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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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To be fair it was more just a return to normal after the huge spike on friday. 110k registered to vote compared to 105k on the comparative day last election. The total of young people registered in this campaign is already higher than last time with three days to go. Those last three days totalled 923k last election, I think even just matching that would be great considering the numbers so far.
Still, great to see celebrities like Emilia pushing for registration, we need more of it on places like instagram.
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I've got a presentation for my independent study project at uni soon, if conducted myself in that manner at any point they'd fail me.
Why are these master race fucks always genetic dead ends? He can't speak English, he can't form a coherent thought and he looks like Worzel Gummidge lost his epipen.
I know everyone is just into tweets, but this is a thoughtful read
It would actually be interesting to see how nuke-loving American Era is. No doubt it would just be a wall of "America needs nukes because... Russia".
It would actually be interesting to see how nuke-loving American Era is. No doubt it would just be a wall of "America needs nukes because... Russia".
How in the ever-loving fuck does half of the country look at this guy and think he's way more prime ministerial than Corbyn? He's a bumbling idiot, a liar and an all round cunt, its obvious just from 1 minute clips like this.
The questions about whether a leader would be prepared to use nuclear weapons are always disturbing.
I'll never understand the fixation some twats have with it. Wanting to feel mighty?
I'll never understand the fixation some twats have with it. Wanting to feel mighty?
The rules of conduct and pretty much everything don't apply to the ruling class. Sadly.
All I've been shown since 2015 is that democracy doesnt actually work anymore.
Propaganda machines are just way out of control.
The chosen candidate can literally just smear the microphone in actual real shit as an answer to a difficult question and 24 hours later all the papers and news rooms will be treating actual shit on a microphone as if it was a Michelle Obama level speech and equally valid to all other competitors who actually used words.
And then tens of fucking millions of people will vote for the shit smeared on a microphone because someone used a twig to scribe the word "brexit" in the shit.
Like I said there has to be a time when instead of blaming Labour leader after Labour leader. They blame the public that keep voting Tories despite them being bigotted, poor hating trash.
When the media positions itself as the propaganda arm of the government then what else can you expect
That and most of the country hating darkies and poors
Relatively speaking? Nowhere near this. Atleee worked under the Churchill government in tha war time coalition. He was economically quite socialist by today's standards, but relatively for the time not so much. He was also a nationalist in message at times, had been in the army etc etc.
That government achieved spectacular things but positionally? A former army major, from a rich upper class background with a brand of patriotic socialism is far away from what we've currently got.
Thank you - it is alarming how much I have seen it voted down already.
I can't possibly answer everyone, but I think most of you questioned my statement about the privatisation of the NHS.
As far as I understand, the NHS remains funded by the Government, and will be for the foreseeable future. Hence my claim about it remaining "publicly-funded" and not privatised. There's no denying that it needs additional funding.
in the meantime, the NHS has enlisted private operators to pick up the slack. Those operators aren't charging a penny over what the NHS charges the government, so its not like you're enriching private operators (profit margins are slim if not nil); private operators like NHS supply as it allows them to amortise their costs over a greater pool of patients.
As for the devaluation of the Sterling, it really was down to uncertainty and the early estimate of impact on the U.K. economy. Markets hate uncertainty and volatility. The Sterling has strengthened massively since the removal of May/appointment of Johnson as it means a more definitive solution is likely coming soon, which may possibly be better than initially expected.
Corporates won't be better under Corbyn. 6pct increase to the corporate tax rate, and the inception of the IOF (which is effectively a corporate tax disguised as an employee dividend) will make some think twice about setting up shop in the U.K.. The U.K. already has a very effective corporate tax code, so you shouldn't be looking at the tax rate thinking companies are getting off Scot free versus other EU countries. And I haven't even gotten started on the nationalisation plans which will destroy investor confidence if a Corbyn government lowballs investors.
As far as I understand, the NHS remains funded by the Government, and will be for the foreseeable future. Hence my claim about it remaining "publicly-funded" and not privatised. There's no denying that it needs additional funding.
in the meantime, the NHS has enlisted private operators to pick up the slack. Those operators aren't charging a penny over what the NHS charges the government, so its not like you're enriching private operators (profit margins are slim if not nil); private operators like NHS supply as it allows them to amortise their costs over a greater pool of patients.
As for the devaluation of the Sterling, it really was down to uncertainty and the early estimate of impact on the U.K. economy. Markets hate uncertainty and volatility. The Sterling has strengthened massively since the removal of May/appointment of Johnson as it means a more definitive solution is likely coming soon, which may possibly be better than initially expected.
Corporates won't be better under Corbyn. 6pct increase to the corporate tax rate, and the inception of the IOF (which is effectively a corporate tax disguised as an employee dividend) will make some think twice about setting up shop in the U.K.. The U.K. already has a very effective corporate tax code, so you shouldn't be looking at the tax rate thinking companies are getting off Scot free versus other EU countries. And I haven't even gotten started on the nationalisation plans which will destroy investor confidence if a Corbyn government lowballs investors.
For reference; the GBPEUR conversion rate was 1,42 in November 2015. It dipped to 1,11 by October 2016. That is the impact of the referendum. Since then it has never been higher than 1,19 - which is when May called her 2017 election - and it is currently sitting at 1,17.
Under Johnson, No Deal will still be on the table, there won't be any certainty for a while.
Corbyn wont have the votes to do most of the more radical stuff he wants to do, if we end up in a hung parliament, they will be held back considerably by the LibDems and the SNP. Business will be better served under a minority Corbyn goverment that stays in the EU or worst case leaves the EU with a permanent CU than with a Tory government.
But a program of massive welfare reforms doesn't need £95Bn of spending committed nor does it require expensive nationalisation of many utilities. You can regulate industry rather than spend a lot of money bringing it back into the state.
The benefit of this is that you reduce the spending required and those who worry about economic stability should a recession hit during spending, would be less worried.
Much of the Labour manifesto or messaging of late has nothing to do with protecting the poor. Banning private schools does nothing. Free broadband does nothing. Public ownership of utilities does nothing.
If they focussed on pulling people out of poverty I think they'd do far far better. Just my own view.
massivekettle isn't making a great case for people suddenly become informed enough to vote when they turn 18
So based on this, you are telling me that a lot of private companies are operating on a "small to nil" profit margin because they care about our health? Or why would any private entity operate under those conditions?
At this point I am really not sure if you have an understanding of what is happening with the NHS.
Also: all your Corbyn stuff is... baseless. You have not provide a backing to your views, nada.
I strongly disagree that these things do nothing to help the poor. Private schools fuel inequality, internet access is an absolute necessity these days and is a total mess outside the big cities, and public ownership of utilities drives down bills. And all of these changes give wealthier people a reason to want higher standards across the board, since they can't just pay their way to the best stuff.
It's not enough to just pull people out of poverty. We have to rebuild society, which means everyone has to be invested in it.
BRB, setting up a private healthcare provider to make *checks notes* no money.
Boris' deal is not better than initally expected, it's widely considered to be worse than May's deal which is widely considered to be worse than soft Brexit which is widely considered to be worse than Remain. Boris' deal compares positively only to No Deal, and the uncertainty over No Deal is the only reason GBP fell as far as it did. Also GBP is still massively down on other world currencies due to Brexit. Even now when it has, as you say, increased from its lows, it is nowhere near what it was on June 22nd and even further down on where we would have been if Brexit was defeated on June 23rd.
Why quote my post if you're not going to address it? Misclick or cowardice?
Indeed, because Boris becoming leader made the markets fear No Deal was more likely. Then he bottled it and fucked the DUP to get a deal at which point GBP rose again.
Fast, free broadband can literally be the difference between whether a poor kid from a poor family who cant afford monthly internet Bill's or who's area just doesmt have the infrastructure for good internet can revise for homework/exams.
I found out for myself many, many years ago when my friends who didnt have as easy access to the internet as I did (before it became such a huge part of our lives) that being able to.just go through my math book and research topics I didnt understand well before my GCSEs made a massive difference.
Also, one of my kids goes to a school where almost literally all homework is assigned, submitted and marked on some kind of online portal, which is accessible to me so I can check if they are keeping up to date with their homework.
Areas with ancient copper phone infrastructure or people who have to decide between internet or less food to eat having access to the same fast internet that people like me enjoy and without needing to pay for it will have a massive effect of a lot of people.
Is it me or is that Jacobsz dude from QT sitting in the audience?
I'd just like to add that as more job centres are being closed down the DWP and government in general want things to be self service over the internet.
If you have crap internet it's going to be hard to claim benefits and from a small business point of view some taxes can only be filed online (VAT being the big one) so you have to pay for internet which adds to your overheads.
I saw a journo on Twitter who said when he got off the train a women said he looked "as big of an arsehole in person as on TV"lol
Nationalising broadband doesn't get round the infrastructure issues.
Make it free for those who can't afford it. Use government voucher scheme. But don't waste billions privatising it putting thousands out of jobs. It's a complete waste of resources
Yeah he feels like the sort of person that would get elected in this day and age. Perfect funny idiot, Trump 2.0, that lies with every other word. We're fucked.
The manifesto pledge is fast, free broadband, meaning infrastructure upgrades are also part of it.
And it is utterly meaningless. The reason some areas are slower on the upgrade path isn't fixed by nationalisation. There are severe infrastructure issues. Problems are not only cost but also logistical. You don't flick a switch and fix the problem.
And if the reason some areas are "slower on the upgrade path" is because they don't provide as lucrative profits? Or because it's been woefully mismanaged by private companies?
But neither of those are the reason. If you just fixed everything by nationalising it then it's great. But the problems in rural Devon for example aren't fixed just cos it's state owned. The cost is still enormous. And not budgeted for I hasten to add.
How dare Scotch Eggs be put in Low Tier, they belong in at least Mid Tier.
Toad in the Hole should be in Top Tier as well, if not God Tier.
He's a known Tory activist with several QT appearances, so probably.
Wait, so when in the leaders question time JC mentioned that he intends for places with poor internet infrastructure to have their infrastructure upgraded, you're assuming he thinks that just "flicking a switch" will make that happen?
Or are you assuming that everyone thinks that Corbyn winning on election day will automatically give everyone free broadband on day one?
Who do you know who thinks free broadband will improve the infrastructure?
Why do you assume that a pledge to provide fast broadband to 95% of the country doesnt include any kind of infrastructure improvement, given that he acknowledges as a matter of fact that large swathes of the country dont have access to fast broadband?
I haven't heard about believing in any switches flicking and fixing the issue from anyone but you.
This is such a weird post. Nationalisation is step 1 on a very long path.
It's like, if you bought a car to fix it up, it isn't fixed up the moment you take ownership. What are you even thinking?
Wow I missed a bunch of bad takes. Labour was never a left wing party is a wild one
As someone who went to private school, they absolutely shouldn't exist and the idea that anyone here thinks that a system where only the rich get the best schooling is fine is baffling
And yes, the private companies have done such a good job expanding broadband coverage, which need I remind you, is an essential utility for life in 2019, let alone for equality of access. Let's just give the poor and disconnected vouchers for private services, I'm sure they'll enjoy either still not being connected or getting high quality access with no catches
As someone who went to private school, they absolutely shouldn't exist and the idea that anyone here thinks that a system where only the rich get the best schooling is fine is baffling
And yes, the private companies have done such a good job expanding broadband coverage, which need I remind you, is an essential utility for life in 2019, let alone for equality of access. Let's just give the poor and disconnected vouchers for private services, I'm sure they'll enjoy either still not being connected or getting high quality access with no catches
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