ending still has some trick up its sleeve!
(last scene on a set was weird though)
Any chance by the end of it Agatha will become Wanda's tutor like in the comics or has that ship sailed?
It's really not. This repetitive exposition has been the hallmark of the Sword side with Darcy and the cop. It's nothing new to this episode at all.
White Vision is basically a rebuilt Vision except he's an emotionless robot, because a prominent Marvel writer though robots shouldn't have emotions or some bullshit like that and he also hated the Scarlet Witch/Vision pairing.
Basically, the Agatha cult scene establishes that Agatha is a centuries-old literal Salem witch.
Thinking about it...I agree with your take.
I still don't know if I'm getting on with how they're handling Wanda, though.
It seems like they're setting up The Scarlet Witch to be a special title/power set, which actually does come from the comics (where Wanda's mother was also a Scarlet Witch)
Everything that happens here we were either already told about, or we inferred. The solid character work done in a couple of the scenes did not require riding the misery trolley through Wanda's memory in the most inelegant way possible.
Honestly, this episode seems like they wanted to go from point A to B, and could not figure out an elegant way to do it, so they souped up the sads to cover.
Nah this was a legit bad episode.
This all being Wanda is is WONDERFUL. It is better than some of the contrived bullshit people were speculating because some comics did a thing once.
I liked the episode. Exposition heavy, but it was worth it for the Wanda & Visions scenes. I swear, if they make Wanda kill Vision again, that would be extra cruel.
Though I bet what happens is Hex Vision's "soul" gets put into White Vision's body at the end. (And I was right that Hex Vision was the part of Vision that was within Wanda the whole time.)
Also, the whole "we've put him back together hundreds of times" reference proves that Hayward did manipulate Wanda into breaking down. He knew showing her Vision all chopped up like that would push her over the edge. No whether this is something he devised on his own, or had help, is another story.
Though I bet what happens is Hex Vision's "soul" gets put into White Vision's body at the end. (And I was right that Hex Vision was the part of Vision that was within Wanda the whole time.)
Also, the whole "we've put him back together hundreds of times" reference proves that Hayward did manipulate Wanda into breaking down. He knew showing her Vision all chopped up like that would push her over the edge. No whether this is something he devised on his own, or had help, is another story.
i was squinting into that light too like, "ok what I'm seeing in there looks awesome "
Honestly find it really dumb if they teased the multiverse twice just for both times to be a fake out. More so when you bring an X-Men from another franchise. It being fake is so much less interesting.
Darcy's entire character - both here and in the Thor films - was to be the comedic relief that dropped exposition. It's still a tad clunky, but at least it felt organic when she was doing it. Literally stopping after every flashback to go "okay, so, your parents died, your brother died, and then Vision died" is just unnecessary. You just showed us a five minute flashback, we don't need Agatha to walk over and summarize what just happened in it.
Shit, folks in this thread were praising last week's reveal because they handled the exposition dump in a funny way with a silly song rather than a laborious monologue, now we're all in support of the laborious monologue?
Criticism of a thing you like isn't blind hatred, y'all. We've spent the last seven weeks hyping up this show, and now one episode doesn't hit the spot for everyone and we're dropping ad-hominem shade? Let's not get "Star Wars thread" up in here.
That was an awesome episode. I legit don't understand people.
We got a deep dive into Wanda's trauma, and each scene was really emotional and heartfelt. Elizabeth Olson has been killing it with Wanda, and I'm never going to view her scenes in AoU, CW, IW and Endgame the same again.
These are the types of things that we'd love to have gotten since her debut into the MCU, but, naturally, there's only so much you can fit into an ensemble film.
Wanda's story is sad and tragic, and the show still isn't framing her as a bad guy, just someone suffering from severe trauma and grief she has never really processed and worked through. This show is awesome, and while I never disliked Wanda or Vision in the earlier films, this show has most certainly made me love them even more.
That post credits was awesome, and I can't wait for next week.
Also, we were bound to get an exposition episode, and the penultimate one is a good place to put it, so the final 40 minutes can focus on resolution of this particular conflict (while setting up future conflict, of course). The way in which the exposition was handled was fine as well, and done in a way that not only kept the tone, but had really touching emotional beats.
Anyone who has suffered through loss, especially a tragic and unexpected loss, can understand how Wanda could go to such a dark place.
Also, Hayward is such a dick.
One more episode! I am so stoked!
We got a deep dive into Wanda's trauma, and each scene was really emotional and heartfelt. Elizabeth Olson has been killing it with Wanda, and I'm never going to view her scenes in AoU, CW, IW and Endgame the same again.
These are the types of things that we'd love to have gotten since her debut into the MCU, but, naturally, there's only so much you can fit into an ensemble film.
Wanda's story is sad and tragic, and the show still isn't framing her as a bad guy, just someone suffering from severe trauma and grief she has never really processed and worked through. This show is awesome, and while I never disliked Wanda or Vision in the earlier films, this show has most certainly made me love them even more.
That post credits was awesome, and I can't wait for next week.
Also, we were bound to get an exposition episode, and the penultimate one is a good place to put it, so the final 40 minutes can focus on resolution of this particular conflict (while setting up future conflict, of course). The way in which the exposition was handled was fine as well, and done in a way that not only kept the tone, but had really touching emotional beats.
Anyone who has suffered through loss, especially a tragic and unexpected loss, can understand how Wanda could go to such a dark place.
Also, Hayward is such a dick.
One more episode! I am so stoked!
So sweet and cute. I loved the legit laugh from Vision at the end, he didn't make fun of Wanda's sitcom or not understand it, he jived with it.
I think the point is she didn't care that much to be accurate and plus she said herself illusions are hard
Honestly, to me the first scene where she tells "teach me!" to the other witches, and they ignore her, sounds like could be good seeding for Wanda asking Agatha the same thing, and Agatha actually accepting. They'll fight, no doubt, but I hope that's the outcome.
So it's all a bit on the nose but I still realllly liked the episode. Felt really juicy. Love that we're going into magic territory instead of science mutant dna.
Like yes everyone predicted this and had eight weeks and SOURCE MATERIAL to base their predictions on but I dunno... I can still appreciate Wanda's story. That's what this was always all about.
This angry disappointment happens with EVERY episodic mystery suspense cliffhanger show... except Lost I guess which I haven't seen because I know how batshit crazy they go.
Also this was one of Marvel's first TV shows. Leading the audience off the trail of the plot is an art. They'll get a hang of eventually. But I dunno, I said it in this thread before, some of y'all were getting way to crazy with your theories haha. But that's all part of the fun I guess.
Anyway this was the first episode I felt compelled to watch again immediately.
Like yes everyone predicted this and had eight weeks and SOURCE MATERIAL to base their predictions on but I dunno... I can still appreciate Wanda's story. That's what this was always all about.
This angry disappointment happens with EVERY episodic mystery suspense cliffhanger show... except Lost I guess which I haven't seen because I know how batshit crazy they go.
Also this was one of Marvel's first TV shows. Leading the audience off the trail of the plot is an art. They'll get a hang of eventually. But I dunno, I said it in this thread before, some of y'all were getting way to crazy with your theories haha. But that's all part of the fun I guess.
Anyway this was the first episode I felt compelled to watch again immediately.
I'm confused... So Westview, NJ really does exist? Or is that a SWORD fabrication? And why would SWORD know that Wanda was capable of altering reality or "bringing Vision back online" in the first place?
Agatha seemed unsatisfied with the explanation of "the mind stone boosted her latent powers", but then after the final flashback she seemed like she had that question answered? I hope we'll get a little more on this, because that wasn't cleanly resolved at all.
The last episode needs to be feature length to tie all this shit up. I fear it's either going to be very rushed, or we're going to have to wait for Doctor Strange 2.
The last episode needs to be feature length to tie all this shit up. I fear it's either going to be very rushed, or we're going to have to wait for Doctor Strange 2.
Yep. Hate to say it but the "critiques" all really boil down to the show not ticking some sort of "comic book" quota. It's not some deal with the devil or even Agatha scheming it's a woman's grief after she constantly keeps losing the people closest to her.
My guess Wanda was born with a little magical talent, the stone blew it up.
Which is just like the comics, if Wanda had been born anywhere else she would have been a generic energy throwing mutate, but because she was born next to the home of an elder demon god she got juiced.
Which is just like the comics, if Wanda had been born anywhere else she would have been a generic energy throwing mutate, but because she was born next to the home of an elder demon god she got juiced.
Me:I love soft sweet civilian vision so much
LOOK AT THIS SHIT
We didn't *needed it*, but it was powerful character moments, imo.
It wasn't an utilitarian exposition to show you what happened (like I joked before the episode it would be Agatha explaining things on a monologue), I can't explain in terms other than I am still shaking, ever since that bomb dropped and her loving family doing their best in a horrible civil war got wiped out instantly, that's powerful, I'm sorry you didn't feel it, the bomb scene and she getting to a deserted lot where she was supposed to spend the rest of her life with her loved one? That's a lot.
Yup, that was great. That was the kind of scene we needed in Civil War. Overall I love how they're fleshing Wanda out.
Also, the credits theme playing when she got her powers was fucking wonderful. Great piece of music and I hope they bring it back for her appearances in the upcoming movies. In my mind that's THE Scarlet Witch theme.
Westview always existed, it was just that the cops were brainwashed to think it didn't despite there being a sign right next to them
This kind of deep dive and spae for reflection is exactly what superhero productions mostly miss out on. I guess the people complaining here have been conditioned by CBM to expect all scenes to move the plot forward, but that's a bad thing, it's bad filmmaking, and stopping up to breathe is a good thing.
Making time to give characters space to talk to each other.
Yes, we know the PLOT referred to in these flashbacks for the most part. But we haven't seen the toll it takes, or the connections formed, or the characters speak about it.
Seeing Wanda with her family is VALUABLE. Seeing her and Vision confront the loss of her brother is VALUABLE. There's value in getting to know characters and how they cope and how they connect.
This is the kind of episode that firmly establishes the show as weighty, meaty and a great work of television.
Making time to give characters space to talk to each other.
Yes, we know the PLOT referred to in these flashbacks for the most part. But we haven't seen the toll it takes, or the connections formed, or the characters speak about it.
Seeing Wanda with her family is VALUABLE. Seeing her and Vision confront the loss of her brother is VALUABLE. There's value in getting to know characters and how they cope and how they connect.
This is the kind of episode that firmly establishes the show as weighty, meaty and a great work of television.
Powerful episode with some really great scenes. I think the show really needed an ep just to follow Wanda around, to show what she's been through and to really dwell on her grief. It's great that she basically has 40 minutes of just solid character-work and now we finally have a full background of the show to segue into the last episode finale.