Hold up wasn't Vic banned from going to Kameha Con or am I just imagining that happened?
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Vic Mignogna Lawsuit |OT| Hold My Beard (Update: Appeal lost, Mignogna must pay attorney fees to defendants)
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Hold up wasn't Vic banned from going to Kameha Con or am I just imagining that happened?
You're correct. They originally had Vic on their guest list, revoked it around the time most other conventions were also dropping him, but just brought him back on today.
Fangirls are a minority, and calling them trolls would imply they know better. It's mostly sexists and plain morons.
Why the hell would they let that shit stain back? If it's because of Vic's rabid fanboys/girls they should have told them to screw on off and stuck to their guns.
Fair enough. I didn't know they were a minority. My impression was that they were the majority at the beginning, and then the sexists and morons just jumped on the bandwagon later.
Especially easy to accomplish if there are mostly guys anyway XD
He's going to use this chance to show how much he's a "changed man" and how much he "loves all of you".
I want to make this perfectly clear because I think my viewpoints are being grossly misrepresented:
I am absolutely not defending any specific gamegater or gamegater adjacent person. I'm only stating a belief that a majority of people are just parroting the beliefs of the larger personalities out of ignorance, and immediately dismissing them as the same type of garbage means no one is there to talk to them to explain why it's garbage and they never learn how incorrect those views are.
This all goes back to my earlier statements on how I worry this situation is essentially a huge alt-right breeding ground because if you assume everyone out there is arguing in bad faith, you start looking like a fanatic and unintentionally reinforce the "me vs. the world" mentality.
Wait what's wrong with Shield Hero? I've been watching some clips of it on YouTube but that's as far as I know about the story.
Some people will take the plot and match it with "incel" but I think that's off the mark as it doesn't feel that way to me.
The part where I can see someone finding questionable is that it has slaves. But even then, it's considered taboo anyway in the realm.
well let's not forget that the first major plot point is a super over the top ham fisted false rape allegation on the main character, or the fact that the main character is an unrepentant douche, or the fact that the main character owns multiple slaves, even when he doesn't even need them, or the fact that the series tries to tell you that it's okay for the main character to own slaves because he's 'nice' to them. that among many other problems. fuck that show
It has slavery themes and iirc a rape victim who's made out to be the villain, then uses her being raped again as some sort of 'justice' despite the fact she was never the villain they paint her as repeatedly seeing as she was really the victim that the show will not acknowledge.
That's from the odd mention here and there. Not watched since honestly it sounds like absolute trash
The main point that draws Shield Hero into this situation is the false rape accusation that forms the core of the story. It gets latched on to a lot as an example of what all rape accusers without video evidence must actually be.
The source material also doubles down on the "women are terrible unless enslaved to your will" stuff in the grossest fashion possible further down the line, though the anime will probably never reach that point in the story.
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The "first draft" of the Shield Hero story (it's web novel) included the protagonist hating all women, multiple references to his slaves suffering and sending the woman that accused him of rape to actually being raped. The anime and other recent iterations of the story have cut down most of it but the theme of "the only women that I trust are my slaves" remains.
Main character becomes a douche cause everyone is a douche to him not just this woman. As for "over the top ham", isn't that just anime in general? HxH that last episode had a man age cause he was scared.
As for the slave bit I guess for me I see this as one of those monster catching games. I was actually fine with the slave aspect up until his first slave got the seal removed and she asked to be his slave again. Felt like unnecessary fan service. I'll admit I do like the fact that he has progression with his time with her and you see his true intentions when he is willing to give his life when she is too afraid to fight a monster due to a phobia.
I see this anime as not for everyone but at the same time I feel like it's not as bad as some make it out to be.
And I believe the "villian" gets defeated, made a slave herself, renamed "Bitch" and then raped alot.
But I don't recall if that's 100% accurate cause I'm only going by what I read about it.
But I don't recall if that's 100% accurate cause I'm only going by what I read about it.
My guess is he's using his lawyer to threaten conventions into inviting him back. There could be contractual wiggle room with the "nothing has been proven in court" defense.
For Z-list celebs, the signing table is a large percentage of their income.
I don't know who this YellowFlash guy is but I keep seeing his vids pop up in my feed and I can tell he's obsessed with this.
Does anyone know if many of Vic's accusers will be at that con? Just seems really unsafe in general.
One of the reasons it gets brought up in this thread is because a lot of Vic stans were comparing him directly to the lead character since the premise in the show has him being falsely accused by an opportunistic woman.
One of the reasons it gets brought up in this thread is because a lot of Vic stans were comparing him directly to the lead character since the premise in the show has him being falsely accused by an opportunistic woman.
Read up on that shield hero thing, the false accusation seems to be the least of its problems. Dude buys a slave who falls in love with him or forces her to fight. Of course she starts off as a loli. Gets the one girl who accused him to be called bitch and the other heroes turn out to be shit stains while he is always right. Though the wiki talked about how he capture a bunch of bandits, robbed them so they couldn't bribe the guards to turn on them and sold them into slavery to trade for the people they enslaved. That is such a Mount and Blade thing, I couldn't help but laugh at that. Shit is wild.
The thing reads like an incel manifesto. Shunned by Society, but I'll save them anyways. The single beautiful virgin follows me wherever I go. The slutty looking one turns out to be a whore and liar! The other heroes are all idiots to my superior tactics.
The thing reads like an incel manifesto. Shunned by Society, but I'll save them anyways. The single beautiful virgin follows me wherever I go. The slutty looking one turns out to be a whore and liar! The other heroes are all idiots to my superior tactics.
Kameha-con backtracking is shitty news... hope none of the other cons do likewise.
Yeah, this prick's videos keep getting rec'd to me by Youtube as well. The thumbnails for them alone got a big ole "yikes" outta me.
These people are like a cult.
Yeah, this prick's videos keep getting rec'd to me by Youtube as well. The thumbnails for them alone got a big ole "yikes" outta me.
These people are like a cult.
So apparently people are accusing Chris Sabat and Monica Rial into taking Vic off the guest list or something?
I mean if their modus operandi is to threaten to sue every con that backed out on a Vic invite, I have to imagine other cons will buckle as well. Potentially losing guests, revenue and attendees in the process.
Wait what really? That's really fucked up. If I was the con I'd embarrass him constantly on stage by saying he threaten to sue to be here today and that he must really care about this convention and fans.
Apparently, he's going to go after FUNimation next to make them rehire him.
I'm surprised no other Funi VAs have said anything about this yet.
If he does this he'll get fucked in court. He has no ground to stand on, Funi could have dropped him if they just felt like it.
Can he please be put in jail? But seeing the Twitter feed and pro-Vic fans is extremely disturbing. Most of them are teens who have no idea the stuff he has been doing since they were born.
i see a lot of people with "#gamergate" and "maga" in their profiles
Wait, sue them based on what? Did they sign a contract beforehand? Even if that's a case, can't future cons just stop dealing with Vic in the first place?
By the way, I know there was an article with a detailed summary of the whole situation that was posted earlier, does anyone have a link to it? Google is not my friend in this situation. Hell, I'm getting more fucked up YouTube recommendations than I used to (someone with "reich" in their username).
By the way, I know there was an article with a detailed summary of the whole situation that was posted earlier, does anyone have a link to it? Google is not my friend in this situation. Hell, I'm getting more fucked up YouTube recommendations than I used to (someone with "reich" in their username).
I keep seeing back-and-forth on the whole "Vic's lawyer suing Kamehacon" down at Kanzenshuu, so a proper source for that would appreciated. I'm in the same rut as L Thammy where I just keep getting gross-ass search results/propaganda rather than anything genuine.
(Just to be clear, we're talking about the blackface guy, right? Weren't they swearing up and down not even a month ago he WASN'T Vic's lawyer? lol)
(Just to be clear, we're talking about the blackface guy, right? Weren't they swearing up and down not even a month ago he WASN'T Vic's lawyer? lol)
So, having followed Gamergate closely during its height, I do think there were a lot of people then that were misled. The thing is, most of them were misled based on petty gamer shit. You already had a bunch of people who were angry about their favourite games getting bad scores from reviewers, which isn't really as much of a problem in the real world as it is in their own stupid little minds, and then they'd go off to Twitter to say actually that's what Gamergate was about. But they'd never actually go to the Gamergate hangouts like /gg/, where you'd very quickly bump into, say, an infographic about how it's actually women being allowed to vote and not the jews that is responsible for the decline of conservatism, at which point it becomes very clear that it's not about that.
Eventually all of the useful idiots either found out that Gamergate wasn't what they thought it was, or that the label was so finally associated with other things that their narrative would never win, and so they abandoned it. Gamergate still continues, but the people who are still there know exactly what it is.
From what I can tell, this StandWithVic stuff doesn't seem to have that going on. There's no existing nerd issue it's exploiting. There's no ambiguity as to what it's about. It's laser focused on the poor abuser and the nasty women who have so selfishly called out his behaviour. Admittedly I haven't been following this as closely, but the only thing I've seen so far that tries to tie it into anything else was that one '90s dubbing versus modern dubbing image that still ended up showing its politics and ranting about how terrible labour unions are.
I don't know if they're all disingenuous or maybe some of them could be dumb teens who are being misled, but ultimately it seems that everyone who goes on the StandWithVic side has to be sold on the story that Vic is the victim and everyone who called him out is evil, because there's nothing else to support.
That's because this time they don't have a "Gamers are Dead" and "GamesJournoPro" secondary target to go after to make it seem like it was actually about there infamous "Ethics in Game Journalism" bullshit cover tactic.
This time we don't have political pundits saying to let the boys have there toys, mainstream actors creating there hash tag for them and the such. It kept the discussion tight with less targets to go for and a lot less popular allies.
The Vic supporters did try to get AnimeGate trending as a hash tag but the truth is anime is not a popular or as widespread as video games.
It's good though. Easier to see through the bullshit.
But... I thought bullying cons into doing what you want was a bad thing, right?
Exactly, by threatening legal action against cons dude is completely fucking himself over. No con is gonna want to deal with that.
I'm assuming it probably came from blackface lawyers livestream last night with Vic's actual lawyer.
On that part. The big 4chan boards, as far as I know, were /b/, /v/, and /a/. Naturally these are also the ones deepest into the 4chan culture. So anime memes that spread out of /a/ tend to spread that culture with it.
I don't have any concrete evidence of this, but I get the sense that /a/ had more influence on anime culture before this than /v/ did on general gaming culture before Gamergate, probably because video games are more driven by corporations while anime has been more driven by fans. I'm pretty sure I've read far more fan translated manga than official ones, and even if officially licensed anime is getting more of a presence now, a lot of those are fan translation groups that have made careers out of their hobby.
A random example, but I use an alternative marketplace app, Qooapp, to download Japanese apps. A while ago, I saw an official discussion thread on the app's main page where they asked - while roleplaying as a cutesy anime girl who refers to herself in third person, of course - if morality has a place in your anime purchasing decisions, or something like that. All of the comments were along the lines of "what the fuck do morals have to do with anime". I don't think there was anything specifically related to Vic there, but it just reeks of how 4chan's culture has its fangs in western anime culture.
So I tend to think that Gamergate was a more destructive in that it was radicalizing a lot of nihilistic nerds, whereas that's been injected deeper into anime fandom a long time ago, and so much of StandWithVic's reach is to the same actors that this already appealed to. Even looking at the central issue, this wasn't something that came out of the blue. Vic was already getting away with this stuff, and because he's facing consequences now, there's pushback.
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Probably thinking of this one.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/one-of-anime-s-biggest-voices-accused-of-sexual-harassm-1832390505
Rape culture requires an absence of critical thinking in favor of profound ignorance (not knowing the first thing about sexual assault). Immensely depressing, but not exactly surprising.