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fragamemnon

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Nov 30, 2017
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watching pakman cover the florida trump rally, even the crowd behind him seems bored and are watching things in the distance lol. People are being escorted off the stage too rather quickly.

Can see people exiting the rally behind him 🤣

People have done this ever since 2016, I compare it to going to church on Sunday and enjoying the choir, meet and greet, and hymns, but finding the sermon itself pretty boring.

Why they haven't converted it to a tailgating event with activities where the pregame is more about the rally itself, I dunno. Probably because the venues aren't equipped for it?
 

Plinko

Member
Oct 28, 2017
18,613
watching pakman cover the florida trump rally, even the crowd behind him seems bored and are watching things in the distance lol. People are being escorted off the stage too rather quickly.

Can see people exiting the rally behind him 🤣

He hasn't updated his shtick in years. Every speech is identical.
 

Caz

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,055
Canada
Well things aren't exactly sunshine and rainbows.
But if you aren't happy with the current state of things, you can't say that!

Just blame "The Online Left™" for "conditioning people into Doomers!?!!!" instead of acknowledging the well-deserved criticism of various state and federal in/action, especially pertaining to voting restrictions.
 

Warhawk4Ever

Banned
Jun 23, 2021
2,514
But if you aren't happy with the current state of things, you can't say that!

Just blame "The Online Left™" for "conditioning people into Doomers!?!!!" instead of acknowledging the well-deserved criticism of various state and federal in/action, especially pertaining to voting restrictions.

nice strawman. Nobody is saying things are all great or that you shouldn't voice your concerns. Rather, posters are arguing that there is realism and acknowleging the challenges and then there is constant doomposting, refusal to acknowledge when something good happens, arguing we're 'fucked and goodbye america' when the future hasnt been written yet.

That instead of just posting random Twitter personas who say something you agree with, without adding context of your own, we should post quality stories/links that is based in as much reality as possible.
 
Oct 25, 2017
34,953
He hasn't updated his shtick in years. Every speech is identical.

At least The Grateful Dead played material that was never going to be released on their records. It made sense for the Deadheads to follow them everywhere. Also the weed.
How miserable must your life be to be a Trump follower like that? Hearing the exact same thing over and over in different places around the country.
 
Feb 14, 2018
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I was referring to the GA election that locked up the Senate.
It was certainly cause for celebration, but I still think the general mood was "at least Biden will get to make cabinet and judicial appointments" rather than "Dems will definitely get every part of their agenda through the 50-50 Senate." Posters here were pretty clear-eyed from the start about Manchin being the power broker and what that meant for this Congress. And again, that was immediately followed by the insurrection. My impression of this thread has been one of persistent negativity, even with some of the worst offenders on ignore. I don't find it appropriate to use some hopeful posts after winning a major election as an excuse for pessimism 6 months later. If the pessimism is warranted then its justification should be rational. If it's not warranted then it need not be justified.

I sympathize with the negativity because there's a lot of bad stuff going on and some dire signs. For that reason I don't want to be critical of "doomposting" since to some people it just means posting and discussing real and bad news. I also don't want to be a hypocrite. Since I was critical of Republicans for being constantly angry even when they had full control over the government, I will make sure I appreciate the current situation while it lasts. If I'm miserable even during Democratic governance, what do I have to look forward to during GOP governance?
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
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He absolutely cannot help himself. He genuinely thinks avoiding taxes like this is fine.

It was certainly cause for celebration, but I still think the general mood was "at least Biden will get to make cabinet and judicial appointments" rather than "Dems will definitely get every part of their agenda through the 50-50 Senate." Posters here were pretty clear-eyed from the start about Manchin being the power broker and what that meant for this Congress. And again, that was immediately followed by the insurrection. My impression of this thread has been one of persistent negativity, even with some of the worst offenders on ignore. I don't find it appropriate to use some hopeful posts after winning a major election as an excuse for pessimism 6 months later. If the pessimism is warranted then its justification should be rational. If it's not warranted then it need not be justified.

I sympathize with the negativity because there's a lot of bad stuff going on and some dire signs. For that reason I don't want to be critical of "doomposting" since to some people it just means posting and discussing real and bad news. I also don't want to be a hypocrite. Since I was critical of Republicans for being constantly angry even when they had full control over the government, I will make sure I appreciate the current situation while it lasts. If I'm miserable even during Democratic governance, what do I have to look forward to during GOP governance?

I remember it a bit differently. People were ecstatic and many were making lists of the things that were going to get done.

Also, if you read my post again, I said "part of." I wasn't using that positivity as an "excuse for negativity." Just giving one possible reason for some of it. I definitely agree the negativity is overbearing.
 
Feb 14, 2018
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He absolutely cannot help himself. He genuinely thinks avoiding taxes like this is fine.



I remember it a bit differently. People were ecstatic and many were making lists of the things that were going to get done.

Also, if you read my post again, I said "part of." I wasn't using that positivity as an "excuse for negativity." Just giving one possible reason for some of it. I definitely agree the negativity is overbearing.

It's possible some were very optimistic! I don't remember much of that. I recall a lot of discussion before and after the election about what Manchin being the 50th Senator would mean. Then the next day came and completely changed the main topic - for good reason. My memory may not be wholly representative of the thread.
 

rickyson33

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Nov 23, 2017
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can't say I was expecting much more than the Covid/Judges+Appointments and the infrastructure I still think will happen out of a 50/50 Senate

with the exception of DC which I also thought would happen and no longer think so(although I still think there's probably like a 10-20% chance of it happening at some point next year), even felt confident enough in it that I had some money on it happening
 

Aaron

I’m seeing double here!
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Oct 25, 2017
18,077
Minneapolis
My expectations for a 50-50 Senate were judges and reconciliation. We're getting those! And that isn't nothing, either.

I obviously wish we had more seats and that the filibuster was gone. But it's important to remember that hitting 50-50, even with Manchin as kingmaker, is a significantly better outcome than literally any 51-49 or worse GOP majority.
 

Mezentine

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really genuinely thought that Manchin would get onboard quick for 1.) DC Statehood and 2.) Voting Rights

I never expected us to get a lot of Green New Deal stuff, or even economically progressive stuff through but I admit that I overestimated how much the Dems would even be able to muster a rapid consensus on the need to protect voting rights
 

Warhawk4Ever

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Jun 23, 2021
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The issue stems from the fact that they have checks with his signature on them and 2 sets of books...

If anything, it will lead to a lot more questions

sure but folks have pointed out since he doesnt use email he could just plead ignorance that what he was paying for wasn't being taxed. He could just say he has a CFO to make sure taxes are paid.

hopefully it doesnt work but still important.
 

phisheep

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes
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Oct 26, 2017
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sure but folks have pointed out since he doesnt use email he could just plead ignorance that what he was paying for wasn't being taxed. He could just say he has a CFO to make sure taxes are paid.

hopefully it doesnt work but still important.

I think it is important to distinguish between the criminal charges and the tax liability. For criminal charges you'd need to prove intent, which could be difficult as you say. But that doesn't make the tax liability (plus accumulated penalties and interest) go away and in a civil case for tax, constructive knowledge is enough - so you can impute knowledge even without proving intent.

The downside for Weisselberg is much greater than either a criminal sentence or his individual tax liability. He could, as CFO, end up personally liable for all of the Trump Org's back taxes and penalties and interest - unless he fingers Trump and the Trumpkins. That's a fair old incentive.
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
18,613
I fully expect republicans to shamelessly take credit for the child tax credit checks coming in 2 weeks.
 

Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
13,513


I feel like this is going to be a requirement of any new voting rights legislation.

From what I understand, the data shows that the effect of voter ID on turnout is genuinely negligible (across all demographics), so whatever. If it makes it easier to pass the expansion, so be it.
 

Slash

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Sep 12, 2018
9,859
I was busy yesterday so I couldn't write up a full response, but I wanted to address the issue of pessimism in this thread. I've been expecting these things from a 50-50 Senate and a small House majority: Reconciliation bills, tax increases, massive stimulus money, judges, full Biden cabinet, and a lot of compromising. Any more would be great, but by sending my mindset there back in January I wasn't as disappointed when we weren't able to get other things.

Even with the majorities we have, there's still a relatively big amount of strong legislation that Dems can pass and campaign on. Just this year we're likely to get the American Rescue Plan, infrastructure, and another reconciliation bill with strong "social" infrastructure like paid leave. When was the last time a congressional majority this small got this much passed in a year?

This is where I'm at: focus on the accomplishments that we can realistically get, and realize that the 2022 midterms might be our chance to get even more. It sucks that we likely won't be able to get strong voting rights protections, but the economic legislation passed can and will go a long way to vastly improve where we were at in January.
 

GoldenFlex

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Banned
May 7, 2021
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rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,477
Phoenix
Referring to this one or was there another?

www.businessinsider.com

A string of top accounts on the new pro-Trump app GETTR were hacked and defaced on its July 4 launch day, and the person claiming to be the hacker says the site still has several security bugs

Marjorie Taylor Greene, Mike Pompeo, and Newsmax all had their pages hacked, as did the app's founder Jason Miller.
Yeah that's it. Mostly a defacing it seems.

"there was a problem and we immediately caught it and fixed it the media is sabotaging us!"

but also

"By the way, how about the New York election discrepancy that they caught immediately? Proves FRAUD!"
 

Plinko

Member
Oct 28, 2017
18,613
My main hesitancy on voter ID is that Republicans have been blaming lack of voter ID laws for their losses. If these get implemented and they continue to lose, they'll just push for even more draconian voting restrictions by blaming other things.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,477
Phoenix
Yeah, first 4th in a while I can breath a sigh of relief. We voted out the orange maniac, we are heading towards the end of covid, and things seem generally improving. Still a lot of work to do but... optimism is running high in my house.
Generally I am still a cynic, in particular about how this seems like a small breath of air before all the air runs out, but for the most part I am happy simply because it's as you said, Democrats have power so certainly less damage will be done and we are also nearly past the pandemic.

Plus if I ever want to feel in good spirits I just tell myself "just think about how Republicans feel after Trump losing the election". Every Republican family member that was so sure of themselves that Trump and their ideology would win and thought Trump was the greatest leader of our time, to see him lose and just go out in a whimper after encouraging an attack on our government. They are likely STILL devastated and it still puts a smile on my face.
 

GoldenFlex

Alt Account
Banned
May 7, 2021
2,900
Plus if I ever want to feel in good spirits I just tell myself "just think about how Republicans feel after Trump losing the election. Every Republican family member that was so sure of themselves and thought Trump was the greatest leader of our time, to see him lose and just go out in a whimper after encouraging an attack on our government. They are likely STILL devastated and it still puts a smile on my face.
Yep, there are currently two types of Trump maniacs, either they doubled/tripled down on the MAGA stupid shit like we see in that post of the big fans room. Or the sullen ones silently raging how their dear leader lost it all and keeps doubling down on conspiracy theories, making them look even stupider.

Both give me some joy like you said to think about them and laugh but also feel sad that both of these people would do almost anything to get Trump back in power.
 

cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
23,858




www.nbcnews.com

Visitors can get close to White House North Lawn again after barricades removed

Extended fencing and barricades were put in place at the White House following protests that took place outside Lafayette Square last summer.

WASHINGTON — U.S. Secret Service has removed fencing and barricades that blocked people from being able to walk all the way up to the North Lawn fence in front of the White House.
"The portion of Pennsylvania Avenue and the White House sidewalk between 15th and 17th Streets NW has been reopened to foot and bicycle traffic," said U.S. Secret Service in a statement on Sunday. Later this summer, a National Park Service paving project will require Pennsylvania Avenue and adjacent areas be closed.
Fencing barriers were seen going up as early as June of 2020 after protests ensued in response to George Floyd's death. Last year, police forcibly removed peaceful protesters from the Lafayette Square area using rubber bullets, smoke bombs and pepper balls before former President Donald Trump took a photo in front of St. John's Episcopal Church.
A report from the Interior Department's inspector general later found federal police officers violently cleared protestors so a contractor could install fencing, not to let Trump hold a photo opportunity at a nearby church.
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
18,613




www.nbcnews.com

Visitors can get close to White House North Lawn again after barricades removed

Extended fencing and barricades were put in place at the White House following protests that took place outside Lafayette Square last summer.

WASHINGTON — U.S. Secret Service has removed fencing and barricades that blocked people from being able to walk all the way up to the North Lawn fence in front of the White House.
"The portion of Pennsylvania Avenue and the White House sidewalk between 15th and 17th Streets NW has been reopened to foot and bicycle traffic," said U.S. Secret Service in a statement on Sunday. Later this summer, a National Park Service paving project will require Pennsylvania Avenue and adjacent areas be closed.
Fencing barriers were seen going up as early as June of 2020 after protests ensued in response to George Floyd's death. Last year, police forcibly removed peaceful protesters from the Lafayette Square area using rubber bullets, smoke bombs and pepper balls before former President Donald Trump took a photo in front of St. John's Episcopal Church.
A report from the Interior Department's inspector general later found federal police officers violently cleared protestors so a contractor could install fencing, not to let Trump hold a photo opportunity at a nearby church.

Awesome! I'm still puzzled/concerned/frightened by why that was put there in the first place and what that clown was actually planning.

Glad people can walk up again. I need to get to DC for a visit. Would love to take my kids.
 

Voyager

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,638
Awesome! I'm still puzzled/concerned/frightened by why that was put there in the first place and what that clown was actually planning.

Glad people can walk up again. I need to get to DC for a visit. Would love to take my kids.
I visited DC Sept 2019 and you could only stand across the street from the Whitehouse.
 

ChippyTurtle

Banned
Oct 13, 2018
4,773
Manchin's voting rights bill is quite good. I'm totally in favor of giving up required national ID if it's completely free and easily attained.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,477
Phoenix




www.nbcnews.com

Visitors can get close to White House North Lawn again after barricades removed

Extended fencing and barricades were put in place at the White House following protests that took place outside Lafayette Square last summer.

WASHINGTON — U.S. Secret Service has removed fencing and barricades that blocked people from being able to walk all the way up to the North Lawn fence in front of the White House.
"The portion of Pennsylvania Avenue and the White House sidewalk between 15th and 17th Streets NW has been reopened to foot and bicycle traffic," said U.S. Secret Service in a statement on Sunday. Later this summer, a National Park Service paving project will require Pennsylvania Avenue and adjacent areas be closed.
Fencing barriers were seen going up as early as June of 2020 after protests ensued in response to George Floyd's death. Last year, police forcibly removed peaceful protesters from the Lafayette Square area using rubber bullets, smoke bombs and pepper balls before former President Donald Trump took a photo in front of St. John's Episcopal Church.
A report from the Interior Department's inspector general later found federal police officers violently cleared protestors so a contractor could install fencing, not to let Trump hold a photo opportunity at a nearby church.

Bunker Boy really liked that fence, kept him safe from "all the Blacks".
 
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