By that point if Corona is still around he can claim social distancing is nothing untoward happened.;)
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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I missed most of the debate but the "only felons get deported" line is a stark shift from Joe
Biden's social team is being uncharacteristically nimble tonight. Probably helps when you're facing just one person
Bernie's answer/point about "winning the ideological battle" on stuff like Medicare For All is kinda weird.
Because yeah, that may be so... But at the same time, they're clearly not voting for him.
So what's that say... If people really feel that way, but they're voting for Biden anyway?
Obviously, a mix of things. Part of it is that voters are complicated and most are not single-issue voters, or rather, even for those that are single-issue voters, the amount of voters that are single-issue voters for any particular individual single-issue, such as M4A, is low. Another possibility is that people agree with Sanders, but he's just not a good messenger/not good at selling it for whatever reason.
But no matter how you slice it, the fact that people feel that way but nonetheless are voting for Biden, if true... I don't see how that itself is good in any way, as clearly there's some disconnect somewhere if that's the case, that he's not been able to translate that into votes for himself over Biden. That just raises further questions. As to what the answers are, who knows, but if so, I don't see how that itself is good for Sanders 'cause something is clearly off if that's the case and it's not something in Sanders' favor.
Because yeah, that may be so... But at the same time, they're clearly not voting for him.
So what's that say... If people really feel that way, but they're voting for Biden anyway?
Obviously, a mix of things. Part of it is that voters are complicated and most are not single-issue voters, or rather, even for those that are single-issue voters, the amount of voters that are single-issue voters for any particular individual single-issue, such as M4A, is low. Another possibility is that people agree with Sanders, but he's just not a good messenger/not good at selling it for whatever reason.
But no matter how you slice it, the fact that people feel that way but nonetheless are voting for Biden, if true... I don't see how that itself is good in any way, as clearly there's some disconnect somewhere if that's the case, that he's not been able to translate that into votes for himself over Biden. That just raises further questions. As to what the answers are, who knows, but if so, I don't see how that itself is good for Sanders 'cause something is clearly off if that's the case and it's not something in Sanders' favor.
Sorry--forgot to add "female" to the sentence.
Bernie's attacks on the media are super, super gross. (Particularly since he still goes on Faux News.)
Exactly the opposite... they're cutting back so hard because demand has dropped like a rock and airports are empty. The only exceptions are the 24 hours before each new travel ban as people scramble to get home.
I posted that before hearing Bernie's answer in regards to AA support, but they were both terrible answers.
Sanders is right and we have to hope that will resonate long term over the myopic shit.
Biden has been the Democrats Trump for a long ass time.
Totally. He'll go on Fox and lend credibility to them, even though he treats Washington Post reporters as poorly as Trump does.
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Just a probalistic example off the top of my head tbh? I removed it because it was needlessly and overly specific without any justification. Worst case it actually applies to someone here and they think I was talking about them.
Biden can't go back in time and undo his own dumb quotes and Hillary showed adding multiple layers and trying to clarify or correct the record or evolve on everything makes you look worse with people than doubling down and denying that you ever supported anything dumb
The clip with Biden confidently declaring a woman as VP and Sanders equivocating over it looks really bad for Sanders and its going to get played over and over.
Yes, and that truth is a) operating in the Senate as the minority party, and b) winning crucial states and constituencies order to win an election, to be able to address all the things he said tonight he agrees with her on. On point b, Sanders is currently "less true" than Biden. AOC is just frustrated, I don't blame her but she learns quickly and no doubt will continue her escalating rise.
In psychology it's well known that people whom have more tend to exhibit less empathy, sympathy, and tend to be worse at thinking about situations from others perspectives. This is especially true when you look at what people give relative to their means. If you want I can link you relevant materials. The amount of people that can live comfortably off of a one spouse income are in a stark minority in the United States.
That debate reassured me Biden has got it together.
This was gonna change Bernie's prospects?
This was gonna change Bernie's prospects?
He still visiting shady Kremlin operatives still on NRA missions? Asking for a friend.
Eh. That's why you be slick and CONTRITE about it.
The CNN discussion now is about how quickly things are escalating. The CDC gave out a countrywide recommendation to avoid gatherings +50 people, and New York City is giving out an executive order to close theaters and nightclubs, and all restaurants are only allowed to do delivery and takeout.
this whole throw up progressive responses because its a crisis move is going to hurt him if he backs away from it as soon as bernie is out of the picture
he was already winning
i don't think biden's losing his basic faculties but this isn't a bunch of cynical lies then I really have to question how well he remembers his own record
Is that why Bernie can't see how he comes off badly to black voters?
Also, "who have more."
It was a last hope. It was an absurdly dim hope but it was all he had. Now he is going to be blown the fuck out everyone.
Yeah, it's just not an honest attack to boil it down to "Biden wanted SS cuts." That suggests it's something he wants in and of itself - simply being willing to offer them up as bargaining chips for other things (in the case of the 2011 debt deal, more infrastructure spending and cuts elsewhere + tax increases) isn't that.
That why he's setting up offices all over, including in Biden's home town?
If this was true he wouldn't have been going in on things like Biden's social security history or attacking Biden on minuscule issues that just make him look petty. These "Bernie just wants to make Biden a better candidate" hot takes just sound like people are desperate to spin Bernie into having some sort of figurative "win".
Biden could commit to create a path to citizenship for Dreamers as a pitch to Latino voters and of course closing the border jails.
Not so much a win as a purpose beyond spite.
Even if that's not the goal. Warren's potential endorsement and Bernie still being in this race seems to have led Biden to going left on policies he was much more centrist on in the primary. I would love to see it continue
This isn't true at all, considering the actions of his campaign, and Bernie's history.
This I can agree with. In 2016 it was pretty much all spite, it doesn't have that feel this time.
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